April 30, 2026 Council Sustainability Committee

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[00:00:00] Member Pat Showalter: So I, I'll call this, you need to order. This is the council for sustainability committee, please, um, HR 30, 2026, and it's a little late, so it's on a, um, some scheduling of other, uh, committee meetings, and I just want to express my thanks to the staff or anything that I work, it definitely is better for me. And, oh, I know you had to stay a little longer, but I appreciate it. Okay, so I called the order. This meeting has been conducted with a virtual component, anyone wishing to address the council sustainability committee, virtually, may join the meeting on Zoom using the link or phone number, and web ID shown on the screen. Um, uh, They are my dialings, 669-9100, 9128 and intern Leminar ID, 838-1846-6283. When the chair announces the item on which you wish to speak, click on the raised hand feature on Zoom or dial 9 on your phone. Star 9 on your phone. When the chair calls your name to provide public comment, If you are participating via phone, please press star 6 to unmute yourself. Um, for, for in-person attendees, uh, please fill out a speaker card when you can find, which you can find on the table right over there with the water. Um, the left of the door. So, Um, that's item number one. And, um, I wonder if there are any speaker parts to be turned in. Okay. All right, so, um, would you like to take all call? Certainly, at Cher show, Walter? Yeah, remember Clark? Remember, hey, here. Okay, item 3 is um, approved the minutes. Uh, we had a CSE meeting um, from December 1st and we have minutes from that to approve. Does anyone have any comments or questions about the meeting minutes? Okay, well, if not, then a, um, a, uh, motion is in order. Motion to accept. Okay. If

[00:02:14] Unknown Speaker: there's no public comment, I'll 2nd that. Okay,

[00:02:16] Member Pat Showalter: all right. Do we have any public comment on the minutes, you're right. We got we're supposed to talk on. Any couple comment on Zoom? Okay, good. So, yes, we'll take, take your um 2nd. thank you very much. And, um, uh, only favor, bye. All right, all right. Passage unanimously. The next part of this meeting is oral communications. Um, that is uh, from the public. This portion of the meeting is reserved to persons wishing to address the committee on any matter that is not on tonight's agenda. Bigger or allowed to speak on any topic for up to 3 minutes during this section. State law prohibits the CSD from acting on non-agendized items. Would any member of the public like to provide comment on an item that is not on tonight's agenda? Is Is there anybody on? Let me see. Hello, Mary. Do you want to comment on... Okay. There's a comment. Okay. So, um, please, uh, uh, tell us your name and and, can you hear me? Yeah. Oh,

[00:03:30] Sophia Yamada: hi, my name is Sophia Yamada, and I'm currently a student. I'm on a Vista High School. And I'm here to address the community education on how we can prevent plastic solution from the source before it ever reaches the creek, and I share a few amendments after sharing my story. A few weeks ago, I was along Calabasas Park near my neighborhood, and I noticed plastic bottles, food wrappers, and single use bags called in the weeds on the bank. And I've also seen the same thing collecting and drains along Stevens Lake Boulevard and the mountain view. And I feel like these plastic have nowhere except straight into a local waterways and eventually the San Francisco Bay. And this is not a distant problem because every piece of plastic that enters into our storm drain, goes untreated into the creeks, and then into the bay, and once it gets there, it does not just float on the surface, but it breaks down into microplassets so small. You cannot see them, and then they affect the fish and the water supply and into us eventually. And because the bay is so important for the ecosystem for 1000000s of people and 1000s of species, it depends on. Um, I feel like right now, the waste is falling into it every time it rains and we have a responsibility to do something and I'd like to suggest 3 things. in like our program that we could maybe implement, 1st like adding signs near storm during explaining where the actual water goes. So people understand the direct connection to the bay. And 2nd, to organize community creek cleanups and 3rd partner with local schools, so a student can bring this education to the home and to their families. I understand this is a difficult problem, but I think. You

[00:05:11] Member Pat Showalter: still have a minute to go. Keep talking. No? Oh, that's it. Thank you. Okay. Um, Thank you very much for your comment. And do we have any other comments? Okay. Um.

[00:05:36] Public Speaker: And at the end of the meeting, I can then comment about the response to that, or okay for me to make a report now?

[00:05:45] Member Pat Showalter: Yes, you may, yes.

[00:05:46] Public Speaker: Oh, okay. I would just like to share that, um. Uh, we do um. Uh, some organizations, stencil on your storm drains, a sign that says flows to bay. And um, they don't last forever. So that would be a great project for a high school group to work on. And um, another thing is that we have 2 really statewide cleanups every year, one in the fall and one in the spring. And, um, uh, I hope that you will take part in that, but but, um, they are, uh, in our area, it's usually overseen by valley water. If you look on their website, you'll find out about the cleanups, and if you would like to organize, uh, your community or a group to do an extra cleanup, they can help you to do that. So I just wanted to share that information with you. Okay.

[00:06:45] Member Pat Showalter: So. Um, now we have. Um. We close the, the oral communications, and move to number 5 new business. And we're here to uh, talk about a 5 year decarbonization plan and uh, approach and action. So staff, uh, Miss Lucky is going to, um, give us the presentation. Uh,

[00:07:13] Lucky: it's lucky and I will go, okay, on that apologies. Um, good evening, chair and community members. Thank you for time this evening. Um, Tonight we're presenting the proposed approach on priority actions for the city's 5 year decarbonization plan. This work builds on incorporate, builds on and incorporates on the, on the information from the sustainability action plan, recent analysis, major policy shifts that we've observed in the last year and a half . And extensive feedback both from this, this committee, um, public comments made over the, course of the last year as well as, um, feedback from partners, such as Silicon Valley cleaner energy and our colleagues in various departments across the city. Our goal is to present a focused and really actionable strategy that positions the city to make meaningful progress for its decarbonization. while allowing us the ability to continuously adapt to what we've seen as a rapidly changing life. So the purpose of tonight's discussion is really threefold. First, we'd love your feedback on the overall approach that we will be laying out this evening. Second, we'd like some confirmation of the proposed priority actions for the 5 year plan. And then finally, um, we'd like some feedback for the, um, in ahead of the May 26th city council study session on carbonization. Uh, just to review some of the prior direction that has fed into where we are uh, this evening. Um, What's before you tonight builds on, um, multiple sustainability action plans, um, as well as direction from the council, um, in approving, um, a scope of work with Cascadia consulting to develop to both analyze our carbon neutrality goal year. And to develop a 5 year decarbonization plan. Excellent. We've had a lot of accomplishments to date. We haven't only been focused on planning. I won't read all of these to you. They were also included in the memo, but I just wanted to underscore how much we've been trying to balance both thinking ahead and, um, implementing programs on the ground, um, throughout. Next slide. So over the last year, we've been in discussion with this committee, and with partners, um, You know, we, we, We started with this goal analysis, you know, when will, should we accelerate our carbon neutrality goal? And of course, the period under which we were undertaking this discussion was very volatile. You know, we, We saw a lot of changes at the federal level in a very short amount of time. So over the course of that discussion, um, You know, we were watching federal programs and policy shift, even changes at the state level, sometimes driven by federal action. Um, and and potential impacts at the regional level. Um, We saw that, Some of our biggest reductions really depend on an integration of or coordination of action at all of these different levels. Um, and we saw that local actions alone are not sufficient to get us to our decorbonization goals. However, they are essential. Um, They help us kind of build on policy success, show local implementation, working on the ground, fill gaps. So as certain policies were, um, folded, you know, then we would have a local response, like what is the way that we can try to fill some of those gaps. And then finally, um, local actions, help us violate solutions that can be scaled ultimately. Um. So local action will not get us there alone, but we also find that it's essential. That's fine. Um, we, we have spent a few meetings now talking about this shift. It felt like every meeting we came to. It was like we have a new update. So just to remind you of a few things, the EPA revoked California's authority to implement the Clean Cars Act. That was a significant driver of emissions reductions in our projections. Um, it led to, um, quite an increase of the residual emissions that would be dealt with at the local level. Uh, just the single act alone left our local level response to be 40% of the emissions as opposed to 7% when the clean cars act is modeled um, and expected to be in place. Excellent. So taking all of this context into consideration, uh, the direction that we got from CSC was to emphasize now, you know, what should we do now in the next 5 years because the farther out future is much less certain, you know, we've just seen so much shifting. Um, we also got direction to maintain our existing carbon neutrality goal. The city had already adopted a 2045 goal and staff did not recommend accelerating it given the context last year. Um, and then this creation of a 5 year plan, so that, you know, we, we maintain this long-term goal, but we really focus on what we should do next. What is the highest best use of our time, you know, for the next 5 years. Next slide. Um, And, you know, we can't bring to this committee a plan that shows a 25% reduction in our emissions over the next 5 years, getting us to 100% reduction in 20 years. Um, There have been significant changes at the federal level and also, it's been our experience that emissions reductions aren't linear. You know, some are, but we have these major achievements that will spike our reductions. So for example, COVID, not something that was an achievement, but it had a significant, um, and quick impact on emissions. Um, Things like the development of Silicon Valley clean energy and CCAs across the state. Just really rapidly shifting our electricity portfolio. That led to a rapid decline in emissions, all at once. So, um, What we're trying to do is keep a focus on this end goal, and recognize that we won't have a linear path to it. Uh, and really emphasize the short term. Okay, and um, with this, I'd like to hand it over to Miss Lucky. So this is really the context in which we're developing this 5 year plan and now she's going to walk you through some of the specifics that are included. Yeah.

