June 2, 2026 Council Sustainability Committee

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[00:00:00] Member Pat Showalter: That's great. So let's have a call to order. This meeting is being conducted with a virtual component. Anyone wishing to address the council sustainability committee virtually, may join the meeting on Zoom, using the link or phone number and webinar ID shown on the screen. When the when I announce the item on which you wish to speak, click on the raised hand feature and zoom or dial star 9 on your phone. When I call your name to provide public comment, if you are participating via phone, please press star 6 and unmute yourself. And then for people in attendance, please fill out a speaker card, which you can find on the sign in table to the left of the door. And um, So, I am one. Do we have any speaker parts? Uh, mo call. Oh. You fill out the speaker. Oh, everything's here. Um, share show, Walter. Yeah, member Clark, number hicks. Great. All right. And then we have item 3 which is approved the the minutes. Does anyone have any comments or questions about the meeting that? Okay, now. Uh. Thanks. Thank you. If, um, Would anyone like to move? Emotion to a few minutes?? Yeah. Yeah, I think we need to have public. Okay. Is there any, would you like to make public comment on the minutes? No, okay. Anybody online? Okay, so we can go ahead with the vote. All those in favor of approving the minutes? All right, I. Okay, that passes unanimously. Now we've come to, I'm a killer, all of me patients. Um, item 4 is all communications from the public. This portion of immunity is reserved for people wishing to address the committee on any matter not on the agenda. Speakers are allowed to speak for on any topic for up to 3 minutes during this section. State law prohibits the CSC from acting on non-agendized items. Would any member of the public like to provide comment on an item that is not on the agenda? Yes,

[00:02:28] Public Speaker: welcome. Thank you. I'm going to speak about a lot of different numbers, and so I thought it'd be kind to put them on a piece of paper so you could see them as I was talking about. So, uh, the last city council meeting, I commented on what I felt was a need for a funding source to do wonderful things for sustainability. And just in the last couple of days. I've come up with, so it is to say that the user utility tax, which has risen so rapidly the last few years, represents a windfall. Money that people have paid in order to get electricity and gas in their homes and businesses have done the same. The city has taken a 3% tax on all of that money. And as the price of gas and electricity have risen, the tax revenues have risen. In the past, $4800000 a year for natural gas and electricity was the city's take. And it went to the general fund. That's all that money is still going to the general fund, and what I'm proposing is that the city take only 4.800000 for the general fund and return the rest via incentives, other programs, to people who electrify their vehicles or their homes. The simple one pager that I handed out gives you the data about how much has been collected. The data about how much the price of electricity and natural gas have risen. And it gives you the data about how far you could go with $280000 a year for incentives. If the incentive amount were $2000, you could do 1414 incentives. That's one incentive for 4% of the households every year. over 20 years, that would be one incentive for 80% of the households. This is a significant amount of money. And so, although this is not on the agenda, and it's not in the current sustainability 5 year plan, I hope it will become part of the plan and of the budget for the coming fiscal year. very much. Okay.

[00:04:34] Member Pat Showalter: Is there anybody online? Yeah, okay. All right. Oh, I know. Well, now close the oral communications item and move to the discussion action items. And we have number 5 new business. And 51 is the decormonization goal analysis. This item will be presented by sustainability and resilience, decision staff, misleads, makes a number, be predicted.

[00:05:03] Unknown Speaker: Thank you, Chair Shelter. I'm pleased to be joined this evening by Miss Lucky, program manager within the Sustainability and Miss Lancy Division, as well as our colleagues from Cascadia Consulting Online. They're available to answer any questions. At the end of our presentation. Uh, this evening, we're here to be presenting the results of our decarbonization goal analysis. This is the work that basically underscored the development of the draft list of, um, actions to be included in our five-year deprivatization plan, um, as well as helped us to answer the question of whether or not, Staff would recommend accelerating the city's currently adopted 2045 decarbonization goal. Uh, by way of brief background, um, Council, directed, uh, well, I guess, yes, council directed, staff to, uh, answer this question. Could we accelerate our decarbonization goal? And what would, um, it take to achieve that? So part of that process involved understanding the impact of federal, state, um, and local actions, on emissions projections, and then understanding what the, uh, kind of balance, if you will, of emissions left to the local level would be. For various decarbonization years. Um. Next slide. Um, a little bit more detail. We've been in discussion about this decarbonization goal analysis for some time. Um, Our 1st discussion after the contract with Cascadia was approved, was in June where we were started to look at the assumptions and some of the local actions that staff were proposing for modeling. So, We couldn't model everything. We wanted to winnow down to a list of approximately 10 local measures that we thought would have the highest potential for emissions reductions. We also talked about some of the assumptions that were included in our 1st take on how to proceed with the analysis. Uh, CSC ask that we reconsider our growth assumptions and ask for some additional analysis to be undertaken. In November, we return to the committee. We reviewed the updated forecast based on the feedback from CSC, and we, um, sought per approval, which was given from this committee to, um, complete our list of local actions for modeling. In December, We looked at the final list of local actions and also started to look at the draft of what would be in the 5 year decarbonization plan based on this analysis. And then in April, we looked at the final version of the draft list of 5 year, um, decarbonization action plans, actions. Um, prior to the council study session, which occurred last Tuesday. And now I'd like to hand it over to Ms. Lucky. She's going to tell us a little bit more about the analysis and its results. And famously. slide illustrates the 3 admissions scenarios that were evaluated. With the 1st being the business as usual. So this shows without any climate policy or interventions through the market that our emissions would grow in mountain view by 13% by 2045, and that's largely due to population and employment growth, which we updated based on feedback from the CSC. And then the next scenario, we looked at the adjusted business as usual. So this includes existing regional and state policies. As you know, we did look at some of the federal policies, but then they were. rescinded or removed or delayed, um, and so what we were left with from our business as usual, they 59%, um, reduction in emissions as a result of state and regional action. So that is really great news, that there is still, um, movement in this area from what we found in the analysis. And then the 3rd scenario with the local action scenario. We were able to look at um, about 9 local measures to see what their impacts would be on emissions by 2045. And as we revealed late 2025, they um, were very small. We modeled. We showed an analysis of 5 modeled actions and an additional 4 is being shown tonight as the total. Um, and we're still at about 7% below the business as usual with local action. So in total, with the ABAU and the local action, we're able to reduce emission 66% shown right now, um, and that still leaves a significant gap to achieve by 2045. Next slide. So it's driving the emission reduction. What we observe from the analysis is that a lot of the emission reductions are coming from regional and state, um, regional, state, and market transformation, just not necessarily inside the city's control. And these are leading to substantial reductions. So the top, um, 4 that are modeled were the EV market trends. And this did include the incentive. So when we were looking at the EV market transit, it was basically the sales trends that we've been seeing over the last few years in Santa Clara County, which has been about 41%. And thinking that that is going to continue. That was modeled when the IRA direct pay incentives for EVs were available. So things could change. As we know and stated in the council meeting, fuel prices are also driving people into, no pun intended into EVs. Um, So that's still a positive signal. And then we've got the Bay Area area district rules, which would prohibit the sale and installation of gas appliances, meaning natural gas water heaters. And, um, natural gas furnaces for space heating, starting in 2027 for water heaters, and later on for space heating. And so that's another significant reduction of over 100,000 metric tons. So it's quite significant. We also have the state's SB 100 renewable energy portfolio standard. That's another 50,000 and our low carbon fuel standard, that is a state standard. So, with these top 4 and some additional state policies, We are at 59% reduction from our business as usual scenario. Next slide. Building electrification remains one of the most important decarbation strategies, identified in the analysis, and because of the Bay Area Air District rules, um, that are proposed. We anticipate to see emissions reductions as a result of that and it's going to very much accelerate emission reductions for Mountain View. Leading to a 92% reduction in building emissions by 2045. The next slide. When we looked at the modeling for, um, local building actions, what we were seeing is that you wouldn't get quite as large of an emission reduction as the Bay Area error district. However, The local actions can help accelerate emissions reduction so we can meet our 2045 goal. Uh, it can help make sure the implementation is successful. We looked at reach codes, electrification, outreach, and education, through programs like the year of the water heater campaign, incentive programs like the city's current rebate for $2000 for a water heater to replace your gas with the electric heat pump and permitting assistance. We also looked at additional actions like time of sale. Those did result in fewer emission reduction potentials. And so what we're viewing that as, um, kind of a contingency planning, but also kind of being mindful of, you know, which of these actions will give us the largest emission reductions with, um, that is most feasible, maybe has less complex administrative, um, work around it. But it still is an option. But the key takeaway that the local actions are they complement regional efforts and reduce emissions, um, and reducing emissions that are high priority. Next slide. This slide is intended to demonstrate kind of what happens if things change. So what we're potentially seeing, if the Bay Area Air district delays, weekends, or rescends the appliance rules that I just covered about gas furnaces and, um, gas water heaters, you know, with the air district rules, we don't see a lot of reductions with the reach codes because it kind of supersedes it after a while. Like you see the reductions with the reach code and then it kind of fades away because the Bay Area or district rules really take over. But without um, the air district regulations. Reach code's really become a, a substantial, emission reduction, local action where you can see 30,000 tons reduced. Um, it still doesn't quite get to the 107, a 1000 ton initial reduction that the Bay Area air district rules would get to. It covers about 29% of what the Bay Area, um, district air district rules would have covered. So transportation emissions, they still remain pretty large, both now and in the future is what our analysis found. And it'll represent about 63% of our core emissions in 2045. And this is, again, where you've seen continued use of gasoline, commute patterns, you know, we're not certain about the EV adoption rates, given the changes we've seen. Um, and the potential reduction of incentives and regulations. So it does remain the greatest opportunity for local action. And, again, providing, um, whether it's like enabling infrastructure or other pathways to, you know, get people into EBs that make it more convenient and easy. Slide. One of the, um, Greater insights from the analysis was when looking at all of the transportation, local actions. Expanding EB charging showed the greatest emission reductions compared to other actions like EB outreach and education is at 4000 metric tons of reductions versus expanding multifamily EB charging at 22,000. So that was a pretty strong indicator of spending, um, some time and effort in trying to understand how charging and connecting people to charging can help get them into EVs and help them stay in EVs as well. Next line. So the overall conclusions drawn from the analysis was to maintain our carbon neutrality goal. So you still have a significant gap that we're going to have to keep revisiting every 5 years and figure out how we can, um, close that gap further and further and reevaluate what's going on in the market, what's going on in our broader policy context. And focus on our 5 year planning horizon. And adapt to our changing fallacy landscape. So our next step is that staff will return with a final 5 year conversation plan. Um, do the CSC and the city council, I'm just here. So thank you so much. Appreciated your guidance and collaboration throughout the CSC meetings and working toward finalizing this analysis. We're here to answer any questions as as Ms. Lee mentioned, Cascadia. I'm a team that helped develop this model is, I'm on standby on Zoom to help us answer any questions that you may have. Thank you.

