June 18, 2025 Environmental Planning Commission

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[00:04:04] Chair José Gutiérrez: Good evening. At the time is 7:01 p.m. and welcome to the Environmental Planning Commission meeting of June 18th, 2025. I will call the meeting to order at 7:02 p.m. For those joining us in person, please note that due to our hybrid environment, audio and video presentations can no longer be shared from the lectern. Requests to show an audio or video presentation during a meeting should be directed to epc@mountainview.gov by 4:30 p.m. on the meeting date.

[00:04:31] Chair José Gutiérrez: Additionally, due to our hybrid environment, we will no longer have speakers line up to speak on an item. Anyone wishing to address the EPC in person must complete a yellow speaker card. Please indicate the name you would like to be called by when it is your turn to speak and the item number on which you wish to speak. Please complete one yellow speaker card for each item on which you wish to speak and turn them into the EPC clerk as soon as possible, but no later than the call for public comment on the item you are speaking on.

[00:04:56] Chair José Gutiérrez: Instructions for addressing the commission virtually may be found on the posted agenda. Now I will ask the EPC clerk to proceed with roll call.

[00:05:07] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Commissioner Dempsey.

[00:05:10] Commissioner Hank Dempsey: Here.

[00:05:11] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Commissioner Donahue. Absent. Commissioner Yin.

[00:05:16] Commissioner Joyce Yin: Here.

[00:05:17] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Commissioner Cranston.

[00:05:18] Commissioner Bill Cranston: Present.

[00:05:19] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Commissioner Pham.

[00:05:21] Commissioner Tina Pham: Here.

[00:05:22] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Vice Chair Nuñez.

[00:05:24] Vice Chair Alex Nuñez: Here.

[00:05:25] City Clerk Heather Glaser: And Chair Gutiérrez.

[00:05:26] Chair José Gutiérrez: Here.

[00:05:27] City Clerk Heather Glaser: All commissioners are here with the exception of Commissioner Donahue.

[00:05:36] Chair José Gutiérrez: Okay, now that the roll call's been completed, I have a note here to welcome our commissioner Tina Pham. We've already done that, but let's do it again because we don't have that much to do right now. So welcome Tina to the team.

[00:05:47] Commissioner Tina Pham: Thank you. Glad to be here.

[00:05:49] Chair José Gutiérrez: Okay. So by what I have here on the agenda, we've got the minutes approval 3.1 Environmental Planning Commission meeting minutes, uh meeting minutes of November 20th, 2024. Uh let's see here. We've got EPC discussion, public comment, a motion. Okay, so any uh discussion on this issue for the meeting minutes of November 20th, 2024? No. Clerk, do we have any public comment?

[00:06:23] City Clerk Heather Glaser: There are no uh participants online.

[00:06:27] Chair José Gutiérrez: And for the record, there's no members of the community here either. So this is moving rather quickly. Um all right, so I need help from someone on the team to to provide a motion to approve the minutes.

[00:06:36] Commissioner Hank Dempsey: Moved.

[00:06:38] Chair José Gutiérrez: Do I hear a second?

[00:06:39] Commissioner Joyce Yin: I'll second.

[00:06:40] Chair José Gutiérrez: Okay. Sure, so the motion was by Commissioner Dempsey, seconded by... excuse me, thank you, Commissioner Yin.

[00:07:16] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Motion uh moves forward. Five yes and one abstain.

[00:07:22] Chair José Gutiérrez: Awesome. We'll move on to oral communications. This portion of the meeting is reserved for persons wishing to address the EPC on any matter not on the agenda. Speakers are allowed to speak on any topic for up to three minutes during this section. State law prohibits the commission from acting on non-agenda items.

[00:07:37] Chair José Gutiérrez: If anyone in attendance would like to provide comments on non-agenda items, please fill out a yellow speaker card and provide it to the EPC clerk. If anyone on Zoom would like to provide comment on non-agenda items, please click the raise hand button in Zoom or press star nine on your phone. Phone users can mute and unmute themselves with star six. Clerk, do we have anyone on the phone?

[00:07:57] City Clerk Heather Glaser: There are no attendees online.