[00:14:41] Unknown Speaker: So just looking at where our current emissions come from about 90% largely come from building emissions by the use of natural gas in building, primarily water heaters and spacing equipment. And then we've got 58%. I mean, from the use of vehicles, gasoline and diesel in our community. And, um, looking at this information. This is out of a good data point in addition to what we're already seeing in terms of, um, policies that are underway or where there are gaps, for example, like the Bay Area air district rules. So starting in 2027 in the Bay Area. Um, The air district's going to restrict the sale of gas fired water heaters, and then that's going to ramp up over the next few years to furnaces and then large commercial water heaters. And we see an opportunity for local action in this area to really complement and kind of drive the success that does really hinge on the ability for local government to make those broader policies of success through outreach, education, incentives, kind of filling in those gaps as well. So if we're building electric electrification, what we're seeing is that there's a lot of good news in this area. And the broader landscape, there's still a lot of positive um, actions going on in this area. I mentioned the Bay Area. Um, error district rules. And we also have California's clean energy regulations, so we can expect to see um, 0 emissions by 2045 in electricity, just because of the state regulations regarding, um, clean energy. And as I mentioned, it does really depend on local action as well and ensuring that these policies can be implemented on the local level. So it really does represent a large opportunity for us to, um, again, just continue the momentum and ensure a smooth and equitable transition from natural gas electricity. So the proposed actions or the key actions, there's quite a few in the attachment, um, to the staff report, but the key actions that we see are electrification readiness. So ensuring that people have prewiring are already done before their appliance reaches the end of life. So they're not kind of, um, out of having hot water or anything like that. They have a spot chosen. There's already a plug. Uh, so that would enable compliance with the air district rules. And we continue to enhance our permitting process. We've done a lot over the years, and we're going to continue to enhance the process as much as possible to, again, ensure effectiveness. And then, of course, targeted education and outreach, um, we're currently working on the year of the water heater campaign. Which, you know, is raising awareness, um, and getting that buy in from the community that this is where the future is going. And incentives for small business and low income households. We see this as a key area over the next 5 years. So right now we have a $2000 rebate for all residents in Mountain View. And, um, you know, that's really helping to catapult and kind of again have these commuting discussions around electrification. But then kind of looking at, you know, where can we support the gaps, potentially where it might be hard to electrify or again, small businesses or low income households? And then looking at piloting programs as well. So it, you know, excitingly, we've been accepted into this, um, state program where we're, we're at a high candidate. I wouldn't want to say accepted quite yet. The Mountain View is one of 3 cities in Santa Clara County, to be accepted, and we've got the most census tracks right now to look at where, instead of investing in upgrading gas infrastructure and neighborhoods, PG&E would instead use that money to electrify the neighborhood itself. And then therefore, you know, turn off the gas in certain neighborhoods. It's kind of known as natural gas brewing, was a term that's been used. So that's a very exciting development that we're hoping to pursue in the next 5 years. And then the plan also builds in um, redundancies as well. So with the air district rules, what we're seeing, as you noticed in the previous slide, is that, you know, we're going to see a reduction of 92% in this sector by 2045 because clean energy, because of the air district rules. But let's say that the air district rules get delayed or modified and things don't work out as planned. There is a bit of redundancy built into our actions like time of sale that we can pick up to kind of continue the momentum at a local level. And then we've got, um, innovative options, like, the phase out of natural gas by a certain year, building performance standards, and of course, policy, um, advocacy at the state and federal levels. Because again, as we noticed, Miss Lee talked about, All of these actions together really drive the deepest emission reductions. So I, thank you. So in looking at transportation, um, it's still one of the most persistent emission sources since I've started my career and it's still will be by 2045. Um, vehicles are expected to account for approximately 63% of our emissions in 2045, even though we'll see a 50, an over 50% reduction, um, over time. And that's just because, you know, as these other sectors like building decline rapidly, then that'll take up more of our emission pie chart in 2045. And our analysis only captured a portion of the changes at the federal level. So when we were looking at the 54% reduction, we were looking at it without the clean card act, but it didn't account for the discontinued inflation reduction act incentives that ended for EVs in the fall of last year. That's really too soon to know the impact of, um, the removal of the IRA inflation reduction act. But as we observed last year, the transportation emissions landscapes really volatile, and absent of this broader framework. Um, and financial incentives to spur adoption. Changes in the transportation sector, we see them as largely driven by fuel prices right now, so that's a big motivator for people. Um, you know, trading policy, emerging technologies. I mean, all those factors are kind of what we're seeing happening, but it's still uncertain to see what's going to play out in the future. So our focus over the strategic focus over the next 5 years will be on addressing barriers to ED adoption, and also tracking emerging technologies. And all of that's really to help figure out how to sustain the momentum, should, you know, these broader policy frameworks come back into play in the future that we're set up for success, and we're not having to start at 0 and trying to complement these other policy that come online again. So a challenging barrier for EV adoption tends to be access to charging, particularly for multifamily residents. Right now, there isn't enough charging for EV owners currently in Mountain View. Um, and, you know, the adoption curve, if it continues to go, that's going to be more problematic, or we have the reverse that happens, where multifamily residents don't adopt um, EV, uh, EVs as a way to, you know, get around. And what we're kind of seeking is well, what we're seeking is convenient and affordable charging. So we want to really address this barrier and make sure that there is access to some level of charging, and we recognize that technology is emerging in this area very rapidly. And we're working to understand the future of charging, it can take time to scale these new solutions. So it's a balance of, you know, what can we do today? Maybe not every unit is going to need charging. But some level of on-site charging for existing multifamily properties is going to be very useful. And in the fall, we plan on discussing this further with the committee, about where we stand with multifamily charging, what, you know, how much of the properties, multifamily properties in mountain, if you don't have charging. And where can we go from there? So, um, the next slide, what we're hoping to really look into over the next 5 years, how can we get charged into at least 25% of multifamily units in Mountain Visa, about 5000 units. And looking at the use of incentives. public, more public charging, that's near multifamily, uh, or even looking at highlighting curbside charging, as a solution, also looking into partnerships with utilities and private sector partners. And we've done private sector partners in the past, and that's been beneficial and also pilot programs, figuring out where the highest need of charging is, and what, what could we potentially pilot to give them the, the charging that they need, whether it's, you know, fast chargers, nearby at city parking lots or parks themselves. to support their efforts to keeping their EB. And then we have additional fabrotation

[00:24:42] Unknown Speaker: actions, you know,

[00:24:44] Ms. Lucky: EVs are a large part of ensuring that we reach our 2045 goal. However, there are still other ways that complement how to get there and we want to support those as well. Um, and the attachment to the staff report includes expanded shuttle services, affordable access to public transit, mobility hubs, outreach and education about EDs and learning more about if there are more barriers that we don't understand to incorporate those. And expanding e-bikes and e-scooters and also talking about safety. We've heard a lot of information about the safety of e-bikes and how they're charged as well. So making sure our community is safe and 0 emission delivery services as well and rideshare. Strategy. So this approach is what we're looking towards in moving our community toward decarbonization goal by 2045, focuses on the highest impact actions. It enables fast implementation. And it complements or fuels gaps and broader policy. And helps us to not go too far because there may be technology advances so that we don't put all our eggs in one basket. We allow for some changes and we can respond. Um, more nimbly to that. And we strengthen the regional impact as well. So whether we're complementing like the air district. rules or whether we're piloting or scaling something that could be scaled up. Uh, there's a lot of great examples of that happening and, Reach Coast have been kind of paused for the next few years, but they were crucial in getting California building codes. Um, to consider encouraging electrification or EV charging. So those things can't be discounted of that that started at the local level and eventually scaled up as well. And with that, I will hand it back to Miss Lee.

[00:26:46] Ms. Lee: Thank you, Miss Lucky. Um, For the next steps, just for the decarbonization plan, we'd like feedback from the committee, and ideally approval of the proposed actions that were included in the attachment. Um, We will be discussing the proposed action at the city council study session on May 26th. And ultimately, we'll return to the council with uh, formal plan for consideration. Um, next slide. So maybe we can actually pause, um, if that's okay with the chair and just discuss the, your feedback on the proposed, uh, the plan.

[00:27:30] Unknown Speaker: Action items come, when I send it back, since we do need to have public comments. So yeah, typical process would be questions from the committee first, then public comment and then discussion. So I think this is just, sure. This is where we're going to end up, is getting your guidance around how to bring this back to the council. Um, around the approach to the goal and the the organization efforts. Okay.

[00:28:02] Member Pat Showalter: So, with that, um, let's start with the main foot. The question is to...

[00:28:14] Unknown Speaker: One to start the, um, for charging human vision. And hey, we just haven't gotten this far. Do you do you envision just partnering with an organization that would handle that or doing some of it in-house or I'm just curious how you think about. Obviously, SVCE can be helpful there. I didn't.

[00:28:36] Ms. Lee: Absolutely. Um, we have been in discussions with PCE. Um, we have actually partnered with private entities. We've sold our carbon credits to them or traded our carbon credits for installation of chargers in our parking garages. And then, um, we are also considering directly installing them ourselves. I think kind of analogous to the overall climate solution, there's no silver bullet for EV charging, we're going to end up with like this more buckshot approach of like many solutions to build a network of charging. Um, We'll probably have to pursue all of the options. So, you know, even things as far-fetched as looking at ride share companies, and if they want to support their drivers, um, who live in mountain view, seeing if they would be willing to partner and install chargers in our community. So just any range of any, any number of opportunities to get more charging infrastructure. We like to pursue all of it.

[00:29:38] Unknown Speaker: I'll say the rest for comments. Right. Okay.

[00:29:42] Unknown Speaker: Yeah, I have a bunch of questions about you be charging as well, but I'm thinking, because you said that's going to be a later, there's going to be a later session just on that, but maybe I'll, I'll, um, save much for that for that time. Um, And I will say, though, that my, my questions were around like, what's the, what gives you the biggest ban for the buck? With with EV charging. Um, But I think, because I, I charge my own car. I just plug it into a regular plug. It's not a fast charger and I'm just wondering how fancy we have to get. Um for apartment charging. For example. Um, so I guess I'll just ask that question in an abbreviated form. Um, you know, are you wedding, different off, you know, are you, is it like, give everybody a fast charger, which, My personal observation is not many people need that. Is it more chargers or is it fewer but more fast ones? Do you have, how are you weighing?