[00:17:39] Unknown Speaker: I guess I'll ask a question. I, um, I never know some of these things I never know whether they're statements or questions that are about. It seems to me that one of the big things with putting together this, the 5 year plan is, uh, Can you offer incentives for financing? And One of the reasons I'm thinking, there are many reasons I'm thinking about that. But one of them, the example would be, uh, what council member McAllister brought up at the last, uh, council meeting on this subject, which I thought was super important. He was saying that we can't make people buy electric cars and electrify their buildings because it's too expensive. But when you look into it, it costs a bit to set up, but over time it actually, from all the reading I've been doing cost class. Um. So that to me says financing. That's what you do when, you know, you want a job that makes more money, but you need to go to college first. You don't say, well, come. Well, you might say college is too expensive, so I just want to do it, but typically, or you want to buy a house, but you don't have all the cash to put down you. Typically in that sort of case, and those are much smaller cases than houses in college. You finance. So is there talk about financing? In a big way because I'm not hearing very much in the staff reports about that or maybe I've gossed over it. So tell me.

[00:19:18] Ms. Lee: Thank

[00:19:18] Unknown Speaker: you for the question. Um, We deliberately did not answer a good question around how will we pay for all of this work. This initial analysis was really like where are the admission reduction potentials? And same for the study session to counsel. The focus was not really the funding side of the implementation. It was just to, to have that part of the discussion. That being said, um, we have seen some movement in the financing space, and of course, there are incentives that are available, both through the city, through Silicon Valley claim energy, and then regional incentives and varying points, various points along the way, there are federal incentives as well. So, lots of stacking of incentives that have been available and continue to be available. In terms of financing, we've seen the most progress from the utilities. So ongoal financing is something that exists through PG&E, Silicon Valley, Clean Energy, also applied to be able to offer, um, on a pilot basis, uh, ongo financing for electrification measures. So, and then they collaborated with peninsula clean energy. Mountain View participated in the staff team that helped to issue an RFP for financing services. So, um, if not on bill financing, then could there be 3rd party financing alternatives that would be made available to SBCE and PCE customers. The results of that RFP. I don't think that they selected a provider, that, essentially, um, rates were not competitive enough. Um, But there is still the onbelt financing option. Which is a good fit for many, uh, customers. PG&A also offers a municipal, um, example of this as well, and we have had discussions with public works around. Whether we could take advantage of that for decorbonization efforts within the city as well.

[00:21:23] Unknown Speaker: Okay, that's all very interesting. I understand separating the how we'll fund it from the what we'll do. But in many ways, it seems like the questions are inseparable. Like you could do much more if you had financing, or many people who would say, like I've heard that people move on the average, maybe it's not true anyway, every 5 years. So if something is going to pay you back in 10 or 15 or 20 years, you're not nobody's going to do it. if they can't, or many people won't do it unless, so whether, In terms of a list of things that we should work on. There's a big difference, whether you can finance it or not.

[00:22:02] Ms. Lee: We, we do have, um, at a high level, one thing that was included in the original list of, uh, local actions that we would add to our 5 year plan, um, financing and funding, pursuing financing and funding opportunities. So it wasn't like a specific dollar amount that we would secure X number of dollars, but that we would investigate kind of in the similar vein as pursuing legislative opportunities through the creation of local government climate alliance. So that is included at the very high level to focus on that in the next 5 years.

[00:22:39] Unknown Speaker: So I'll save the rest of my things for, thank you.

[00:22:43] Unknown Speaker: Just really broadly. How everything fits together, so we had our, we had our sessions we had our study session. We'll provide feedback on this tonight. This will come back and we'll fall next to us and or the council.