[00:08:00] Chair José Gutiérrez: Great. Moving on to new business 5.1 Environmental Planning Commission work plan fiscal year 2025-2026. We'll first have a staff presentation, then questions by the EPC followed by public comment. At the closure of public comment, the commission will then deliberate and take action. Let's begin with a staff presentation from Principal Planner Diana Pancholi.

[00:08:21] Principal Planner Diana Pancholi: Thank you Chair and the Commission. So this is EPC's work plan for fiscal year 2025-26. As you know, all council advisory bodies are required to annually prepare work plans that are submitted to the City Council for review and approval.

[00:08:38] Principal Planner Diana Pancholi: And this year it's tentatively scheduled for September of 2025. The staff report includes the draft work plan, which includes items in three sections.

[00:08:50] Principal Planner Diana Pancholi: The first section is related to ongoing work items. These are the items which the staff works on and brings to EPC on a regular basis, like General Plan and Housing Element, annual implementation reports, master plans, precise plan, General Plan amendments, and minor cleanup items to our code.

[00:09:10] Principal Planner Diana Pancholi: The other category of items in the draft work plan are some of the items which have been continuing from the previous work plans, such as the update to the gatekeeper process, the review of our, some of our precise plans such as downtown and Moffett, along with historic preservation ordinance.

[00:09:31] Principal Planner Diana Pancholi: And there are some new things that are starting now which didn't had a date in the last work plan, such as the dark sky ordinance. So that's exciting. And we continue to work on R3 zoning standards updates as well, along with implementing our housing element.

[00:09:48] Principal Planner Diana Pancholi: The third category of items is, you know, some of the items which might not be under the purview for EPC's review, but because of the interest and the, you know, how closely they are related to some of the work that EPC does, they might be coming to the body for for, you know, informational purposes.

[00:10:06] Principal Planner Diana Pancholi: Some of those are development of the citywide TDM ordinance, and I think EPC reviewed it last year as well. And then the other item is the biodiversity and the urban forest plan. So these are essentially the items on the work plan that is being suggested at this point of time.

[00:10:24] Principal Planner Diana Pancholi: It is important to note that there are some of the items which were discussed by the City Council earlier this year as part of their work plan item, and we got direction to work on some of the items which might be coming to EPC, but we don't have much information on those yet. So stay tuned for that. Maybe in the coming work plans we'll see some of those items to be coming in.

[00:10:46] Principal Planner Diana Pancholi: And at this point of time, the recommendation is for the EPC to review the proposed work plan and forward to the City Council for approval. Staff is available for any questions. Thank you.

[00:11:13] Commissioner Tina Pham: I did have a question. I know the last time the work plan came up to EPC there was a discussion of staffing because there's so much that is listed here. Any update on the department staffing initiatives?

[00:11:30] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: Um, I guess, you know, we're almost fully staffed in planning. Um, we have one vacancy, um, which is um, going to be reclassed with the passing budget um next week uh, to for a current planning manager. Um, but that's from one of the vacant DZA Deputy Zoning Administrator positions. Um, but you know, otherwise we're fully staffed. Yeah, which is great. We've had a couple people start in the last few months.

[00:12:07] Vice Chair Alex Nuñez: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, so for for whoever on staff, I don't I don't know specifically who uh to direct this to, but um, I know that I guess our city or I've heard our city is kind of unique in terms of, you know, for a city of its size, in terms of the ambitiousness um of uh kind of work projects we tend to pursue...

[00:12:28] Vice Chair Alex Nuñez: ...in addition to, you know, the number and, you know, also obviously being home to like giant corporations um and having that kind of um economic um weight relative to other cities of our type.

[00:12:39] Vice Chair Alex Nuñez: Um, that notwithstanding though, I am kind of curious um when it comes to the cadence of timing or the manner in which um, you know, cities I guess through council um are setting their work plans.

[00:12:57] Vice Chair Alex Nuñez: Um, are there any kind of are there different differences, um are there kind of like standard best practices um that, you know, all cities of our type kind of follow and how our work how work plans are produced and then set into place?

[00:13:12] Vice Chair Alex Nuñez: Um, I guess if someone on staff can can just kind of speak to that a little bit, like how does that come to materialize? Are we following like a singular playbook that all other cities follow or are there differences in how that comes about?