[00:30:49] Ms. Lee: Yeah, and I think we try to think of this in kind of 2 ways. The biggest bang for your buck. You know, what will spur the most, EV adoption, and then where are the barriers that are the kind of the hardest to solve that won't happen like naturally as the market evolves. So, you know, for homeowners, maybe that's fine already and the, the, the, availability of at home charging will kind of keep pace as they purchase more, uh, vehicles. electric vehicles. But for example, what Miss Lucky was talking about, you know, charging it multifamily properties, like it's particularly hard to solve that. This morning we met with SVCE and they said, yes. Multifamily is just, we don't know what to do yet. And so, kind of looking for those toughest nuts to crack too to see if we bring additional resources to bear. Could we, could we remove one of those most difficult barriers? So it's kind of this blending of like, what's the hardest problem or barrier to remove and then what is the base bang for your book? And trying to find the, you know, the most overlap between them. Um, We don't have a single solution yet posed. We want to be focusing on EV charging in the next 5 years. And then at this, um, lengthier discussion in the fall. We'll talk more about, um, EV, charging.

[00:32:08] Ms. Lucky: Okay, thank you. That's a good start. It would be, you know, it makes up level one to cash charging. We've seen some interesting technologies even at the level one charging and maybe not getting every unit, but, you know, at the meter, you're able to unplug one unit and get another unit if they have an EV, you know, there's that restricted capacity to issue to properties. They have to navigate as well or other solutions like solar battery. Um, and Council did approve, uh, SVCE grant, um, to use for multifamily EV charging. It's about $300,000. It is not a lot, but it's a good opportunity for us to learn more about what's going on where we can share information. have information about the projects, um, particularly for existing multifamily. So that's something that we're going to be rolling out in the fall too.

[00:32:59] Unknown Speaker: Thank you. That a good introduction. I look forward to that meeting because there's a lot I could ask 10 more questions on that, but I like your, you know, what the market can solve because I think that's what there's no reason for us to do what the market can solve unless we're speeding it up. Um, then my other question, another question is, um, Okay, so our meetings are, have been constantly over the past, How long has it been since we've gotten our new president year and a half , whatever. Um, you know, about changing uh, conditions. Nationally and then statewide, and I feel like another one has just rolled out recently, which is not the repeal of all sorts of programs that I liked. Um, but it's the, you know, the, the, changing gas. And, and that's, so all the others have been kind of disincentives for uh, people to decarbonize and this, wherever you are on the map politically, all of a sudden, you don't want to burn a lot of fossil fuel. So, um, do you? So, I imagine you even, the staff made much of this plan before this latest iteration, and that we'll have other iterations as well. I know, I hope. Um, So, uh, do you, do you have, have additional things come to mind because of the rising fuel prices? So some of the things that. This is like a question that's all over the place, but rising fuel plate prices. Also, you know, I go to various groups, no kings, et cetera. There are some very motivated people to do things. And whether there's anything you could do to, uh, interface with those people. Um, and then there's also, uh, There's sort of, follow what you will, an affordability movement. There's more talk about bread and butter issues, and I think, uh, that may be the best way to talk about some of the things that are in this policy, sort of, uh, because that's what, They are in a lot of ways, particularly because of the war in Iran and the rising oil prices. And there's also a will for energy independence. I feel like a lot of people. In California, I even want to be independent, not just national independence from, but, you know, they want to be more independent of this whole, you know, this whole. Whirlwind is happening out there. So, with, with all those things, that's a lot of things, but it's 4 big things, you know, do they have, And they're relatively recent, did they affect it all the way you're thinking about the, you know, the items here on the plan? Whether it's reframing, raseology or who you reach out to or emphasizing, one of these items that maybe you wouldn't have emphasized before the fuel crisis. Turn it out.

[00:36:15] Ms. Lee: Um, I would say we broadly are trying to talk about this plan as allowing us to be nimble and to continuously monitor what's happening. I don't think we're going to just talk about it and then come back in 5 years and update it. So our goal is to have these broad areas that we think, as of now, our highest and best use of our efforts, but it doesn't mean that we're going to stop monitoring the context. And if there are significant changes. We would come back with proposals to shift course because, you know, we want to always be working on the highest and best use or, um, activities. And then in terms of the more specifics, um, affordability certainly has been at the forefront of our mind. I think in the memo we, um, discuss the launch of the local government climate alliance, um, And our, some of our legislative advocacy efforts. The alliance has adopted a broad platform of climate goals, but this year, We're focused specifically on energy affordability or electricity affordability to be even more specific. So, we had our 1st lobby day and Sacramento, um, the day before the day. And we met with legislators that serve on the energy committee, um, both the Senate and the Assembly. And, uh, we talked with about affordability with all the members, so both, you know, both parties, political parties, and it's an issue that resonates with people. You know, we can't just push decarbonization and have everyone electrify everything without any thought to electricity prices. And so we're trying to approach the issue from both sides. So certainly, um, affordability is is woven throughout and in terms of our programmatic thinking and then also the advocacy. In terms of, um, gas prices. I think, It's hard to predict how long they will stay high, right? Like I, um, If I could predict energy markets, I'd probably wouldn't have a day job. I would just volunteer to do this work and, um, would be just fine. Um, so, We're not developing specific programmatic responses to the high gas prices. We have been certainly promoting electrification of vehicles and this is just a further motivation. It's kind of an accelerant right now, but we are not counting on it to last. Um, I hope for many reasons that energy prices go down, um, just because it's difficult for people in terms of affording, nearly cost. Uh, and then we haven't given thought specifically to interacting with the No Kings groups. We have tended to, um, work more on issue related advocacy or interaction, then, um, specifically political, but when there are areas of overlap, if that group had a specific interest in decarbonization or sustainability more broadly. Certainly, we would be happy to engage. Yeah. So I, touch on, I

[00:39:21] Unknown Speaker: think so. I think the, the, the thing about the oil prices, you know, maybe if that lasts, it will affect policies. Maybe that's more a long-term question. Um, Uh. And then. And then I wanted to check in on the cool block program, how that's going. Are there any lessons learned? Would you recommend any changes as it's been? Um, you know, been ongoing for some time. Yeah,

[00:39:54] Lucky: thank you for the question. Um, We completed our most recent cohort and, um, this last cycle. We have actually been evolving the program over time. So the cool block. kind of experience for the 1st cohort is not the same as what this most recent cohort went through. We really tried to focus in on electrification in particular. Knowing that, um, I believe it's, is it assembly bill 1221 um, was going into place, which is this requirement for the utilities to fund zonal decarbonization, our neighborhood carbonization. So we thought, okay, we'll use the cool block model, talk at the neighborhood scale about electrification, and then if we're selected, which we have, We haven't been cut from the program, I guess is the best way to say it. If we are ultimately selected, then we have these pockets of neighborhoods that are, have learned how to talk to each other about. So you're

[00:40:51] Unknown Speaker: specifically talking to the ones that are candidates for that. We, we,

[00:40:55] Lucky: we were trying to have that level of overlap, but it turns out you also need just motivated individuals. And we weren't excluding people from participating just because they weren't in a zoonal decarbonization and priority area. Um, but just the model of like, how do we create conversation amongst neighbors and community and these connections with each other so that they can then talk about decarbonizations? So we reworked our whole curriculum for the program. And so that would be available to any neighborhood that was selected. Um, for it. So the, the cool block was really, we tried to evolve it to help set us up to be able to do more neighborhood style decorbonization because we recognize that, you know, one house at a time is very possibly. If we could get the utility to participate in electrification because they save money on the natural gas system. It's just a lot more efficient. So, But that that requires a level of community building. So, where we're using the cool block program to kind of build some muscle in that area. It's not a direct overlap, but we have a sense of how to do it now. And

[00:42:06] Unknown Speaker: we're working to post, um, kind of the toolkit, because that's what this last school where we were building now, like how would you, you know, instead of, if someone in a neighborhood all of a sudden wanted to run a cool block, we have all the materials that they could go ahead and do it. So there is that, and, you know, and durability, uh, and to endure this program to keep going for if people are interested. But I will say it made it a very strong, um, candidate for this pilot program over other cities. I think the fact that we have the ability to rally neighborhoods. Um, made us a very interesting partner for PG&E and wanting to continue to explore opportunities with us in that many census tracks. Oh, that's interesting. Well,

[00:42:50] Lucky: yeah, we heard from SVCE that they, they thought that the worry might be that they couldn't find enough jurisdictions that could have the capacity to mobilize neighborhoods to participate. And so, We hope that this position does well. Well,

[00:43:04] Unknown Speaker: that's I could ask a lot more, but I'll ask one last question. Um, So, one of the things that I think you do, especially well, is kind of paradigm shifts within, I've talked to you about this, paradigm shifts within city staff who are doing, you know, have been doing things in certain ways. Um, and I'm wondering, What role you see, I'm seeing that, that implementing our biodiversity strategy. Um, could, and and also some of the other things were doing, the related thing called biodiversity and urban forestry, but also the ATP. Um, do you, what role do you see yourself? Like minimum enough? I don't know. I'm interested in making maximum and, you know, helping with those paradigm shifts in those areas. Yeah,