[00:23:00] Ms. Lee: This is intended to, we wanted to present the full analysis. Um, we've used the results of this analysis and included feedback from the committee. We just wanted to come back with, here is the final work, you know, just we can show our work, if you will. Um, This doesn't require further action. What will come back to both CSC and the council is the actual 5 year decarbonization plan, which would be based on the work that is contained within this analysis.

[00:23:31] Unknown Speaker: Yeah. And then are there any other, like large items we're trying to tackle before the end of the year with respect to this committee score?

[00:23:41] Ms. Lee: The end of the fiscal year or the calendar? The end of the calendar. Um, in the fall, we will be bringing, um, a Florida discussion on municipal decarbonization, and, um, because sort of the tandem piece to accompany the community wide decarbonization approach, uh, we'll be diving deeper into the transportation emissions and EV charging. We had been talking about having a discussion around that as we launch the multifamily, um, BB charging incentive program. Those are the primary things and then preparing to bring this 5 year plan to counsel before the end of the year. I

[00:24:20] Member Pat Showalter: just wanted to make sure I had all the pieces.

[00:24:21] Ms. Lee: Yes. It's possible that we will have discussion about the zoning incentives related to decarbonization. Um, although we don't know, um, if going straight to council, based on timelines, really, for when the codes need to be adopted, whether it goes through EPC and then to council or GPC, CSC council. It will be vetted.

[00:24:51] Member Pat Showalter: Well, I have a couple. 1st of all, I just want to confirm this. I mean, we've been talking about it a long time. And, um, uh, 1st of all, one of the things that, um, We we talked about is how important getting EV chargers is at multifamily housing. Now, my understanding is the reason for that is because we've actually been very successful at getting it in single family health. So we don't need to work on that anymore in a sense. And there are some existing incentives. But multifamily housing. Is a barrier, and in addition to that, a tremendous amount of our population lives in it, and we expect that percentage to be maintained or increase. So it's both the barrier and the big percentage that it is for us. So if we lived in a community that, you know, when we had 200 people living in apartments, it wouldn't be necessarily. Right. Okay. So I just wanted to confirm that those are, you know, there isn't any other secret reason. That, um, uh, we

[00:26:00] Ms. Lee: should be aware of. I think the access the level of access to EV charging is lower at home family. So less access and the fact that it represents a significant proportion of our housing system.

[00:26:12] Member Pat Showalter: Yeah, it's huge. And also just the controls. I mean, the controls of, of the people who live there, the split incentive is, is really, you know, difficult, whereas in a single family home, you know, typically the owner, Um, even if the owner doesn't, even if it's a rental, the rent, the renter probably, you know, directly, with. Whereas that's not the case for an apartment. They, they, you know, the, the owner for being 5 rolls or something from what I, you know, okay, all right. Um, And uh, Then the other thing I wanted to say is that, um, I'm really pleased to see the numbers here. It seems like there weren't that many numbers in the report. And, um, uh, and did we get the presentation to us electronically?

[00:27:15] Ms. Lee: Um, the attachment had the numbers. We did not send the PowerPoint in advance.

[00:27:21] Member Pat Showalter: So can we get that after the the attachment was included? Was it included? It was. Okay, all right. I, for some reason, did not see that. Anyway, this is a great PowerPoint and I'm really pleased to see the numbers because I think for many of us, that just makes it so much easier to understand. And um, particularly to, uh, to talk to our residents about, you know, why we want to do this. Um, you know, like, why do you want to do a heat pump? Not just because you're going to save money, but, you know, talking about how it's, it's taking off, um, uh, uh, GHGs that a car would take off, for instance. I mean, I think people really, you know, people really care about the magnitude of all of that. So I'm going to see that.

[00:28:08] Ms. Lee: Okay. So, then let's go share if I, if I may, I wanted to just add that the, the model was built to be dynamic. I think we saw in the last year, how much our assumptions had to change because of everything kind of shifting beneath us. So for example, the model currently assumes full compliance with the air district rules, because all the air district has done has been sort of a straw poll. Um, discussion around modifying the requirements or increasing the number of exemptions. If they ultimately end up at 40% exemptions, we could adjust our model and say, well, what does 60% compliance look like instead of 100%. We haven't adjusted it yet because no formal action has been taken by the air district, but, um, same for EVs. If we see the trend shifting, we can adjust the projection, maybe adoption maintains, you know, stays high or increases or decreases if gas prices decline. Um, absent incentives so we can make adjustments and report back to the committee, um, and shift, which, which actions are pursued within the five-year plan. That's

[00:29:19] Member Pat Showalter: good. That's always the kind of goal of a computer model is that you can put in different parameters, but normally that doesn't happen. I know, right? Now it's like weekly. We get to do that. All right. So I think with that, it's time to have public comment. And, um, we'll see, um, Mr. Farney would like to see. Anybody else like? Very welcome. Hello.

[00:29:45] Mr. Farney: So, 6 or 9 months ago, um, Miss Lee told me that the most of the remaining emissions in 2045 would come from vehicles, and I could not understand why that was. But now looking at page 5 table 3 and the goal analysis. I understand why. Because it says, this analysis assumes that the ED sales rate of 41% of new cars being EVs will remain constant over time. all the way up to 2045. I would not make that assumption. I suspect none of you would make that assumption either. It also says there is minimal research regarding heavy duty electric vehicle sales proportions. So the model estimates that this metric reaches 10% while 2050. So 0 to 10% in the next 25 years for heavy duty vehicles like the Kodiak and Tesla semi trucks and other heavy duty vehicles. So, when the assumptions, Deviate that far from what I think reality is doing. It's no wonder that you get to a conclusion that building emissions are the 2nd worst of our problems. I would maintain that building emissions are absolutely going to be the 1st worst of our problems in 2045 because so many different decisions have to be made by landlords who own buildings, tenants who occupy them, single family homeowners. Um, all those appliances that need to be replaced are a much heavier lift, than getting people to decide that EVs, which have so many advantages even today, are not going to be the dominant form of motor vehicles in the future, if we are all still personally using motor vehicles, and if we're all in Weymos and equivalents, they will certainly be elected in the future. Um, So, I would encourage you to take a much deeper dive personally, to the questions, to the assumptions that underlie this analysis, and the analysis that comes next. Um, to the extent that I hope you will ask for a specific list of the assumptions year by year. And, you know, the only reason that the uh, emissions cars go down is because at 41% a year, every year, it does drive out certain amount of the fossil fuel vehicles. But in reality, As we get faster and faster charging as we have electron stations replacing gas stations, I mean, there are already cars in China that can charge in 12 minutes. Um, and if you can charge in 12 minutes, why do you need a big battery that makes your car cost a lot of money? Why don't you use a 35, 30 or 35 kilowatt hour battery that's cheap so that the vehicles 1st cost when new is much less. And you can know you can fill it up at any electron station anyway. This, the just, It's not very forward. And in fact, the latest data in this page is from 5 quarters ago. This is the work that we paid for a long time ago. It's not been updated in any useful way. Do they online?

[00:32:54] Laura Anderson: Yes. I'm very detailed. Oh.

[00:32:56] Member Pat Showalter: Can I, of course, yeah, some more in, get your name. Oh, I have athleticod? Later. We'll get this. We can do it after. We just need it so that we get your name right in the minutes. Oh, okay. So go ahead and catch it. We're at Katie Patrick. Hi.