[00:13:31] Principal Planner Diana Pancholi: Thank you for the question. So, um, the way we format our work plan is pretty uh standard template that is being set for all the advisory bodies within the city. So it is pretty standard in that in that format. We have not compared it with other similarly scaled uh cities on, you know, how they are looking at it. But in terms of the work that we do, I think this has been organized in a very defined categories because um a lot of similar cities will be working on similar projects and the kind of task as well.

[00:14:08] Vice Chair Alex Nuñez: Yeah, sorry, I guess I didn't mean like the formatting of the plan itself. I meant like um in terms of how the work plan itself gets the the process like council meeting, the prioritization, selection of, you know, um all that stuff. I know, you know, we're not here necessarily to um say we do or don't want to do this. I'm just asking generally speaking, um you know, are is our city council um is the process that they use to create and you know start to, you know, put together the work plan, is that, you know, the same process that all other cities use or are there different ways that cities similar to us in scale go about the work or their councils go about the work of creating a work plan?

[00:14:58] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: So I don't you know, we're not we are actually we're not the department that creates the process that we follow. Um however, we're involved. Um and I guess you know, we have our own personal experiences. I think most cities follow some similar format where they you know, come up with their laundry list of things they want to accomplish and then they turn to staff to help them, you know, decide if there's just capacity and they're, you know, what the abilities are, what that project entails. And then it comes back for those, you know, final decisions on what that work plan is. So I I would say it's prob in my experience in other cities, it's pretty common to do a process similar to this, but I don't think they look the same across multiple cities. Got it. Thank you.

[00:15:53] Commissioner Bill Cranston: So I was interested in staff's feedback on the timeline for the downtown precise plan. It seemed we've already looked at some of the most intense areas and made changes there. So we're not actually doing the entire downtown precise plan. We're doing pieces of it because we've already done the ones right along Castro. Um so I guess I'm not anticipating that were redoing what's already been done. So the timeline taking it all the way out the 2028 seems particularly long to me given it's it's not the entire, it says downtown but it's I'm not expecting it to include areas that we've already reviewed and approved. So can you just comment on that timeline? It seems long to me.

[00:16:38] Principal Planner Diana Pancholi: Sure. Thank you for the question. So um just to clarify, yes the comprehensive precise plan update includes the whole precise plan including the areas that we uh recently updated AH and G. So it is going to be, you know bringing the whole book to the table and re-looking at stuff. It doesn't mean that the work that we have already done is, you know something that we not going to use, but of course, you know all these sub-areas, as we say, are so inter-related that it is very difficult to not look at the whole plan in its entirety when we are doing a comprehensive update. So it is a comprehensive update and it will look at the whole thing, the whole plan area itself. And that's why it's taking a little longer. Along with that, I'll also add to the, to the timeline of it is that other housing element programs implementation have taken priority over the downtown precise plan update and that might have added to, you know the length of the project in here as well. And just the nature of the plan itself, it is going to require a very robust amount of stakeholder outreach which is going to take some time as well and that's what's reflected in the timeline here.

[00:17:51] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: I think too, I'll just add, you know the changes that we made earlier, late last year, last year I guess. Um you know those were not like overall like development standard changes. They weren't at that magnitude necessarily. And so we're trying to look holistically at the whole downtown area and the development standards and just interface with the uses and the streets and right of ways and um you know, much more beyond like uses and what what's allowed in in buildings.

[00:18:31] Commissioner Tina Pham: I had one more question. Um I noticed that the dark sky ordinance moved up in two quarters in terms of adoption, which is great. Um I wish I could do that with my own work. Um can you speak to the progress or um explain the um two quarter difference?

[00:18:52] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: Yeah, um, I mean I I truly hope that we get it done, uh, you know, as we've said in the work plan. Um, we are taking an approach um, that I think it's a little less comprehensive than we were originally anticipating because there's already good materials out there to use. Um, and so because of that and because we were able to uh have a consultant help us with it, it allows us to move a little faster.

[00:19:29] Commissioner Tina Pham: Thank you.

[00:19:33] Commissioner Joyce Yin: I just had a uh general question about um the ongoing work items and if you have an idea of what might be coming. I know it's hard to know because developers don't necessarily, you know, put forward uh their I guess proposal in the timeframe that you're anticipating. But I was just curious if you already knew which ones are likely to come forward. Big ones.