[00:43:56] Lucky: I mean, I think in the best case scenario, we all work together, you know, we'd love for all of our colleagues to see themselves as sustainability stuff because they really are all together helping the city achieve its goals because biodiversity is part of sustainability in the broadest sense. So all of the active transportation items. Those all help us achieve a more sustainable community. So we've been participant in the development of the biodiversity strategy. We think that the, um, vulnerability assessment, some of the data that we have could really help to inform, you know, we want more tree cover. You know, we have some criteria, we, like, let's also look at where the heat spots are so that we can, um, just have as much information as possible to make those decisions. So, um, We like more in terms of working together with our colleagues. Today, I met with the Department of Housing Director, and we were talking... Yeah, we were talking about housing preservation and decarbonization because you're doing all of this rehabilitation. Anyways, you have to bring the units up to code. And if you're going to rip them open, like, why not put in a heat pump or, um, whatever it is, if, um, And so we're just trying to surface these opportunities. So, um, as much as possible, we like to champion the work of all of our colleagues in the departments and help them achieve their goals and really integrate sustainability into what they're doing. And I would say they've been very receptive, you know, mountain view is incredibly collaborative. Um, you know, many of us have worked in multiple jurisdictions, and I've certainly been struck by how well everyone works together, just how open folks are. So it's been a really fulfilling part. May

[00:45:48] Unknown Speaker: I provide some additional examples because I think this is kind of the behind the scenes role of sustainability that might not be as well. Um, uh known. And um, a couple other examples are, um, around EV adoption within our own fleet. And really, I won't say hand holding because our, you know, our police department doesn't need its handheld, but, but it's, it's a newer concept to move towards electric vehicles for some of their types of vehicle needs. And so, I mean, I'm actually signing the purchase orders for electric police vehicles because we've taken on that role. to help them identify what's going to meet their needs, like really meeting with them where they are. What do you need? you know, and and then helping them see the benefits of electric and helping remove the barriers to what they might have as concerns. Um, so that's another example. Solar is another example, um, where, um, it's not yet kind of the, the common practice, the, you know, the design standard, if you will, since that's a, you know, a much talked about idea right now. Um, to, to, to build in the solar. And so, sustainability team can be the much more informed staff around what are the options, what's the process, um, and to shoulder some of that, that work and getting into the contracting. Um, and and finding ways to make it more, more feasible. Uh, and it's not because the public works department doesn't want solar or, you know, any of these departments don't want to do these things. It's just, they have very full plates doing things. in the ways that they're already doing things. And so that's where paradigm ship comes from. Right, yeah. Thank

[00:47:49] Member Pat Showalter: you. Those are. Okay, I have some questions too. We will get public comment, though, in a discussion. Um, one is, um, uh, can you talk a little bit more about what is a mobility hub? I never heard that time before. Yeah,

[00:48:06] Unknown Speaker: is it something that transportation stuff we've been talking to them about, um, and it's been a concept that they've been wanting to pilot and looking for different types of funding to do that as well, but it's essentially, like, for example, the Caltrain station. You know, how can we put in electric bike scooters? Or, um, and it, other ways to be able to get around to that last mile. Um, other ideas and who like you say that you live in a neighborhood that has an HOA and it has like a community park or something like that, that's could be a mobility hub. Where you got a bike repair. I mean, those things are kind of already included, but it's like another step. to really enable some of those alternative transportation modes, um, for those 1st and last miles rather than choosing to get into your vehicle or even shared vehicles, like a be a shared EV. And in some of these neighborhoods, so. But that's really the concept. It's it's new. That's definitely an innovative aspect, um, that I think cities are trying to figure out what that looks like. And

[00:49:10] Member Pat Showalter: how could be a number of things it sounds like. Yeah, depending on the situation. Okay. All right, thank you. And um, the other thing, uh, following up on your comment about the um, breach codes. You know, we had to change the reach code because of the law. But, um, we got quite a bit of statistical, uh, reporting, um, as we were working through that process. I'm wondering, if we are finding that in the permits going forward, are people, um, choosing, who have the choice, choosing to, um, put it in, natural gas appliances where, where previously they wouldn't have been allowed to. What's happening with that? Do we know? Uh, We

[00:49:54] Lucky: have some anecdotal information from community development and we'd be happy to coordinate with them to see if they could give a more robust analysis of it. We, they were observing some instances of natural gas appliances being put into projects where previously they would have been excluded, but I don't have, you know, they were just seeing it come across the desk sometimes. And so, you know,

[00:50:22] Unknown Speaker: which is fill a product, like, clean energy is done, so market research that, um, where, even, like, so that, that shift, like, and it's, for single family, it's still, Not quite, they're still maybe choosing gas appliances, but for multifamily, these larger developments, they are seeing that they, that the bottom line, they do. And, you know, they're using it as a valine point. So I wanted, you know, it was a, it was more than half. Well, more than half, like just alone without the regulation now. But developers are choosing electric. I think it's pretty. don't want to quote you. Well,

[00:51:02] Member Pat Showalter: anyway, I would love to know. Because, um, because what we really care about is, is, you know, how, how much electrification happens, not, um, and if, if the policies are appropriate, and we, we did get very, very upset about the reach codes, and I think that was appropriate under the circumstances, but it, it, it, it, it's also would be appropriate time, you know, how our fix is working. I will

[00:51:26] Lucky: say that the local government climate alliance was born of the plaza reach codes. So there were all of these cities last summer, we were all at this energy conference, and people were really wringing their hands about it, and it was like, we're just not going to get pot flatfooted again. With a legislative blindside. And so, how can we be more proactive legislatively? And that's where the concept being born. We didn't end up focusing on reach codes. It's electricity affordability, but this broader idea of like, maybe we need to work together, uh, in a different way, so that these kinds of things don't happen, or maybe we need to change the playing field ourselves. So, It's a nice silver lining to, um, on a, you know, unfortunate policy thing. Um,

[00:52:13] Member Pat Showalter: and then uh, Talking about charging, and how the charging, um, technology is changing. I remember we had public comment, the last meeting about the concept that there may be, instead of having gasoline stations. There'll be like charging stations that have super fast chargers. Is there any? Do you have any information or idea about? Has anybody built one of those or is there are there companies that are just providing that or is that something we expect? Is he on the horizon in 5 years or 10 years or, you know, maybe never, who knows? I mean, I just wondered if you had a. I

[00:52:52] Lucky: think it's, um, sooner than 10 years. I think that there is a lot of excitement. We haven't heard of super fast chargers being installed in on the peninsula or anything like that. But, um, it's closer than 10 years this, I think this morning actually we were in a meeting and it would be 3 to 5 years was kind of thrown out. So, in the relatively near term. Uh, we have, um, a charging shortage now, though, you know, this today I tried to charge my car, actually. And there were 2 cars in front of me in line for the fast charger. So, We have a charging charger now. There is room to grow our charging infrastructure, but not so much that we think we've solved the problem for the city and then in 5 pairs have to rip all of that out and install brand new forms of charging. So we want to increase the capacity we have now, but not go all the way recognizing that the technology is evolving really quickly.

[00:53:45] Ms. Lucky: Okay.

[00:53:46] Unknown Speaker: And I think the nuance to that too is the EVs themselves. So maybe the newer EVs can take that much. That's true. That's true. Whereas if you still are buying used or older EVs, right, you, you know, it only has so much capacity to draw for a charger and then it, you know, we're looking at a difference between, like, electric force versus a Nissan leaf, you know, and how much it can really draw out of time from a charger. It's quite different.

[00:54:11] Member Pat Showalter: Right. And then another thing with the, um, the speeding charging infrastructure stuff is, um, I really think an important part of what we're doing is, um, uh, what it's called. Um. Um, We're supposed to be asking questions about everything on this list right now. Okay, so. The blues stuff. I don't understand what regional time of sale energy upgrade partnership is. Let me talk to us a little bit about that. It's on the page four?

[00:54:58] Ms. Lee: Yeah, the time of sale, um, is, uh, an idea to require and fund electrification at the time of sale. So, Berkeley is the most commonly cited example of what they, you know, the program that they've established recently. We think we spoke about it briefly at a prior CSC meeting. Yeah, so our our thinking is that the air district rules will drive a lot of electrification, but if there are so many carve outs or delays in the rule implementation, then we could look at time of sale as being a way to, um, backstop some of the slow down that that could create,

[00:55:38] Member Pat Showalter: that that brings that reminds you. Um. And um, I also, the building performance standards. Um, I, uh, I wonder how that. Are there existing building performance standards or would we do? Uh, working on developing them or kind of, where, where, where does that stand on the, uh, process of, well?

[00:56:16] Ms. Lee: Sure, at the state level, there are, um, kind of building performance reporting requirements for buildings over a certain size. So just reporting about the energy usage. There are not, um, requirements to bring down that consumption, the kind of like other piece of what would make a fully integrated building performance standard program. We have been in, we have been in discussion with cities across Santa Clara County. Um, Spearheaded by Silicon Valley Clean Energy, looking at, could we, could we, consider a building performance standard program that is implemented county wide. Um, But the discussions are fairly early. We don't know kind of what role SVCE might play. Um, the administrative burden on building performance standards programs can be quite high because staff have to check each building and make sure that they've been reporting and then if there are, um, performance standards that are instituted, then you have to go back and make sure that those standards are met. So, if we had a regional partner, it would, um, participate would help implement the program, um, then it seems like an interesting opportunity, if we had to stand up program, entirely on our own, um, that was separate and distinct from other cities or neighbors. It could be confusing for um, developers and then also, um, administratively challenging. So we're exploring the concept. We don't know where, um, it will land, ideally, regionally, and implemented by SPC. That would be wonderful.

[00:57:52] Member Pat Showalter: Okay, um, uh, at uh, a uh, bibs conference um, several years ago. There was a presentation given about a town in Iowa that had set these up and they were particularly, uh, uh, related to, um, uh, efficiency and and, um, you know, putting in, um, It's a word. Startly put in your attic, so it doesn't relation. Insulation. Insulation, yeah, building. insulation. insulation. You know, there was a lot of kids. I mean, in their in their, um, climate, insulation was a really big thing, but it was all driven by, um, uh, reducing the amount of, uh, increasing affordability by reducing the amount of electricity that people needed. And they had set standards in their community that they were gonna meet. And, um, anyway, it was a very interesting thing. And, um, Lucas was at it too, and so we could, Probably figure out what that was.