[00:33:16] Katie Patrick: Um, I wanted to uh, talk about the school district and um, some thoughts I had about how we can better collaborate with the school community. Um, I've got a daughter at Amy, am I? Um, and I've been hosting an earth club and teaching different, like earth classes and just really trying to understand how the school bureaucracy works, to try to, um, activate the parent community. And from what I can tell, there's about 4000 houses in the parent community, in the school district. So there's 11 schools, And they account for probably about 15% of the emissions or the population. And I've spoken to the school district. I went to their board meeting a couple of weeks ago and from what I've been able to gather from our own principal and our own sustainability lead, which seems to be even a volunteer position or maybe a couple of hours like tacked onto the side of their job. There's no consciousness about this, the impact of these 4000 homes. They're doing a lot of work on the campus specifically because they can control that directly. But I don't think we even have a name for like, what is this family community? I'm just calling it the family community because I don't even know if we have a name for it. But the school, the school community is very unique. I don't think there's anything like it, that we have such an ability to potentially mobilize all these families. I mean, most of us probably all have kids and we know how involved the parents are. So what I would like to see in some of these action plans is even like a line item for how we would, the marketing and the outreach and the incentives for how we would get out to these communities. And I don't think it can be done just through a single incentive or a top-down program. We need to have more of a meta structure. So that there is somebody in each school that's champion this, even if I do it as a volunteer, like I can't champion every single school and be in every school. I only have a child in one. Uh, and the sustainability manager whose job is to just maybe oversee like the recycling bin. They have like very minimal kind of impact in what they're doing. isn't enough to mobilize this, but to really think about, you know, do we have, Somebody at each school that's going to take the lead. But if you do want to say like, hey, we're going to do like a EV charger incentive programmer. We're going to have like heat pump wick in the school that they're going to be that person who's going to, um, champion that because we all know that teachers and everyone at schools are super busy. Even if you did incentivize it, it wouldn't get enough traction, unless there's somebody doing it, someone like me, or someone there that somehow formalized in the school, uh, system. So that's it for me. Thanks.

[00:36:01] Member Pat Showalter: Now, we have the very DTL, very video.

[00:36:05] Public Speaker: Hello? Hello? Um, but to the city's plan relies on the Bay Area Air District Rules 9496. Rule 96 was originally scheduled to start January of next year. The Bay Area Air District board is planning to revisit the decision in October of this year, I believe, at the most recent Bay Area Air District board meeting. Staff presented recommendations that included postponing the implementation of rule 96 by 9 months from January next year to October. And including exemption process that would resolve in, um, for low income situations and complicated slash costly installations, that they estimated would rule out about 38% of the cases. So at that meeting, um, the air district board gave feedback to staff's recommendations, of the, 18 board members who gave feedback, only of 10 supported staff's recommendations, and 8 board members did not support moving forward, but instead spoke in favor of some longer post indefinite postponement or wanted to make implementation voluntary. Six members, uh, did not provide feedback. Most, I think, were not there. All 4 Santa Clara County representatives voted in favor of staff's recommendations. I especially appreciated our vice mayor Clark's thoughtful comments about the importance of leaders taking action when it becomes clear that past decisions, such as building a natural gas infrastructure, need course correction. Um, in addition to the postponement and the exemptions and the sort of close situation on the board, there's also a risk that a lawsuit could delay the implementation. So my asks are, um, these, that staff update the goal analysis to reflect the 9 months delay, and the expected 38% exemption rate, um, please correct me if I've got that number wrong, but I thought it was 38%. That, um, initially, that staff start planning to implement, um, the, um, administrative updates. They talked about such as the reach codes that they mentioned in this proposal. Um, uh, and not just to rely on the reach code moving forward. Um, 3rd that staff try to estimate, um, how our Mountain View exemption rate is likely to compare to the expected 38% overall exemption rate, since we have such a high percentage of renters. And um, 4th that our city council members send a note of support and appreciation to the Santa Clara County, uh, Bay Area, air district representatives and ideally to, um, any, uh, And then, you know, uh, I guess ideally also to any bad members who voted against moving forward with rule 96 to, um, let them know that that we're in support of that. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else online? Yeah, okay. All right. So

[00:39:16] Member Pat Showalter: that can bring this back to council for, um, discussion. And um, Uh. This is. What kind of action is there for this? This is just random, information, information, that's right. Okay, so who would like to go first? Okay. So

[00:39:47] Unknown Speaker: I just wanted to say I really appreciated the report, um, and particularly the, the, um, graphic that showed the local versus the, the, non-local, you know, state and federal, uh, actions and what they contribute. I thought was, was really clear. Um, I guess the, the thing that I found, um, uh, the thing that I found, uh, one thing that I, the main thing I wanted to comment on was that, um, that were in such, kind of what you said that, uh, that, uh, this is, I'm glad to hear this model is built to be dynamic, because even, You know, even since it was put together, I see changes. Um, the big one that hit me. Let me see what I tried from the report was, um, EV market trends. Um, and it was about the availability of federal EV tax incentives. Um, You know, those going away. And, um, and that's, that of course is, is still true. But the change, the dramatic change in gas prices recently. Um, uh, really affects, you know, uh, makes it almost out of date, you know, since it was written. Um, You know, because a quick online search tells me that geopolitical vulnerabilities like the straight of hormones, hormones and depleted reserves and refining, capacity, restraints, et cetera. Um, as a result of them. There, there may be sustained historically elevated gas prices for the foreseeable future. So that changes some of the, what you would predict in terms of uh, EV adoption. Um, and who knows how long that would last. Also, EVs and and uh, plug-in hybrid EVs may become much cheaper to run. Uh, as well as I've read about some cities adopting, um, uh, actions to address or to incentivize microcars and neighborhood electric vehicles, along with other kinds of micro mobility, so not just scooters and so forth. Um, I guess there's one that's available, uh, called the wink for about $8000 that's a fully covered car. I'm looking into it for my children. So that's why I know about it. Um, so I just feel like we may be able. Maybe this relates to uh, what Mr. Kearney said, but we may be able to speed up EV adoption, and I'm glad to hear that the model is built to be dynamic, but I would like to particularly keep our eye on eyes on that particular realm of things because I think that's something that we may. Um, be able to speed up. Um. Let's see, uh, and I would like to integrate that with our TDM, actually, because I'm finding it a little too much stick and not enough carrot. I think that people particular as a person who has had young children around. I think only carrots making your life more difficult is not the route that should be going. I don't think we should make anybody's life more difficult, but particularly. A very difficult transportation schedules. Um, So that's one thing I wanted to keep our eyes on. I also, as I hinted in my questions, I think that financing. And for that matter, incentives because for both buildings and cars, for many people, it's the initial price that puts them off. And I think they don't often don't know that down the road, like I said, I thought council member McAllister's statements were extremely important because I think that's what most people are thinking. It's just too expensive for me when it may actually save them. So, I want to make sure that we're taking actions that allow people to capture the money it will say. Um, I'm, I'm, uh, reading Bill McKibben's book, here comes the son, which is a good book to read while all these sort of negative things are going on, uh, nationally. Because it, it's all about the increasing cheapness of, um, things run by the sun. And I feel like we could capture more of that in our 5 years and be more positive around that. Um, see if I had anything else. Um. Yeah, so I'm particularly, uh, interested in seeing eventually anything about, uh, financing or incentives because there's the 2 ways to cut the initial startup cost for these things. And I think it's hard, as said, during the questions. hard even to make predictions about what adopt. will be if you don't know. You know, if we were going to give everybody very large incentives, the adoption numbers would be much, much higher or if we had on bill financing, that was really easy to do for everyone. So I guess that's another big thing I would like work on even regionally. Um, you know, there's no reason to hog it to ourselves. Um, and I liked the idea that, um, Mr. Kearney brought up in terms of, I don't know whether that, um, Whether the, um, the, uh, UUT, not only for us, but for, for, I mean, we must not be the only city experiencing that, there must be other cities in the region, and it'd be great if that would become, you know, a regular practice that everyone will have incentives. Um, And then, uh, and that, that also makes me think about what Mr. Kearney has brought up as well about the rising cost of gas. It seems like that's something that we could talk about regionally. Um, ways to work through that using financing and incentives to get as many people as possible off of. So I'm seeing all those work together as a package. Um, and I guess the last thing I'll say is that I guess I talked a little about political changes. The other thing that this doesn't can encompass, of course, is technical changes, which I think are, you know, are happening pretty rapidly. So I look forward to our discussion on EV charging in, um, in rental units and I think that's really important. But if there's very fast charging, it may be something we end up. Not wanting to do, it's very fast charging to flies all over the most. So, I guess my, I come back to what I said in the beginning that, um, I'm glad the model's built to be dynamic because I think that's very. Um,