[00:20:04] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: Um, we do not at this point. Uh, as you know there were two gatekeeper applications last year that the council authorized. Um, we anticipate that the Charleston one will come in um, you know this summer. Um, and you know, that's a big one.

[00:20:20] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: Um, but I haven't heard recently from the other gatekeeper applicant, so I'm not, you know, I'm not sure. We'll just have to wait and see if that one comes in as well. Um, as you may know, uh, because I think it was published today, we are taking a, a new gatekeeper policy to council on Tuesday. Uh, which we're hoping will be adopted, uh, in some form.

[00:20:48] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: And that will lay out the future process for gatekeeper. Um, if that happens, then we will likely return to you all and then to the council in um in quarter three of this year with municipal code changes that you know, go hand in hand with that policy.

[00:21:09] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: Um, and if the policy is is adopted in some form on Tuesday, we'll likely open the gate open the gate um, for that gatekeeper application um, time period, uh sometime during the summer.

[00:21:26] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: And um, you know, we'll see if we get any of those. I I haven't um been a part of any conversations with developers about any forthcoming gatekeepers at this point, aside from the two from last year. Um, so I don't I don't have any you know, I don't know what we'll get, we might get something.

[00:21:47] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: Um, we have three gatekeeper exempt projects. So those are the ones that met the standards in the code that allowed them to bypass the authorization hearing, that are, um row house projects. So those will eventually come to you all, um however those are projects that don't follow, you know the same timing requirements as other housing development projects, um because they need a legislative change.

[00:22:13] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: So we work on them when we have capacity. Um but I think you'll see one of those either late this year or early next year. Um and then we'll likely be doing some code amendment cleanups um later this year or early next year um pertaining to some specific uses in in um certain areas of the city.

[00:22:39] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: Um, and then there's some other code cleanups items that go hand in hand with the housing element. Uh, but that may not be till the next work plan cycle. Uh, I think that's all I can think of. I don't know if there's anything else you can think of.

[00:23:01] Commissioner Joyce Yin: Yeah. And then just thank you. State bills that come through, you just kind of roll with them as they get adopted?

[00:23:18] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: Yeah, we generally try to clean up our brochures and handouts first, um so that and and make sure everyone's on the same page. And then, you know, eventually we'll be able to bring the you know, ordinance updates that are needed. Um, but it as as you can imagine, it takes time and there's, you know, a lot on the work plan and so, you know, we we adhere to state law and we make sure that we're, you know, doing everything up to um, you know, to state law and um, you know, if code changes are needed, um we kind of put those together in a minor code update type of packet. And you may see some of those in the changes that I was mentioning that may happen later this year um, or possibly next year. Yeah.

[00:24:08] Commissioner Joyce Yin: Okay. No, that's really helpful. Thank you.

[00:24:14] Chair José Gutiérrez: Okay, uh no questions on my end. I see that no one else has questions. So we'll move on to public comment. If anyone in attendance would like to provide comments on this item, please fill out a yellow speaker card and provide it to the EPC clerk. If anyone on Zoom would like to provide comments on this item, please click the raise hand button in Zoom or press star nine on your phone. Phone users can mute and unmute themselves with star six. Clerk, do we have anyone?

[00:25:21] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: If you want to speak first, you can, and then...

[00:25:30] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Uh yes, we have one speaker. Um his uh Daniel Shane.

[00:25:35] Public Speaker: Welcome Daniel. I'm sorry about the attire. I was out on Castro Street listening to music and um so I decided to come in here. Um and I'm not absolutely certain that this is the right venue to say the comments that I'm going to say...

[00:25:52] Public Speaker: ...but I just wanted to let everybody know here that I have sent um my recommendations for city code updates um for the work plan. Not sure that's your work plan or parks and recreation or the city council's work plan. There's a lot of work plans. I'm not sure how they're all related.

[00:26:12] Public Speaker: But it's I just want to let you know that I have sent that to you to the commission here um to look at. And I believe these are very important recommendations for updating and modifying chapter 41, which has to do with parkland dedication or fees in lieu thereof.

[00:26:37] Public Speaker: And my recommendations real quickly basically are that one, that we add to the list of options which currently includes uh park public parks and recreational facilities, that we add important natural resources such as urban forests, uh highway vegetation barriers, natural ecosystems that are located on private lands.