[00:59:00] Ms. Lee: Thank you. San Jose also has a building performance standards program. They've been part of this work group, kind of helping give their advice and share their experience with it.

[00:59:08] Member Pat Showalter: Yeah, but I think that has a lot of, um, It brings together a lot of things because people are very interested in affordability. One of the ways that they can use more affordable is to use like flat electricity. Um, Oh, thank you. That it. So that's questions. I think lots of questions. Um, and but this is really a meaty topic. And so now we come to public comment. So if anyone in the room would like to make the comment, we would love to hear it, and then we'll go to virtual speakers after that. Mr. Carney. Bye. I'm up the

[00:59:46] Public Speaker: juice party. I like to spend my 3 minutes talking about natural gas, cost in the future, which would show slide 20. I appreciate it. So let's say in 2026. Oops, sorry. Eugene E. It says that about 20% of your natural gas bill is for the actual gas that comes from the oil fields and the rest is overhead. Sets up to 100 and that's what you pay. If, I'm sorry, just like 20? Was that not the one with the 8% on it?

[01:00:24] Unknown Speaker: Sorry, that says 18, no.

[01:00:27] Ms. Lee: Um, We only had 18 slides, but we'll go to the natural areas.

[01:00:32] Public Speaker: in 2045 that we would have 8% as much gas usage as we had now. Okay, the next one. Yes, 92%

[01:00:44] Unknown Speaker: production. I don't know why I thought it was.

[01:00:46] Public Speaker: Okay. So, um, that means, uh, we would see, uh, one. 6 92% reduction. And PG&E still has all that overhead. And they need to get paid. And so they're gonna charge 98.4. Okay, well, that's all going to be paid in 2045 by this very small number of gas users, which means the price of gas is experienced by the customer. Goes up by an enormous factor. Totally unaffordable. You have to not be the last person to be on gas. Now, every city is doing things at the same rate that Mountain View is doing things. Well, all suffer equally. But if Mountain View customers, yet off gas before the rest of California, then the rest of California will suffer those last gas users and Mountain View will be in the clear. This is why. Carbon free Mountain View is pushing for end of flow by 2045. It's to the economic and environmental benefit of mountain view residents. Um, I don't have more than 3 minutes, so I can't go into depth or answer questions, but that's the basic math of running. Gas system down while the overhead is essentially fixed. In fact, the overhead might go up, salaries go up.

[01:02:09] Member Pat Showalter: Okay, thank you. Any other calls? Stadium? Welcome. Thank you.

[01:02:18] Mary Datio: Hi, Mary, Mary Datio, I'm going to be resident. Uh, 1st of all, a cool block. Thank you for the cool block program. Half the cool block per room is emergency preparedness. And as a result, when our water went out last week. We had uh, quite a few 5 gallon containers already in the house full of water that we've been able to were able to use to flush toilets and at least one of my uh, full block group, other cool block group members said the same thing to me. So they're links. So, um, it's great program. I hope the program continues also because of the time, obviously because of the sustainability part portion. I thought I heard the grant ended, but I hope it's, you find another way to keep moving it forward because I think it's, the emergency preparedness part. Um, it's shown it's worth this week. Um, ATP, so the active transportation plan. So one of the most official ways to incorporate best safety practices is to stop uh, Adopt standard details. Such as for laying widths and for the design of safe intersections. And I think council just approved, a CIP'd, update road standards. Um, so I hope that CIP results in the adoption of safety best practices for active transportation people. So, for example, um, uh, Nacto standards or there's something called Dib 94. I don't know the standards myself, but I'm sure some of you've seen emails from April Webster and I can send one too. Um, So, as an example, um, I've heard repeatedly in recent meetings that 11 feet is the narrowest we can be for our rows, 11 feet, 11 feet, but every project can be, um, there's gonna be public input. So the public is welcome to come to every meeting and ask for 10.5 foot wide lanes as a 2nd lane on the street. For example, El Camino real produced. One lane's 11 feet wide for the fire trucks and everything else it's big and wide and the other lanes are 10.5 feet wide, so if it could be done on El Camino real. My question is, why can't we do it on Metalfield Road? Why can't we do it everywhere else? And so that's what, um, ATP Nacto standards would, if we have best practices in our, and if the active transportation plant says, we are going to adapt, adopt best practices, um, for our road design standards. then. We aren't going to have, that's going to be the default. And if it makes sense to have a wider lane in some particular application, then, as part of that design process that could happen. Um. Bay area, air district, meeting on day 6th. So, um, I've heard repeatedly how important that is to, um, the city of Mountain View, and I'm sure many other cities in the Bay Area, meeting their, um, their, their goals for, uh, uh, reduction for sustainability. So, um, There is obviously been pushback and, um, I don't know if you saw the articles saying that they're in Southern California, a similar measure, didn't pass because of a lot of, suspected AI generated feedback. Um, that the council received, that council received and that they didn't realize it was AI generated till later. So, um, we're trying to get a lot of people to, um, including everybody that's listening, if anybody is online, to, uh, send feedback to the Bay Area Air district. Well before the May 2nd meeting, so in the next day or 2 and just say that you're in favor of this rule to, um, It's rule 96 to get rid of gas powered, basically to say that new water heaters for, um, generally have to be electric and not gas. And so, um, I believe 2 city council members from the city of Mountain View have also sent letters. In support of this rule to the Bay Area district, air district, and I'm hoping more city council members from the city of Mountain View will send a letter in support. And I'm hoping maybe Danielle, if she hasn't said one recently, because I know you sent one a while ago. Would also said one. And then the last thing I'm going to say, oh, zero. Thank you so much.

[01:06:56] Member Pat Showalter: Okay. Do we have any, um, of course, well. Please let us know your name.

[01:07:04] Anne Intel: Oh, my name is Anne Intel, and um, I'm very interested in a patient. I belong to a local group called electrification collaboration, and we're just working with people trying to tell them. You know, how what they can do to electrify the phones. And it's it requires a lot of persuasion. And it's hard to do. And I know I'm sure you're aware of that. But, um, that makes me want to ask the question to the city of Mountain View. I mean, I'm not up to this, maybe you're doing it, but the thing you can control is electrification of your own buildings. And I didn't see any mention of that or a plan for making that happen. So. That's all I want to say.

[01:07:49] Ms. Lee: Share if I may provide a comment, um, the committee will be receiving, we'll be having a discussion in the fall about our municipal decarbonization efforts. So, this plan is more focused community scale, and then, uh, this fall we'll be discussing that.

[01:08:05] Member Pat Showalter: But there is a process. Yes, and we have. Good point. Yes. Okay, so you mentioned there was someone online? Yes, I'm Bruce Nagel. Okay. Bruce? What's your comment? Love to hear from you.

[01:08:23] Unknown Speaker: Okay, I'm sorry, I just unmuted. Uh 2 comments. First off, um, I did what you guys have already asked for is to send a letter to the Bay Area quality magic district. I got back a response with people's names on it. If it'd be important. I'd be happy to send that, you know, a copy of a letter that I got that I sent and that would receive back if it makes it easier for people to to make a comment in regards to that. to be well received. Second thing is, um, generally when you have a plan, you have some goals that are numeric, that you have a way to measure things. I don't know whether that's going to be part of the plan that you're going to review in May, but I think it's going to be difficult for people to understand how far you're getting and from the people involved in. Unless there's some public message that says, here's what we plan to do. And you all kind of also hinted at the fact of having regular reviews of things. And I would suggest that that be part of the plan that says every year or something, you take a pulse of it, where you are, figure out what has worked, what has worked, or something because I don't see that in the plan. And so my concern is how far we'll be able to do with concrete things if we don't have those kind of benchmarks. Thanks.

[01:09:40] Member Pat Showalter: Thank you Okay, that the last one? All right. So with that, um, I will bring it back to, um, Committee members for discussion. Um, So, uh, we have, We have some specific questions. I thought we did.

[01:10:06] Ms. Lee: We have, um, questions about the study session, but we're currently seeking feedback on the, um, proposed approach and... Yes, exactly.

[01:10:17] Unknown Speaker: Can you put those up? Thank. And how would you like us to address one and then 2 or both at the same time? Or do you want to? I think we're starting further

[01:10:29] Ms. Lee: back with the CSC. No, you had it. There you go. The tough one, just feedback and, uh, if so voted on approval of the proposed, um, actions. Okay.

[01:10:45] Member Pat Showalter: Um. So what? I suppose that basically feedback on packet one and list in that, so who would like to start?

[01:11:01] Unknown Speaker: Um, okay. So this is feedback on the uh, the list of actions there. Um. So, So I, you know, I generally like the direction this is going, this is what I had hoped for. Um, I like action items. Um, I do think, the question on goals and metrics might, perhaps that's more, can I comment for what, bring back to counsel, I don't know which part of this, in some of these comments I'm fitting into. Um, But this is what I, I also feel that this shows flexibility for, you know, uh, as a current events have rolled out sort of response to that and I want to continue seeing that. Um, in terms of, I like the focus on, um, you know, buildings and transportation, and on equity and streamlining, uh, permitting, particularly, because I know people have had problems with that one electrifying. I think that's something you could really help out on. Um, in terms of, Some, comments on specific ones and additions. Um, So, a few additions. One is that, uh, balcony solar was listed under, uh, an action solving equity, and I'm not on the right page, but somewhere in here. Um, I'm just hearing plug-in solar is something that I don't know enough about it, but as something that everyone in general can do is whether you're loved going on if you just want to add something quick. Um, so, I'm hoping that that can be added as well, that it, you know, maybe, whether it's part pool block or a part of, when you go to the council neighborhood committee or whatever, I'm just hoping that people can, don't have to necessarily think, make electrifying or make solar a giant project. It's a small project for them.