[00:47:26] Unknown Speaker: sure, if I may just add a comment and response to, um, your observations. One of the things that, um, I could have, I could emphasize about the model is that it underscores a portion of what we plan to include in the 5 year decognization plan, but not all of it. We recognize that there are very important actions that we should pursue, that we maybe can't model strategic emissions reductions for, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't do that. So things like financing or regional solutions to incentives. Um, in some cases, even short-term trends that we're seeing, like gas prices. Maybe we can put that on a 20 year model, but we can track that and pursue that in discussion and look for opportunity within that. So, the model isn't meant to be, um, fully comprehensive. We will certainly, work on things that are not. It's just meant as one of the tools in identifying local actions.

[00:48:23] Unknown Speaker: Okay good to know. Oh, I had a couple other comments, I see. Now, one is that in terms of schools, I, I like, uh, what the, the speaker said. I know that when I had kids in elementary school, I mean, she's kind of right your whole world as elementary school, those are the people, those are all your friends. Um, uh, and no one else wants to talk to you because for kids. And so I don't know if there's a way of, so I think it is a good way to get outreach in education to families who basically don't go any ground. Um, And maybe linking it with cool block in some way, having a school block. I don't know, something along those lines or some way of doing, going, like the neighborhood, the council neighborhood committee meetings, maybe going to school meetings. I don't know, something along those lines, I think she has a point. Um,

[00:49:17] Unknown Speaker: we, we do participate in school events when we're invited this year. We hosted the city's Earth Day event and also went to one of the local schools or the events, and we had temporary, he pumped water heater tattoos, temporary tattoos for

[00:49:32] Member Pat Showalter: children and stickers,

[00:49:34] Unknown Speaker: and I think we had even, um, stuffed animals. Oh no, coloring books, um, related to our heat pump water heater program. Um, I know that I made my parents have a recyclers as a school child because that was what was the thing in the 90s. So, certainly there's great power, and, children, compelling their parents to do things. So, I mean, certainly. Um, oh,

[00:50:05] Unknown Speaker: and I do think it would be good to send a note of appreciation for the, um, Or, or support as, uh, The studio suggested. Thank

[00:50:18] Unknown Speaker: you. We can work with Ms. Gilmore. The city did send a letter of support to the air district, um, at the initial, at the outset, on, on session, it's related to implementation. But

[00:50:35] Member Pat Showalter: if it's not going to come up again until October. Maybe we'll look at the letters. We can resend and that'll be at the bottom of that. Yeah. So having it closer to the top, but at least would help.

[00:50:52] Unknown Speaker: You don't have to send me an individual. Thank you. I've got enough of both sides of that and a lot of profane emails, unfortunately. Um, but, uh, Yeah, I think with respect to the air to tricks, as was noted, um, you know, we had some, uh, not everyone was president, we don't necessarily know where everyone stands, but, um, we had enough to kind of move forward with the frameworks that need to be work through. on the exemptions pieces and all those things. So, um, hopefully the coalition holds together, we will see. Um, The, I think with respect to the law. I mean, I look at this from a really high level. I think the time. Money and investment that we're putting in this model is. Hopefully, it serves as a, a baseline or a framework that we can update over time, as you mentioned, dynamic, so that, you know, if, if EV adoption rates don't match our assumptions, we can adjust those if new technology changes and, um, you know. Individual EV chargers no longer make sense for whatever reason. Uh, or, or the, the macro political or economic part of the dangerous. As long as we can adapt fairly quickly, um, and update things, I think that's the most important piece as opposed to what is, what is on paper today, um, because it, it will change naturally. Um, hopefully in a year or two. Uh, But, yeah, I think from my perspective, I just want to make sure we have a good baseline and a good model that's adapted all over time, so we don't have to go through this whole process every few years. Whoever's, uh, this committee appears from that will have a basically to work problem. Well, um, I

[00:53:01] Member Pat Showalter: do appreciate the report and analysis that was done. And in particular, I kept finding myself going back to that, um, that multicolored chart, the, um, you know, the big triangle made up of all those different pieces and thinking about, um, you know, how it would be different if, if the, um, the components of that changed. And, um, uh, I think you could really give like an hour long talk, usually, about what, what is that? What does that graphically say? And, um, and maybe we should have an hour anyway. But, but I, um, Uh, I really appreciated that and and the numbers. Um, That were shared tonight. Because in particular, I think that people want to understand the magnitude of what? You know, what's, What's happened or not? And so I think, um, communicating that, and finding various ways to communicate that is really important, and it will change over time, like you say. But, um, the other thing I think is really important is just keeping account. You know, of, um, like, we have a reach code that we could, um, You know, we've adopted and we can look and see how many people, um, put in electric appliances in their, um, homes for the last year or so when they didn't have to. They could have just wired for it, or how many didn't. You know, and and and uh, sort of adjust accordingly. So I think that kind of keeping tabs on, uh, what, how things really function is, um, is very important for moving forward. Um. And uh, I also like the financing piece. I think that's important. I know that Silicon Valley Energy had a used EV car program. I have not heard about it in a few months, like 6 at least.