[00:27:04] Public Speaker: Uh this is not an anti-housing type of thing. This is really about better and smarter housing development and to protect and preserve our precious natural resources on private lands. Most of our urban forests are located on private lands.

[00:27:23] Public Speaker: So when developments come to the city planners to evaluate, they use a checklist. It's called the formal formal planning development application checklist. That's what they use. And I have taken a look at it and it is a little bit lacking in obtaining important information about environmental features, about natural resources that are on the land.

[00:27:49] Public Speaker: And these things need to be considered. It's very important to consider these when it's not requiring anybody to do anything, it's not requiring the developer, the city, anybody else, it doesn't require them to do anything but to consider the important natural resources on private lands. Thank you.

[00:28:16] Chair José Gutiérrez: Thank you. We'll move on to EPC deliberation and action. Let's uh discuss. I'll start off with just mentioning um, I know I had brought up the question of, and we had discussed before in the pre-meeting, um I thought I had understood that in the work plan that was presented to us, I think there was a goal by City Council to try and lessen the load for staff on projects as a whole, and I wanted to see if you could please share what you had mentioned to me so that the commission knows as a whole what was what was done in that respect, so that we all know uh and we all have the same information that I received along with Alex at our meeting on um Tuesday.

[00:29:04] Planning Manager Eric Anderson: I'll I'll cover this this one. Thank you. Um so when we met uh earlier this week to brief the chair, uh there was some discussion around the um uh the council work plan and some of the preliminary discussions the council had when developing their prelimi- their work plan that they're actually voting on um in a couple of days on on Tuesday. And you can actually review the work plan, uh the draft work plan online. Uh if you'll see the draft work plan, uh the draft council work plan um for fiscal years 25 to 27 only has about uh 15 items on it. And that's um a marked decrease from earlier years when you know the number was in the 20s, 30s, uh 40s you know much much higher number. And and that was a very intentional uh by the council in order to focus on um finishing actions that were on previous work plans and um uh really focusing on uh the uh uh highest priority for the council right now on work plan items. Um I'm not sure if the assistant director has anything to add on the council work plan development process but um just to to to note that the this work plan is is a smaller list of items than in previous years.

[00:30:43] Chair José Gutiérrez: For the record, she said she's good. So, okay, would anyone else like to opine on the um current work plan that we have?

[00:31:02] Vice Chair Alex Nuñez: Um, I guess I'll just make a a similar comment as um I had made in in the chair briefing um with regard to uh the council work plan and and touching on the question from earlier. Um at the risk of, you know, showing myself to be highly ignorant on municipal governance and operations.

[00:31:25] Vice Chair Alex Nuñez: Um, it just seems kind of out of step to me um to have a 25 uh 2025 and 2026 uh city work plan or council work plan, city work plan, whatever whatever we want to kind of use there.

[00:31:40] Vice Chair Alex Nuñez: Um basically, you know, still not be put you know, into like a committed finalized state um as we're approaching um, you know, the summer break and all of that. And so um, yeah it just I I know that there's a lot of you you know likely very uh easy to make assumptions um that staff can continue operating on um when it comes to the work plan like the R3 and um you know other kind of you know high um you know compliance uh items like the housing element and things like that.

[00:32:18] Vice Chair Alex Nuñez: Um but at the same time it just feels a little odd um or just feels a little inefficient ineffective whatever word we want to kind of use there to to be this late in the year and still you know have like I don't know it would be like what like 75% of the year to work on um a two-year work plan or 75% of the time out of the two-year work plan left to actually work on it.

[00:32:42] Vice Chair Alex Nuñez: Um so you know I know I've said this once before. To the extent anyone on council you know does or doesn't care, um you know it might make sense to have a a work plan um, you know, approved by, you know, the council at the end of a two-year cycle going into the new two-year cycle rather than at the start of it.

[00:33:01] Vice Chair Alex Nuñez: Um, I know it means one council in history would have to give up their pet projects and ability to choose or what have you, but um I don't know. It just that's where that comment came from or the question came from. Uh I made a similar comment at the chair uh meeting so for the sake of, you know transparency and ideation, there you go.