[01:13:14] Ms. Lee: Um, I will add that the local government climate alliance has both a priority list of legislation that we're actively supporting and then a watch list and there is about the new solar item on the watch list. So we're, We're expressing our support for it. We're sort of watching how it proceeds through committees. I cannot call the number. balcony

[01:13:34] Unknown Speaker: and plug-in, sort of, is the same thing. I don't have to work on my balcony.

[01:13:38] Ms. Lee: Right.

[01:13:38] Lucky: You can put it this way on your porch. Yeah, okay. That's a name. Right. So we're watching it. Um, as it proceeds, um, and we can certainly forget. Does

[01:13:50] Member Pat Showalter: that mean you can't do it right now?

[01:13:53] Lucky: I think individual jurisdiction. There may be local codes that govern less consistency. It's not consistent.

[01:14:01] Unknown Speaker: Okay. Well, anything that you can do locally or lobby wise to like that forward, I would be interested in adding that. It was only under equity and so I thought maybe making sure that everyone knows everyone can do it. Um, And the another thing, when you talk about supporting electric vehicles, I'm thinking more and more that we also need to support and menu, you're already doing this, but hybrid vehicles. I know so many people, so many of my neighbors say they can't buy an electric vehicle and I'm because of anxiety and, you know, charging availability that my neighbors live in single-hand family homes. Um, but so I think when I ask them what about a hybrid, then they're like, 0 yeah, I could do that as if they had a good thinking. So I think, particularly in the political situation we're in, I think stressing hybrids along with electric cars could be really useful and I could see the name to yourself. Um, Uh, Another animator, a public speaker, mention this, making sure that the ZERP program includes, um, climate resiliency. I think it's a good way to do outreach for certain things. Um, and I know that we've had not only this current water problem, but also, uh, with, uh, really intense storms. Well, I know we had a lot of power outages, and so it was, it was a topic for some people and people, a residents approached me and said this needs to be updated. Um, and then it's kind of an incentive to build some resilience like battery backup and so forth. You know, possible. Um. Another thing, this is small, but, um, but I've learned as I've become a senior that it's, it's, um, not that easy to get a senior clipper car. Oh, or maybe? Is, am I right?

[01:16:11] Member Pat Showalter: Oh my god. You have to go to the ferry building or Yes, it's ridiculous. And you know what? What, to get a

[01:16:20] Unknown Speaker: used pet? I had the same thing too. It was hard. The

[01:16:24] Unknown Speaker: amount I had to relate enough that the transition from not being able to get my kids on mass transit to not being able to get my senior cell phone is. It's only been several years. There, there must be some way of getting more localities to do that because, It's really prohibitive. Um, so if you could do anything around that, you know. I mean, I love going to the ferry building, but I should not have to get.

[01:16:52] Member Pat Showalter: Yeah, no, seriously, it's a nightmare. I tried to get one for my husband for a Christmas present and that would be Christmas present. I mean, you know, literally, he had to do it in person. You have to see that you're an old person. You know, you can't pay her. You're going to go on Zoom. Yeah, I couldn't hear this. This is um. Yeah, I mean. And funny as

[01:17:14] Unknown Speaker: it is, you don't know how many people are using cars rather than mass transit because they can't get their clipper. And so, on both ends, the UFan and the, the area.

[01:17:26] Member Pat Showalter: I mean, it's not just the fairy dole they have, but, but there's very few. I mean, I think you'd go to Walgreens by a regular football. But they don't have the senior or the youth. Yeah. So. And that should not be impossible to change. Um, So

[01:17:43] Unknown Speaker: those were my additions. Uh, think, and then, and then, uh, So, in terms, the, one thing I'm concerned about, uh, among the actions that I would like to think about more, that I, like us all, think about more, is that, um, There's the action around exploring 0 mission delivery and rideshare services. Um, When I was mayor a couple of years ago, I did a panel with the Chamber of Commerce with all the AV companies and I became, Interested, very interested in this. Our regional bodies are talking about like for Plan Bay Area 2050, how AVs. We could see a sea change, and how, you know, just like a 100 years ago was when we went from horses to cars. We could go through a similar change. Really change land use. Um, and I would like to bring that more land use and congestion, parking, all sorts of things. And the things I've been reading that are, Studies put out both regionally and globally, say the thing, sort of divide it into 2 separate paths, the good path and the bad path. I'm sure it's... medium path. But, um, The, the good path is when we do proactive policy and planning to link it to mass transit so that mass, it doesn't make mass transit, sugar up and dot. Um, and, you know, 1st and last mile and so forth. And the bad route is if we do privatized AVs, and then we all buy one and go out and move to the excerpts. Build our big fillas, et cetera. Because it's so cheap out there. Um, so I think we do have to do proactive planning and build that into some of what we're talking about in that particular item. Um, and I kind of think we need to start now thinking about that. And we have the companies here. Who are who we could do pilot programs with. And in Contra Costa County, they are doing 1st and last mild pilot programs. Um. So I think we should start thinking about that. Um, and the other, the,

[01:20:18] Lucky: oh, do you have a, I was just going to let you know that, um, I've had some preliminary discussions with rideshare companies around the A, the portion of it. Um, and just this morning mentioned to Silicon Valley energy, that's kind of an interesting opportunity because of the provision of electricity that that represents for that new business. Right. So we're starting to explore it, but I don't have enough to like put it in the plan very specifically yet. Yes. being flexible.

[01:20:47] Unknown Speaker: Um, and my other concern in this same line item is, um, when we talk about robot delivery. They, so everything's phrased here as if the rollout of all this technology will decarbonize. And, but I think that if, If we have too many rope. I don't want our sidewalks to be taken over by robots and robot delivery vehicles, which, frankly, are vehicles. And we've already, it used to be, when, if you've seen photographs of Mountain View, 75 years ago, you could walk down the street because there were not many or maybe a 100, I don't know. Or San Francisco. Everybody's out on the streets, streets were for everyone. Now the streets are for cars, and we're confined to the sidewalks, and I don't want new vehicles taken over the sidewalks, and we need to stay home. And have, uh, I don't know, friends to live. So, so I really want sidewalks just for people. And I've said this and say cheese, too. And I'm, and we have companies in town like Neuro that do delivery on the roadway or in the bike lanes. Like our bike lanes aren't used, because they're highly used. I don't know if we do that, but, um, but, I'm just, I just want to register here, my objections to having sidewalks taken over. Those are all my comments. Okay. I'll

[01:22:24] Unknown Speaker: just try to, I'm gonna work from the bottom of the document up, but 1st um, There was a public comment about lane lists. I just wanted to point out that I just saw the agenda for the council transportation committee, they're doing middle field next week.

[01:22:40] Public Speaker: I'm aware, I'm... For

[01:22:44] Unknown Speaker: anyone listening, that's, um, that's actually fresh on going to be fresh on some folks with mine. So, um, that, um, the, it sounds like we'll, Probably separately get into UB Chargers, so I'll only say a couple things there. One is, I think what everyone knows is, in addition to the, Now the, the cost of charging being less than being us, especially if you're super commuting, the price of electricity is far more stable than

[01:23:14] Member Pat Showalter: the price of gas.

[01:23:16] Unknown Speaker: much more predictable. Um, uh, and so that, that's, I think, somewhat helpful just to keep in mind the, um, on, uh, I think, uh, from midstreamlining, is, is a, is a really significant thing that we can do, and I've been encouraged that we have a lot of, um, Now that we had a lot of, um, one of the supercharging stations that, uh, companies like Tesla were doing, were originally kind of locked, Tesla's, but now they're being opened up to, the newer EVs are actually quite compatible with those, and those rates are also quite stable, even though they're still somewhat expensive. But they're also much more compatible with, you know, vehicles that don't charge as fast as some others. And so I've been very encouraged to see many of those pop up in Mountain View over the last 5 years. So there's one at, um, the Elmonte shopping center is the newest one. Um, and it has very fast chargers, uh, if your vehicle supports it, but it also supports slower charging ones behind knob hill, um, that is a really significant charging station and just open. Um, uh, and uh, the biggest, I don't, I'm not sure that permitting has been the biggest hurdle in Mountain View. It's PG&E, because I remember that, the one behind Nob Hill was ready for the longest time with, you know, tarps over it because I'm waiting for PG&E to actually it for, I don't know. But, uh, but to the extent that we can, uh, you know, that it's easy to put those types of things in because at the end of the day, it's not that we shouldn't make some efforts ourselves in curbside and some city facilities, but I think, uh, You know, if there's a market for it, the private factor is going to move a lot quicker than we will, and they're going to upgrade their technology a lot faster than we'll be able to. And so I think, I think just ensuring that they have to streamline processes that they need to do that. And that will also benefit the city for its efforts to, um, so we have to follow our own rules. The, uh, And then, um, what was the, um, yeah, so I'll leave that with the, uh, EV chargers, the, um, streamlining and then, um, Time of sale. I mean, we discussed that before. Um, I, I'm overall, I don't really have a, I mean, you've heard my views on it. I'm still kind of feeling my, my, a bit. And it's one of those things where, yeah, there are some things I'm willing to be on the bleeding edge of, and there are others I'd like to see how it hands out, and I'm happy to let others be on the bleeding edge for a few years and get the data and see if it works the way that it's advertised. And I think because this is a 5 year plan, you know, if it goes well in Berkeley, then, you know, I'm not going to fight facts and proper incentive structures. But, um, You know, it's one of those things where in the 5 year period, it's something I'd look more in like year 345 in year one or 2 because then we get the feedback from Berkeley. Maybe already. But if it's, but if it's working well, then fine. And if it's, if there are tweaks that could be made or different structures that work better, then when you do that too. Uh, we talked about reach codes. Um, You have e-bikes and scooters, the, um, you know, micromobility, I think is, especially for that last mile or so from our, because we have an express stop on the Caltrain is, is important, you've highlighted that. Um, I have slightly different views and 0 mission delivery vehicles. Um, I'd much rather navigate a sidewalk with a Starship robot than random person on, you know, biking down the sidewalk, but, but, uh, but I'm not, I mean, that's just a value judgment. So, um, the, uh, but I do think that, um, I do, I do think you've highlighted some of the things that, um, That, uh, between bicycle scooters, EVs, and and being open to, uh, being a trial location for, uh, for drone deliveries where, where and when it makes sense. I mean, the more vehicles we check off the road, even if they're, um, the better, because right now, with all the delivery companies, especially food deliveries, you know, that is, in my opinion, not the highest and best use of a vehicle