[00:55:06] Member Pat Showalter: So, I don't know if it's still existent, but that might, I understood from some people I talked to who used it that, you know, you could buy a used car from that for like $10,000 if you get anything, and uh, uh, there is quite a turnover, and these, because a lot of people buy them with leases. So, I think that's something to, um, you know, that, uh, maybe talk up. Um, I also wanted to mention the, um, Yes. I also wanted to mention the idea of working with the schools. Um, We, we do have a volunteer, uh, one of the council, Wolf plan items for this year is, is, is how we're, the city's going to use volunteers. And this is an instance where how could we use volunteers? I, um, I too was, you know, a soccer ball, uh, for a while. I'm very, very inversed in, um, immersed in the whole, uh, PTA, volunteering, et cetera, et cetera thing. It's true. Nobody else wants to talk to you because... That's a very, very good point. You get very close to those people that you do deal with that. Any database. But, um, there are typically, um, you know, there's a, there's a core group of people at every school who steps up to help. And they always want to know what they can help with. So I think that we, you know, we need to make it clear that this is something they could help with. And um, I would also say that the connection with PTAs, at least in the schools I was with, um, could be helpful. like going and speaking at a PTA meeting. I mean, you don't get half school there. You get maybe 30 parents, but those are 30 parents that are sort of the movers and shakers and, and if you can get things into their, uh, their packets that go home weekly, which, We haven't had much luck in doing with the city, but, you know, it's, Things are better with the school districts than they have been. So perhaps it's a possibility, but they do have weekly packets or emails that go out. I mean, when my kids were little, they were packaged, but sure now they're emails. Got a cortex. So, you know, those are opportunities to, um, to do outreach. And we have just wonderful, um, graphics and things that are already put together. I mean, right? You all have really done a wonderful job of that. So, so I think that's something that we can, you know, we can, we can just try and and, and use a little. We could try and use a little different avenue. And um, for that. So, um, I, uh, I'm looking forward to this and, um, I also think that, I just want to say, I, I really appreciate how, um, how resilient, the, um, the sustainability team has been. You know, you have really gone through um, a sea change. Um, a policy over the last year and a half . And um, uh, You could have just been completely stymied by it. But you did, you aren't. And you haven't been, and, um, I, uh, I just want every, you know, I just want to mention that, but that's been noticed. And that that's really appreciate it. So, do you have what

[00:58:40] Member Alison Hicks: you want? Yeah. And it's after that nice dramatic ending, I haven't been very not dramatic. Um, I just wanted to 2nd your your point about used DVs, if that's some, because I think, in addressing many people's, uh, ideas that EVs are too expensive. I think that that's, that it, leasing, used DVs. And I think in particular in this area, a lot of people are selling, especially their Teslas. Um, yeah, are, you know, a lot of people, the body bees several years ago were people who were at the sort of had the money and wanted to try it out and and turn them over very quick. So I think that that's a good thing to a good part of the outreach and education. So, I

[00:59:34] Member Pat Showalter: think that brings it to the end of item 5.one and we can move on to 52, which is the sustainability action plan. Uh, 4 progress September, and um, this item will be presented by sustainability and resilience, division staff, Miss Lee will commence the presentation. It can wait. Thank

[00:59:54] Ms. Lee: you, yeah, show Walter, we'll just bring up the presentation, but, um, I'll introduce the item and I'm joined by Ms. Anderson, who will be walking you through our updates. Um, Great. Thank you. We can go to the next slide. The sustainability action plan for where we'd like to just bring New York to speed as to where we are. Periodically, staff comes to this committee to give you a progress update. Um, The sustainability action plans that the city has adopted over the years were really shaped by the, uh, environmental sustainability task force. There were 2 of them. Um, that included many members of the community, um, leaders in sustainability, um, Council appointed, uh, task forces in 2008 and 2017. Um, Our most recent sustainability action plan was adopted in 2019, and it was significantly informed by the 2017 Task Forces work. Um, that SAP included 81 actions and 7 new staff positions. Um, and over time, the plan has been refined through discussions with this committee to focus on 57 high impact measures. Okay, and I will hand it over to Ms. Anderson to tell us where we are. Thank you, Miss Lee.

[01:01:16] Laura Anderson: Laura Anderson, sustainability analyst. So, um, sustainability action plan for, which I'll just refer to as SAP for now is narrowly complete, with 91% of actions either completed or ongoing. Many of these initiatives have moved beyond one time projects, and they're now embedded in ongoing city operations, programs, and decision making processes. So building electrification has accelerated through the adoption of reach codes, new policies, procedures for city facilities, and direct investments, and upgrading municipal buildings. Clean transportation efforts have also expanded significantly, including growth in EB charging infrastructure, development of a municipal, fleet electrification plan, and adoption of the vision 0 policy and action plan. Um, beyond infrastructure, this app has supported a wide range of community programs and incentives that bring climate action into daily life. Um, this includes rebates, like for EE bikes, keep up water heaters, as well as outreach and education campaigns, such as electrify map view, the air of the water heater. Cool block and other efforts focused on flat-based eating and heat resilience. Implementation of the plant has also helped the city leverage substantial external funding. Um, we've secured more than 30000000 in grants to accelerate these actions. The key example of this is the measure B application, so the sustainably action plan funds actually paid to help support that application creation, and then, um, They result, it resulted in $27000000 for pedestrian and bike improvements. Um, and that's, and then there are other grants we've gotten as well where we've been able to use SIP funds as match funding. Um, so finally, um, SAP has um, strengthened partnerships, innovation, and accountability systems. So, um, We've been able to collaborate with organizations like SVCE, Google and Canopy, um, and um, that has enabled us to have pilot projects and um, test out and do technologies. We've also been able to improve our greenhouse gas inventories and reporting tools, like our CDP questionnaire, um, which was formerly the carbon disclosure project. Uh, and these are just some of the highlights, um, you'll see an attachment one to the council report that there's a full, you know, action by action list.

[01:03:51] Member Pat Showalter: slide, please. Um,

[01:03:55] Laura Anderson: so due to the large scope of the plan, implementation of a small number of actions remains underway. The urban forest plan has been reviewed by both the parks and recreation commission and city council. With council adoption, anticipated in June 2026. So this month. The draft, um, climate vulnerability assessment is being refined after the feedback we received from, um, from CSC last December. And um, the city's community and municipal decarbonization efforts are also advancing. As, um, Miss Lee and Miss Lucky just discussed in the last item, um, the 5 year plan is in development with council consideration, anticipated by the end of the year. And at the same time, the phase one of municipal carbonization, decarbonization is actively being implemented, um, which includes electrification of city facilities, um, solar installations, fleet and equipment, um, transitions and supporting infrastructure upgrades. Um, there are also 2 transportation initiatives that remain underway. Um, the city's e-scooter pilot is expected to launch and fall of 2026. And um, the last one is the transportation demand management ordinance, which technically actually on, this was written before. It was just recently adopted, um, Uh, I think just a week or so ago, right? Yeah. So, um, that will apply to, um, qualifying new development project, city wide. So, overall, most remaining actions are expected to be substantially complete by the end of the year. And from then, we'll move forward to the 5 year plan. So move to the next slide, please. So the Sustainability Fund, um, which is the capital improvement project that was created with adoption of, um, SAP in 2019. It currently has a balance of about $3.86 million. Um, about 1900000 is allocated to current programs, projects and staff. But there's roughly 2000000 available for year-term high impact decarbonization investments. So this available funding reflects accommodation of previously unallocated funds and spunt balances from completed projects and funds reallocated from projects that secured other funding sources. Slide up. Staff is proposing targeted investments that focus on your term decorbonization. So this includes 500,000 to expand the heat pump water heater rebates. This is helping residents prepare for the upcoming air district 0 Knox appliance standards. That will, you know, hopefully begin at 2027. Um, another 500,000 to um, expand the EV charging rebates for existing multifamily housing. So this would build on the initial, um, grant funded launch that were, um, getting ready to, um, launch the summer. Um, another 200,000 would support continuation of the Mountain View community shuttle. And 300,000 for EV charging obstruction for city fleet. So this is supporting the city's compliance with our greenhouse gas, free fleet and equipment policy. Um, lastly, um, we're proposing an additional 300 to 500,000 um, for solar and battery storage projects at key city facilities. So this includes city hall, the library, and the Ranksdorf Park Aquatic Center. It's primarily to support soft costs associated with the projects and it's not for the construction and design of it, but for unlike consultant services permitting and staff administration. Um, these projects um, participated to come. Do council um, for a review at a public hearing in September. So. So looking ahead, staff will continue implementing the small number of Zap actions that remain underway with full plan close out anticipated by July 2027. So as this app wraps up, any remaining program funds will be redirected towards implementing the high priority actions identified in the five-year plan. Helping insurer progress continues towards the city's climate goals. So, um, with that, I'm all, um, include my presentation and pass it back to Ms. Lee, but I'm happy to take into questions. I