[00:33:26] Commissioner Bill Cranston: Well, in general I would agree with the first two speakers. The reality is there's a new council essentially every two years and they start over again. I mean, it's it's unusual if there's seven the same people, but everybody wants their input. So it's goal setting first and then the plans come out of that. So I think the reality is this is kind of the way it works and I would have loved it, you know, first time I was in here, you know, maybe six years ago, seven years ago, I had the same reaction, but I guess I've come to accept that politicians want their say and therefore we need to allow them to have their say. So we work with what we have and uh so I am in general okay with what's presented here and so if you're looking for a a motion to approve, I am willing to submit one when you're ready to do that. Okay?

[00:34:20] Chair José Gutiérrez: Thank you Commissioner Cranston. Anyone else have any opinions on the matter? If not, we can entertain a motion and then a second of the motion whenever anyone is ready.

[00:34:34] Commissioner Bill Cranston: Okay, so I will move to accept the work plan as presented by staff.

[00:34:42] Vice Chair Alex Nuñez: I'll second it.

[00:34:44] Chair José Gutiérrez: I have a motion by Commissioner Cranston and seconded by Vice Chair Nuñez. We have reviewed the the fiscal year 2025-26 Environmental Planning Commission work plan and would forward to the city council for approval. All those in favor? Clerk?

[00:35:10] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Will you help us with the vote, Clerk? Thank you.

[00:35:19] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Uh the motion carries, um six yes.

[00:35:22] Chair José Gutiérrez: Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you, team. Moving on to commission staff announcements, updates, requests and committee reports. Section six. No action will be taken on any questions raised by the commission at this time. Any updates? I'm seeing none. Okay.

[00:35:35] Chair José Gutiérrez: So at this point in time, I would like to conclude by just saying quickly, and and and this is just a housekeeping issue, so we'll be quick. I am a free thinker, right? I think all of us here agree to disagree. We have a difference of opinions, but we work together as a team and we go forward with with whatever's presented to us, uh whether it's revising zoning issues or anything that comes our way.

[00:35:58] Chair José Gutiérrez: One of the things that many of us have experienced as chairs before is when someone from council gives you a call or takes you out to lunch or just has a coffee with you and let all of a sudden they say that some of us on this commission use colorful language and then you're kindly reminded to let them know not to use such language in the meetings.

[00:36:15] Chair José Gutiérrez: And they'll let you know that there's a code that we have to adhere to that we went through in the you know, before in our in our um team meetings and and and and all that. Um I don't bring that up to you until now, uh not because I think we're doing something wrong, but because I think that there's a disconnect.

[00:36:31] Chair José Gutiérrez: The way we govern here and we work as a team, for me is very different from how city council does their business. I like to look at it from this point of view and it's no jab to anybody, but let's just say that when they hear jazz, I'm listening to from my world view, rap. It's a whole different world.

[00:36:58] Chair José Gutiérrez: I've never once heard anyone on my commission or our commission here use any colorful language as a detriment against someone, either a team member or a fellow commissioner. We're all very respectful.

[00:37:13] Chair José Gutiérrez: And if we add on a colorful word at the end of our opinion, it's to describe the situation, an aghast, being outlandish, trying to emphasize a point, with all due respect. So I'm kindly bringing this up so that everyone knows that when that happens, I'll listen to them and then I'll reiterate to them it was not said in that manner.

[00:37:34] Chair José Gutiérrez: We're all adults here. We all govern ourselves. And I will never restrict your language because I trust you. And I know how much value we bring. But I just wanted to share that for the record because there are a difference of opinions with how governance structures work.

[00:37:50] Chair José Gutiérrez: And for the record, I appreciate listening to that, but in the end I always push back and say well, thank you for your opinion. And that's about it. And having said that, now we will adjourn the meeting at 7:35 p.m. Oh, wait. Commissioner Cranston.

[00:38:05] Commissioner Bill Cranston: Just a quick question. When I put EPC meetings on the calendar, I put it on every Wednesday. When really is the next meeting? I'm sure it's not every Wednesday over the summer. When's the real next one? Is it?

[00:38:16] Assistant Community Development Director Amber Blizinski: August 20th.

[00:38:18] Chair José Gutiérrez: Great. Thank you. And having said that, now we will adjourn this meeting at 7:35 p.m. Thank you very much, everyone.

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