[01:28:12] Member Pat Showalter: on a road, even if it is an

[01:28:14] Unknown Speaker: electric vehicle. And so if there are other ways that don't necessarily utilize as much of the physical environment. Um, that, but that's just my my personal opinion on that. Um, I think just to share, I'm on the airport land use commission, electric vehicle takeoff is, is, it's happening. They just did the big test runs in New York and We are already planning for vertical ports at San Jose airport. We've identified sites. We have an electric vehicle takeoff, uh, company in Mount View. And so I think some of the larger spaces will be where all that happens, but I think there will be additional sites probably identified in years 3 through 5 years, just those. Uh, the, the air taxis, uh, start to. But I think that's less rural in here. Sorry for that destruction. The, um, but, but it is, it's happening. LA is emphasizing it heavily for the Olympics that are coming up. So, um, Um, the, The neighborhood programs that were highlighted. I think in terms of, uh, you know, there's a lot of bank for your buck and multi-family because that's where we can have the biggest impact, but I think as we saw with composting and other things, You know, we have single family neighborhoods that are very motivated to, um, to decarbonize. And so the, you know, the more that we can support those efforts and identify, um, and you have this in here. I just wanted to waste my support, but I think a lot of, especially single family neighborhoods, um, just as we solve a compost, you, you, um, more than willing to kind of work together and incentivize each other to, to do that on their own. So We talked about EVs. and I think that's, Yeah, those are all my, all my major comments.

[01:30:18] Unknown Speaker: Okay. Sure, do you want me to make a comment on a comment? Or? So I just wanted to make a comment on the robots on the sidewalk, which is Ed. I, you know, I don't care about navigating a round of robot on the sidewalk and then during the pandemic, Ava's had robot delivery at the, you know, around here. Um, that I don't care about at all. It was just that when I was on the council transportation committee, which I'm still on. Um, when we talked about them, they talked about the expected volume of them. And it was, it was a lot. And I want to get ahead of the game. I, I don't care about when we're about on the sidewalk. But really a lot of robots and we have a lot of food deliberate here. And in particular, you know, if you're using, if our downtown is supposed to be pedestrian oriented, but a lot of the downtown, a lot of the restaurants are located here, so they're just coming out by the dozens down the, you know, that's not a look. And when I brought it up on the council transportation committee, you know, that he was getting into this, and the other people on the committee who hadn't observed this situation were like, well, they don't use that street. They use the alley, you know, they don't, and they're, they use the middle of the street, and so, and also we do have companies here who specialize in road delivery, like Neuro. So, I just want to hire awareness of that, and I don't want us to wait until it's too late, you know, permit it when it's one or two. And then we get 100s of them out on the street and know, you know, it's difficult. So I still haven't.

[01:32:00] Unknown Speaker: No, that I'm completely aligned with you. I think what I was thinking about during the pandemic, you know, there were a handful of it. Oh yeah, one or two. I actually kind of have fun with it, even though I had the CrossFit, you know, and go to Eagle Park together.

[01:32:11] Unknown Speaker: We would go out and help it down the street.

[01:32:13] Unknown Speaker: Yeah. But the, but the, I think the, the much more like neural. I mean, those are much more efficient use because they can do multiple deliveries in a single, at least one off, you know, the Starship robot where it's just a single delivery. I don't think that's going to. Well, I hope it doesn't. I hope they don't take over the sidewalks because that's highly inefficient, you know, just for a single delivery. But, um,

[01:32:35] Unknown Speaker: And I actually, on the other things, I actually think the time of sale could be super important, but I'm willing to not be on that. But I think it could be a really important thing. Um, and in terms of chargers, I think chargers near stores actually have a dual. You don't know how many places I shopped just because there's a charger there. So I think for making stores more viable, I think it's a tool for purpose.

[01:33:05] Unknown Speaker: Yeah, the supercharging stations because they're near shopping centers. It's the perfect use of 20 minutes. You're not going to get to 100%, but, you know, just adding 20 or 30% to your vehicle to enter is a great use of that job time.

[01:33:18] Unknown Speaker: Right. And so if the people at the stores can help pay for it instead of it or whatever, because it doesn't help our business to have

[01:33:26] Member Pat Showalter: it in the garage. Not only this, and it's, The parking lot is there. You know, we don't have to donate any land to it. Right, sports retail. Yeah, all of you. great. Yeah, it's great. Okay, well, I have a comment about sidewalks too. I was going to say that, um, I think, uh, we have to develop a, just like we do for trails, we, we have to keep up the, um, uh, discussion of the community, culture of what's the etiquette on sidewalks. And what is the etiquette? Well, the etiquette is pedestrians first, or if you're a disabled pedestrian, even more so. I mean, like a wheelchair. So we, you know, I think it's perfectly fine for somebody to be on a deserted sidewalk on their bicycle, but as soon as a pedestrian shows up, they need to yield to the, you know, the pedestrian. So I think we need to teach. Um, uh, I think we need to teach etiquette about how to use these and, um, uh, so that everybody can share, just like on the Stevens Creek Trail. We have these little signs about, you know, who's, who's supposed to merge with what? And, you know, so I, um, But I do think that our sidewalks are incredibly valuable. And you want to make them really pleasant for everyone to use as well as efficient. And so kind of having that, you know, that culture about what's the etiquette is, um, is something that we should include in our, you know, uh, discussion about, you know, when we're teaching kids to bike, teaching pedestal bike safely. You know, it's all about the etiquette on the road, right? It's a similar thing with sidewalks. Um. Okay, so my, time for me to take time? Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah, I, I was generally quite pleased with it with. It seems pretty comprehensive and, um, uh, I really appreciated the, um, the explanations. Um, there are a couple things I wanted to highlight. Um, one, because we, you know, transportation is such a, um, good part of our GHGs, I think, concentrating on the transportation is, is, is really important. And there's a whole bunch of them. And I think pretty much they're they're all important. In particular, I think that collaboration is really valuable. If you, um, have a group of, um, agencies working together, and you that, that brings down costs, and it makes a, uh, more of a level playing field, it makes it simpler to, um, uh, To communicate the rules, et cetera, et cetera. So, I think the partnerships and the collaborations are just really vital. Um, and uh, so I, I put checks on things that I kind of read and were fine with and I put stars on things I really liked. I really like the regional transit partnerships, the equity and affordability and transit access. I think your point about the clipper cards was really excellent. Getting uh, getting a hold of a senior filter card is, is we can get so many seniors to drop cars if they get, is a pain. It's just really a pain soon to pay. Um, I also think employer transportation demand management, that is something we haven't talked about a lot in the last few years, but over the course of the time, I've made up council that has come up many times. And, um, I do think that, um, it is in the, um, it's in the interest of employers to have their employees arrive at work, um, not frazzled by the transportation system. So, it's in their interest to help us support this. And we should not forget that and, and, um, and, you know, involve them as much as possible. Uh, Another thing, I, I would really like talking about the parking management strategies, um, that seems to have, uh, not been as prominent in the last few years as it was maybe, maybe 8 or 9 years ago, we did a series of things. Um, I do think we probably should revisit paying for parking now now. And, um, and also shared parking, with our, um, uh, our large buildings that, uh, you know, they aren't utilizing it at all. Like, like, for instance, the plan for the new hotel to use, um, valet service. I mean, things like that, I think, are really a good idea. Um, The equity focused electrification for hard to electrify buildings in neighborhoods. I think that in our neighborhoods, um, I look around and in my neighborhood, there are, uh, there's sort of 2 big groups, there, um, and they're kind of extremes of each other. They're sort of the young couples who move in, and they're often multigenerational couples, multigenerational families. And then there are the people who have lived there forever and some of them forever and forever. And they're really kind of land poor. You know, they bought their houses when they're, um, in the, in the 70s or the 80s, and, um, they, they're living there. Some of them aren't fixed incomes, not all of them. But, um, they, uh, There, there are a lot of single fam people living in houses alone. And I think those people do not have the, um, the wherewithal for the most part, or the money to electrify, and yet, um, the removal of the barriers that we have instituted by the changes in our permit system, and by our rebate system, still applies to them. So I sort of see them as a, as a, um, a group. We could target, um, to do the electrification of single family homes that you were talking about. Um, Especially with the assistants of, uh, Silicon Valley clean energies, concierge service, that kind of stuff. So I think of them as a hard to elect, you know, as a sort of a, an equity, as sort of a supersenior equity. So group.

[01:40:11] Unknown Speaker: Yeah I could ask questions about that. Senior program, but These are people with a lot of money, but it's trapped in the house. I don't know how much money we want to give them, but you could do like a group of equity program or something.