[01:08:35] Ms. Lee: just wanted to add one clarification before we um, the questions. The 7 positions that were referenced, early in the presentation were spread across departments, in recognition that sustainability work, really happens across the city. So some were for our team, including my position, but others went into various departments across the city. There were just 2 within our team. Thank you on the slide for that if you wanted to show. Okay Okay. Well,

[01:09:13] Member Pat Showalter: thank you very much for your presentation, and 1st we'll have council questions. I think that depends on the fine, pretty clear. Same,

[01:09:26] Member Chris Clark: just one, the, the, um, The actions that are still in progress, that are, I had to be completed by the end of, this whole year. Are any of those at risk? Of not being. I'm sure is there any questionary bikes or anything? Yeah.

[01:09:55] Ms. Lee: We coordinated this update across all of the departments involved, but we did not hear. No,

[01:10:01] Laura Anderson: there were no concerns. Shared by any departments, everything's just be on track. Okay. I

[01:10:08] Member Chris Clark: just didn't know of anything that was in the plan because the world has changed. 2019 a little bit, unfortunately.

[01:10:16] Ms. Lee: The most current update, the most recent change to the measures themselves within SAP was a little over a year ago. So it's not quite as dated as the 2019 original adoption.

[01:10:28] Member Chris Clark: I'm not update over time. I was just curious if anything. Anything was held over that we're worried.

[01:10:35] Member Pat Showalter: Well, my question is really about, you know, some of these things have been completed. Um, Were they all communicated in staff reports or, I mean, like, for instance, just even a 2nd one, which was, if it's ongoing, um, talking about monitoring a bike and trail use. Uh, seems like, my memory, we, maybe the transplant, I'm not a translator. Oh, um. We get, we get numbers on, uh, the Stevens Greek Trail reviews with the, uh, counselor done for the North Bay Shore. But I don't remember seeing any other uh, counts of our bicycle use around the, you know, around the city. Oh. And. Because that now we have to. You know, anyway, we, you know, some of these questions about how, how much are by food, uh, uh, and for instance, the, um, the e-bike. We, it looked like, you know, our success rate, our success criteria was, did we, did we, did we give the vouchers? We did give it that, and that's great. But do we have any after, um, uh, and we don't necessarily have to have it, I sure hope you have. Um, after uh, program, surveys about how much did they use those? Did they become a part of their personal transportation or are they, you know, sitting in the closet in there? Um, I

[01:12:12] Ms. Lee: don't know that we have the immediate answer to your 1st question regarding the bike counts that are citywide. Um, we can reach out to public works to inquire about that. Miss Anderson, I know we surveyed after the program.

[01:12:27] Laura Anderson: We did survey when the program completed the e-bike and we got results from, we asked people basically how often they were using. Did it replace card trips, that sort of thing. I don't have the result in front of me, but it was, you know, pretty promising numbers. Um, But, you know, we don't have further out. Might be worth reaching out to people.

[01:12:50] Member Pat Showalter: But it was enough for you to feel like we might want to do it again because yeah, so it's best. That's

[01:12:58] Ms. Lee: good. Is it fair to say that there was more reference to the e-bikes being more of a primary source of transportation than maybe the population average. So, because it was an income qualified program, there was higher utilization because people truly needed these. There were less for recreational purposes. for transportation needs. Well,

[01:13:21] Member Pat Showalter: even if they just replace trips, right? And that's what really counts as replacing trips. So I, I'm not. I wouldn't judge about, but people, It's just the replacing trips. Yes, yeah. And on that, depending on what your trips are for. Uh, I, I don't. But I, I'm just interested in, you know, we're putting a lot of money like you, you mentioned the, um, the, measure B. Um, uh, grant. That's, that's, you know, 1000000s of dollars, we put into bike, um, into bike infrastructure, and I hear people kind of gripe from time to time that they don't see people using the bike trails. And so I think it would be wonderful for us to kind of keep up with that. And, um, the only big exceptions to that are the Steams creek trail. And the Guadalupe Trail. People, um, seem very convinced that those are a great use of city funds and people use them a lot, et cetera, et cetera. So, that's just what I'm getting at is we, you know, we we want. We want the, um, You want the, the, the, the, the. to produce GHD productions, and we also want people to be able to perceive that they've made a difference. And that's kind of the, the, so anyway. No, I, those are basically my questions relating to the, uh, vitus and I, I really appreciate you getting all this information together. I'm sure it took a long time, but I hope that it's very valuable in terms of, you know, actually doing the job. Good.

[01:15:01] Ms. Ramberg: The other thing I would say, sorry, for the interruption is that it's actually been a critical way of building the collaboration across departments because these, these actions, as developed, you know, based in large part on the recommendations of the, the ESTF to really to address all parts of the city organization. And just the practice of monitoring and getting status updates and working with that cross-departmental team. I'd say much more that we had back at the point of adoption that we have that kind of collaboration. Yeah, that's

[01:15:43] Member Pat Showalter: good. Okay, so now we have public comment. In public comment on this? Okay, do we have any public comments on virtual? Very data. Yeah, married. All right. Good

[01:16:01] Mary Dadio: evening again, Mary Dadio. Um, I'm glad the city will continue to fund the city shuttle. Um, I look forward to hearing the results of the EV charger and centers, uh, incentives for multifamily properties. And I look forward to the completion of electrification of the city's final, 15% of the landscaping equipment. Um, I'll be glad not to smell the gas power leaf blowers anymore, uh, once once we get those out of here. Um. Item B 4 dot one tells us that the city completed uh, water heater upgrades at 18 facilities. Um, 30 of those were, um, at those 18 facilities, uh, 30 uh, units were replaced with heat pumps, but unfortunately, 5 were replaced with tankless, gas, water heaters. So, um, 5 of the, you know, 5 heaters were gas, 30 were electric. So that's 14% of the water heaters that stayed with natural gas. So I'm very confident, very confident the city is very motiv- electrify. And yet we were not 100% successful. So, um, I think this underscores the comments that Bruce Carney has made, um, earlier and in other uh, forums about the focus that needs to be maintained on electrifying buildings. Um, it also helps underscore the importance of committing to end of natural gas flow in Mountain View by 2045. So if we say, you know, if that's it, 2045 is it, um, it's gonna, I think, help provide just that little extra motivation, um, to make those tankless water heaters be heat pumps. Thank you.

[01:17:48] Member Pat Showalter: Okay. Thank you. Right. Um. So can I make a... Just get your name and um, get your call. Hey,

[01:18:03] Patrick: Patrick. I just wanted to mention this because it came up in the last school board meeting on the active transportation plan. Um, they were discussing it and in the, Uh, a recent city council meeting about data that there is a device called a tell RAM, spelled T E L R A A M. It's only been around for a couple of years. It's sort of a recent invention. That's why people might not have heard of it. They're only about $200 and they're a little device and they can be stuck outside, uh, and Wi-Fi or data connected and they will count all of the different, um, Modalities of the people coming fights, it will count the cars in real time, the bikes, uh, the walkers and they're quite low cost and they could potentially be purchased easily and stuck in some, um, you know, uh, key places. Then you can get that data in real time and then feed it to the website, grab, whatever you want to see, get a text message about it every day. Um, and, uh, yeah, I just thought everyone should know, um, I think this problem of the data can be very easily solved. Thanks. Thank you. Alright. Okay,

[01:19:09] Member Pat Showalter: so.

[01:19:17] Unknown Speaker: This item as well was an informational. I'd only just like to be here, the committee.

[01:19:23] Member Pat Showalter: Yeah. Well, then we get to quite a 5th and maybe didn't make that. Oh, we didn't make our comments. Of course we didn't make our company.

[01:19:32] Unknown Speaker: I only, and it's only responding to what you said about, um, I wasn't going to make any, but I actually think what you said about in your question about counting, um, by playing use and other things. I actually think that's important for some additional reasons. I think it's good to look at, um, not only positive results, so you can tell people that the money we're spending is being spent in good ways, but also, um, you know, maybe there's some places and some particular kinds of bike lanes, for example, that are highly used in some that are not. It's kind of been an indicator of what we should be doing in the future. So, for example, I prefer biking on uh, like boulevards and neighborhood streets. That's one of the comments I see. People making about the kinds of, um, bike lanes we're doing now in El Camino and California that they would also like effort to be put into neighborhood streets. So, that's not so much a comment about that people are making, putting itself, about whether to do bike lanes or not. But what type works out for people better? And so I think, I think that may be true with a lot of other things too. You know, should we fund more electric scooters or neighborhood electric vehicles or e-bikes? You know, I think we can, um, Get not just uh. how much are they used, but what kinds of things are, you know, what's giving us the biggest bang for. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's, piggyback on your comment, the, uh, the, This

[01:21:20] Unknown Speaker: is probably more a transportation, but we were CTC thing, but, um, you know, any place that has, this is gonna undercount because major intersections, but any intersection with a traffic camera. That is not storing data, but if it's a high resolution camera, um, now with a simple piece of software, that can tell us, um, bikes, it can even get into, is that an e-bike or not? It can do models of vehicles and give you a pretty good idea of whether it's a fully electric vehicle hybrid. You can do that with all the privacy protections in post because our traffic cameras today aren't capturing license plates, the ones controlling actual traffic movements. And so you can get a lot of really valuable data there for major intersections of roadways that have like ways. And then for some of the neighborhood streets and other things, I don't know if there are places at the right of way. You know, as long as you, uh, as long as everyone understands that none of the data is actually being stored, it's pure wages counts in spitting out. Um, you know, what type of vehicle was where on, what type of day? Then you get a pretty good idea and you can install those on trails too. There are a few cities that have done that. And I'm not sure that, that's the right answer for us now, but as we, as we, As we replace our, uh, our adaptive traffic control systems, like those having a higher sign-up resolution camera that, with enough software to not only control the traffic, but you keep us, basic counts about, uh, you know, how a road razor and and trails and other things are being used. Um, and I think there's sustainability. piece to that too, just like I would talk about that right now. It's one thing to look at vehicle registrations and those sorts of things. It's another actually look at how they're feeding.

[01:23:17] Member Pat Showalter: Okay, sorry about forgetting. I don't really. I'm underrupted. I don't really have anything. Thank you. And the other thing is, I do feel like, as we've said many times, you know, reporting things out is, you know, the process that gets to that is of itself very valuable. The interaction between farmers, very valuable, and um, so, you know, it's, it's an important part of the process. Um, to do that, and we're really glad to be the ones to hear it. Okay, so then that brings us to, um, item 6, committee staff, comments, questions, and committee report. I do have a request and see if anybody else has any comments or reports? No, no. Okay. Well, um, uh, as, all of you know, the last couple of years, we have, um, hosted a sea level rise needing for elected officials for Santa Clara County. And, um, at the last one, uh, we had kind of a, for a couple, related to the Brown Act, um, because that, that led to nobody but me being in from, from Mountain View being able to go, which was pretty ridiculous. So, um, We've been asked to, um, or I've been to, to continue this, um, custom and have another, um, sea level rise meeting this fall. And I would like to avoid the issue of um, the Brown act. And, um, a methodology to avoid that is to have a special meeting, have this meeting of the, um, elected officials of Santa Clara County, B, a special meeting of the council sustainability committee. That would mean that both of you could come if you wanted to, and other council members could come if they wanted to just listen. But anyway, it would get around the problem. So, um, due to the, uh, sort of, uh, issues with, um, scheduling this. We don't have a date scheduled, normally it's in October or November, and that's probably going to work out this year. Um, It would be good to have, uh, this group move to, um, uh, to have that special meeting. So that's my request, is that, that we move to have a special meeting of the, um, of the, uh, the council sustainability committee as this, and I see that, um, uh, Ms. Ramberg has a comment. Uh,

[01:26:03] Ms. Ramberg: yes, thank you so much for that idea and the sensitivity around how to enable better participation. And, um, as it's not an agendized item, I think it wouldn't be so much a formal motion and vote, but you could kind of have a a straw poll indication of interest for staff to come back at some point. Okay, and that would allow that to move forward with that.

[01:26:28] Member Pat Showalter: All right, so that's a bad idea. then we'll do that. So, um, when people think about that. I

[01:26:36] Unknown Speaker: think that's fine as long as logistically, I mean, if a special meeting, like, clearly we're not going to be able to come out. So as long as we can, as long as that's okay with whatever new rules just came into effect in January. Um, And then if it isn't noticed, meaning of any, you just have to pick a date where at least 2 of us come up. So we don't end up with... And it can't happen.

[01:26:59] Unknown Speaker: And then everyone can still gather and talk, but then

[01:27:03] Unknown Speaker: you're right back in square ones. That's a very good point. Make sure at least 2 of us.

[01:27:08] Member Pat Showalter: And, um, and, and, uh, the other thing that we sort of tossed around was the idea of making it a special city council meeting, but that would be, that would be trickier, that would mean we'd have to have 4 people thing. And I thought that, that, we thought that that was too high up bar to set. So, going forward with this special. I'm generally. Yeah. Okay. So, yes, with the straw hole, you'll, and, um, yeah, and, uh, we'll work on schedule here. We'll

[01:27:41] Unknown Speaker: just have to make sure everyone knows because, you know, like this committee meeting, if there were other council members here, they can come and listen, but they can't, um, participate. Yeah, well, they might be able to speak as a member of the public. It is a little dicey, but I'm sure it will all be fun, but just whatever, whatever verbage we need to add.

[01:28:03] Member Pat Showalter: So it can kind of be forward with that. And we'll work on it. We don't have a date yet and we work on a date and you're right. If you need to have at least 2 people on this community, you can attend and, um, hopefully 3 and hopefully all of us and, um, uh, That's a great problem. Thank you. Okay, so are there any other committee reports? No, all right. Okay. Well, with that, I'm going to adjourn this meeting at, um, 731. Thank you very to everyone. Good evening, John.

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