[01:40:27] Member Pat Showalter: You could, or even just, even just, um, some souped up program to get the information out, even if that wasn't about money. Yes, it was about the information appropriate. Yes. Um, And then, uh, I liked the stuff on the last page. Huh? Oh, I, uh, I, I really believe that, um, the advocacy that we do, um, It, it, uh, it rewards. It really does raise rewards. And, um, uh, we want to continue doing that. And that's particularly true because, um, our, you know, our senator, Josh Becker, is such a prominent place in the Senate with respect to, um, sustainability issue. So we have, you know, we have a really good connection there that we should, um, take advantage of as much as possible. And then, the other thing I wanted to mention, very, um, Oh, some more things, one it is. One is that with our ED program, We, we want to, um, of course, improve EVs, but we also really want to identify issues associated with them. And we want to bring those up on a regional level, particularly Silicon Valley clean energy collect. The last, I think, we were having a discussion or maybe it was the last meeting, where you mentioned that there was a problem of look, not having enough power in the, um, the garage here in city hall to do all the charging at once at the level we wanted to do it. I think that, that idea, I identify as, that sort of issue and kind of working on how, how do we deal with that? Uh, other, is, is something that, you know, we want to work on it forward. Um, And then the other thing I want to talk about is sort of the psychology side of it. I think that is very important to celebrate our successes. Um, particularly in this time of, um, foment, political foment. Uh, we want to bring to people's attention things that have worked, things that are working, things that we should be proud of. And um, I do, I don't think we do a bad job of that. I don't mean to say that, but I, I just think that it's, it's actually a really big deal. And so, um, having all of you show up at community events, you know, in your in your silly, um, uh, you know, honor you to pump water heater costumes. dress? I mean, that makes an impact. And um, I just want to thank you for doing that and and say, It's we should continue. And if you don't want to do it, it's possible. We could get some kids from the local theater group to help us out. I thought you were going to both.

[01:43:19] Unknown Speaker: Yeah. I know you were going to volunteer there.

[01:43:26] Member Pat Showalter: But, um, but then the other thing I wanted to say is that along with that celebration, we, you know, we, we really want to, we, we need to keep recording back as, as Bruce Nagel said, we need to keep reporting back. That's just they need to get monitored and done. And um, and people really appreciate, particularly in sort of tech focused, uh, uh, community that we live in. People really appreciate seeing rumerical reports of of how things have gone on or happened. And, um, uh, so I will, I think that we want to continue to share those facts with people so that they can kind of make personal fact-based decisions. Um, so that's one of the things I want to say. Yeah. So I guess now that brings us, you don't need a, you don't need a, uh, emotion, do you? I mean, no, no, okay, so picking your feet. So then we get the city council session. There's 3 things listed there. So that's just, Right. Have you answered these questions? The, The

[01:44:39] Ms. Lee: 1st question, um, yes. And then the, oh let's see. May I help?

[01:44:49] Unknown Speaker: Um, so with your feedback, we will bring the actions to the city council. And it's a study session and the reason for this is that, um, when we bring back the plan for actual adoption, with your feedback, with the, you know, metrics and the other things that we've discussed, we want to make sure that it's going to reflect the council as a whole, and and their direction, especially given the things that have changed so much since the last time the council really kind of weighed in on this. You know, so, so one of their last items was to say, hey, can we accelerate the 2045 goal and and now we're in a pretty different place. And, um, what basically staff has presented is not taking away the 2045 goal, but acknowledging, we're developing a five-year plan to move us forward in high impact areas, and we're acknowledging that five-year plan will not get us 25% of the way to, um, carbon, uh, neutrality. in 2045. But we still feel like that is the right approach. And so, we want to give counsel the opportunity both to, um, weigh in on the actions just as you've done tonight. But also to confirm the overall direction. Right? Because this was a, this has been a big topic of conversation for this committee, for a couple of different meetings, and this will be the 1st time for the council as a whole. So if you think that that those are the 2 questions you want council to focus on the study session, then you could tell us that if you think they should be tweaked, then let us know.

[01:46:32] Unknown Speaker: So I have a couple questions. Will the plan, I mean, we made some comments. Are you going to make, like, incorporate our comments a little bit. Okay. And I guess the one thing that, so I agree with all that. I agree with those. Um, and I think it is the right thing to do that the last time council talked about, like we've made changes, but they do have to be brought back to council, I think, because it was a pretty different discussion. at that, a pretty different world at that time. Um, and the one thing that's not there that I don't know whether we just hunt it or what we do is we also talked about carbon offsets if we don't get there by a certain time. And I'm now my personal opinion on that. is that, If we're saying that because, um, you know, basically the Trump administration derailed what we were working on, which then derailed something, statewide as well. And we don't need the goals because of that, then we do, once we get there. We pay for hugely expensive carbon offsets because almost nobody in in Mountain View even voted for that particular administration. It's, it doesn't seem appropriate anymore to me. So, but maybe other council members still think the Cartment office has appropriate, make unity members can weigh in, but I'm finding them not appropriate anymore. Or maybe we just punt. And like, the year before they, they, like, future canceled. The year before they're about to be obsessed with who said something. But I think they're not appropriate.

[01:48:20] Unknown Speaker: Um, I think because we are, uh, looking at 5 year, 5 years of action. Um, and we're not setting that in those 5 years, we will reach target of 25%. I, I don't think offsets is really a question at this point for where we are in the planning process. But

[01:48:41] Unknown Speaker: I think we we committed to that. As a kid. But maybe I

[01:48:46] Unknown Speaker: don't know that we don't

[01:48:47] Unknown Speaker: think I don't think we did. Okay. Sorry, let's discuss them. Yeah, yeah.

[01:48:52] Member Pat Showalter: Council hasn't

[01:48:53] Unknown Speaker: has nobody provided direct. Yeah. Then I guess we don't have to wait. Well,

[01:48:59] Member Pat Showalter: that reminds me of one thing that, um, seems to be much further along scientifically, then I was aware this was, or that is an understanding of carboncy frustration. And, um, um, are doing things as a community that are promoting pharmacy frustration, that, you know, the restoration of the salt pond is a big one. We're going to be planning a lot of trees. So I, I would, I guess I would add, um, And I think this was part of the biodiversity plan that we talked about on Tuesday nights, that we, you know, we also fold in as we move forward a, um, a little bit more, um, discussion and of, of the carbon sequestration kind of activities that we're doing and, and, and I think we've probably gotten to the time where we can assign some valuable, some values that are, Fairly reasonable, which is, that wasn't the case 20 years ago. That we didn't know enough. So, um, that would be something I would like to see.

[01:50:12] Lucky: We have included covenancy frustration associated with weapon restoration in as one of our 10 local measures that we modeled. So when the full analysis is released, that would be included in that form. Oh great. Yeah. Perhaps not by the council study session in May, but um, before final adoption. So we're incorporating that.

[01:50:38] Unknown Speaker: These are fine. There's one other thing that I forgot to mention earlier that I think has changed. Timelines are all blurring my head at this point. So I think it's changed since it was last for you. I can't, and this is more transportation related. Um, But, you know, one big thing that happened was, uh, In the recent past, at least, uh, Caltrain's been, like, five, and the payment system has been unified, mostly. Um, and that is a, that is a really big technical hurdle that's been overcome. And I'm on a local policy maker groups for Caltrain. And they are now, they have revamped the employer programs for these transit passes, and they are very excited about how, how much they have allegedly simplified everything. And so that might be worth another push not just for employers, but for multi-family complexes, you know, 10 years ago. I remember when we could require things, we were requiring multifamily apartments that were eager to give us anything they wanted, anything we wanted to be able to build something. They would, uh, you know, in both offices and residential. So that might be worth taking another look at because they just kind of pumped it up on a call recently, they were really excited about how integrated that was and that now you can use a single payment system. You don't have to have the physical paper card anymore, um, because it's all integrated with iPhone android and everything. And then my, I was really struck by it. I had no idea how it was to get a senior cooker card. And that struck me. Um, can I have these hair brain ideas, but, you know, if I were on a transportation agency like MTC or VTA, and this is probably a hair brain idea, because it's probably way too expensive or whatever. But during this period of astronomical increases in or in astronomical, big increases in gasoline prices, I mean, having things like, you know, a monthly transit holiday where everything is just free, like. Let's just try, you know, try it out. Um, or, you know, we, we know through drivers licenses and, and, uh, voter registration and, and this, uh, and I realize this creates equity issues, but, like, we know when you turn a certain page, it would be really nice if you just mailed you a senior clipper card. If you live within X miles of a transit station. Here's here's a here's enough for a round trip on Caltrain or whatever. Happy birthday. Yeah, happy birthday. Here's a $10 clipper card that works on the entire transit system. You know, but, but that's, that's hard. But that's a, I mean, if you're the state legislature or a transit agency that has enough funds to do that. That's kind of a building, but also the, I mean, this is the perfect 3 to 4 month window to do a transit holiday. You know, pick the day that you really want. Right. You have low ridership that you want to increase or maybe it's a peak view day. In terms of vehicle vehicular traffic. Sorry, that's not your problem. It's just me thinking aloud. If I were on a transit agency. I really wanted to increase ridership because we don't have a cost recovery. I guess that doesn't help cost recovery, but on that, on that day, but it might help it more. And increase. Our

[01:54:12] Lucky: brain things are kind of like our favorite things. So even if it doesn't feel like it's directly related.

[01:54:18] Unknown Speaker: Yeah, we kind of search those out. I'm not sure they called him go passes anymore, but that has been a recent development. It's the integration of that. The unification of the payment system and the revamp of that entire employer and residential system. Okay,

[01:54:32] Unknown Speaker: here's my hair brand idea. How about when you update your driver's license? And you're a senior, they hand you a flipper card because they're verifying that you are that age. And

[01:54:45] Member Pat Showalter: you have to show up to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

[01:54:54] Unknown Speaker: if they can register you to both. If you happen to be in a region with fast friends, right? All

[01:55:05] Member Pat Showalter: right, so I think that brings it to the end of... Would you get away from your units? Yes, yes. Thank you. I thought it was great. I thought it was fun with you. Yeah. All right, so now we come to item 6, which is, can we please get out of comments, questions, and give you reports? On the next. No action may be taken by this yesterday. But, um, it's good to hear what people have been there. I'm waiting to see my few numbers. Your staff have comments. What? All right. Well, thanks everyone for your attendance and this meeting is adjourned at 927.

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