April 26, 2022 Joint Meeting of Mountain View City Council and Shoreline Regional Park Community

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[00:00:29] (archive recording) Mayor Lucas Ramirez: You have the applicable resolution. All members of the city council are participating in this meeting by video conference with no physical meeting location. Members of the public wishing to observe the meeting live may do so at mountain view.letister.com, youtube.com forward slash mountain view gov and on comcast channel 26. Noted on the meeting agenda, members of the public may provide oral public comments during the public comment period by visiting mountainview.gov forward slash meeting to enter the Zoom meeting or by phone by dialing 669-9128 and entering webinar ID 843-51267142. Any emails received by 430 PM today were received directly by the city council. City attorney lobe will make a closed session announcement, and then the city council welcomes public comment on the item listed for closed session.

[00:01:22] (archive recording) City Attorney Jennifer Logue: Good evening, thank you, mayor. There is one item on the process and agenda this evening. Item 2.one is conference with labor negotiators pursuant to California government code section 54957.6. The agency designated representatives are the city of Mountain View, assistant city manager and chief operating officer, Audrey Seymour Ramberg, the human resources director, Sue Rush, and Charles Sakai from the law firm of Sloan Sakai, Young, and Wolf, LLP. The employee organizations are, Service Employees International Union, or SEIU, local 521. the Eagles Association, the Police Officers Association, or POA, the International Association of Firefighters, or IAFF, local 1965, unrepresented fire managers, unrepresented, police managers, unrepresented, department heads, and unrepresented confidential employees. And that concludes a closed session announcement for the Sydney.

[00:02:28] (archive recording) Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much, and we will give you a proper welcome later on in the meeting. Would any member of the public on the line like to provide comment on the closed session items listed on tonight's agenda? If so, please list the raised hand button in Zoom or press star 9 on your phone. Timer will be displayed on the screen. Being no members of the public wishing to speak. We will now recess to close session and return to this webinar at 6.30 p.m. for the regular session. See you then.

[00:04:31] (archive recording) Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Good evening, everyone, welcome to the meeting of the city council of April 26th uh 2022. I will now read the usual announcement as required. This meeting will be conducted in accordance with California government code section 54953 E as authorized by resolution of the city council. Please contact city.clerk at mountain view.gov to obtain a copy of the applicable resolution. All members of the city council are participating in this meeting by video conference with no physical meeting location. Members of the public wishing to observe the meeting lies may do so at mountain view.letstar.com. Youtube.com forward slash Mountain View Gov, and on Comcast Channel 26. As noted on the meeting agenda, Members of the public may provide oral public comments during the public comment period by visiting mountain view.gov forward slash meeting to enter the Zoom webinar or by phone by dialing 669 uh 900-9128 and entering webinar ID 843-512-67142. I'll eat any emails received by 430 p.m. today were received directly by the city council. Please join me in the pledge of allegiance. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. The city clerk will take attendance by roll call.

[00:31:19] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Counselor Bradley Coca? Council member Lieber?

[00:31:22] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Here.

[00:31:23] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Council member Mattachek.

[00:31:25] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Here?

[00:31:25] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Council member, show Walter.

[00:31:27] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Here,

[00:31:27] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Vice Mayer Hicks.

[00:31:29] Vice Mayor Alison Hicks: Here,

[00:31:30] City Clerk Heather Glaser: here Ramirez.

[00:31:32] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Here.

[00:31:32] City Clerk Heather Glaser: You have a quorum with, uh, Council member Kmei Asset?

[00:31:36] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much. I will now move on to item three presentations. Please note these are presentations only. The city council will not take any action. Public comment will occur after the presentation items. First is item 3.one, oath of office for city attorney Jennifer Lowe. We will now view the swearing in of our new city attorney, Jennifer Logan.

[00:32:03] City Clerk Heather Glaser: I state your name?

[00:32:04] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: I Jennifer Lowe.

[00:32:05] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Do you solemnly swear or affirm?

[00:32:07] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: Do you solemnly swear or affirm?

[00:32:09] City Clerk Heather Glaser: That I will support and defend?

[00:32:12] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: The Constitution of the United States, the Constitution of the United States?

[00:32:16] City Clerk Heather Glaser: And the Constitution of the State of California,

[00:32:18] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: and the Constitution of the State of California?

[00:32:20] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Against all enemies, foreign and domestic?

[00:32:23] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: Against all enemies, foreign and domestic,

[00:32:25] City Clerk Heather Glaser: and that I will bear true faith.

[00:32:27] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: And that I will bear true faith. And allegiance.

[00:32:30] City Clerk Heather Glaser: To the Constitution of the United States.

[00:32:33] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: To the Constitution of the United States.

[00:32:35] City Clerk Heather Glaser: And the Constitution of the State of California,

[00:32:37] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: and the Constitution of the State of California.

[00:32:40] City Clerk Heather Glaser: That I take this obligation freely.

[00:32:42] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: That I take this obligation freely,

[00:32:44] City Clerk Heather Glaser: without any mental reservation,

[00:32:46] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: without any mental reservation,

[00:32:47] City Clerk Heather Glaser: or purpose of evasion,

[00:32:50] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: and that I will well and faithfully, and that I will well and faithfully,

[00:32:54] City Clerk Heather Glaser: discharge the duties,

[00:32:55] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: discharge the duties,

[00:32:56] City Clerk Heather Glaser: upon which I'm about to care.

[00:32:58] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: Upon which I am about to enter.

[00:33:03] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Congratulations.

[00:33:06] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: Thank you.

[00:33:09] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: To the attorney log, would you like to say a few words?

[00:33:12] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: I just want to say that I am very excited to be here, and, you know, I really appreciate the opportunity to serve this council and the citizens of Mountain View, and I'm looking forward to a long career with you.

[00:33:28] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: We're very excited to welcome you aboard. Would any member of the council like to say a few words? Vice Mayor Hicks.

[00:33:36] Vice Mayor Alison Hicks: I'm going to say very few words. Just welcome. And I'm just so sorry we couldn't do this in person. It was, it's entertaining to see you in a room all the 2 of you all alone, but I would much prefer to be, you know, to be all together, all of council, staff members of the public to welcome you. So I'm sorry about that, and I look forward to it in the future.

[00:34:01] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Council member, I'll be Koga.

[00:34:03] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Thank you, Mayor. I just want to also offer my welcome and congratulations. I really appreciate and look forward to working with you, Ms. Love. Um, uh, we've had a couple events where we've been able to be together the last week and I can already tell, um, yeah, I feel like you're just been with us and already a part of our, our family. So, um, I look forward to a long um, working relationship. Welcome.

[00:34:34] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: You come from a romat a check.

[00:34:36] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thanks. I also want to add my welcome, and I would agree with the comment that, uh, council member Abe Koga just said, it does seem like you've been here a long time. You just seamlessly fit. So, it's great. Welcome.

[00:34:54] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: I'm the member Lieber.

[00:34:55] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Thank you, Mayor. Well, I want to extend my formal welcome to our new city attorney as well. We are so pleased to have you here and to join Mountain View, and we know that you're going to do a great job for our city. And, uh, thanks, go out to Jenny Quinn for being our interim, uh, during this period, and, uh, for our recruitment staff who really found us an extraordinary city attorney. So thanks to them and all the best of luck to you.

[00:35:30] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you, Council member Show Walter.

[00:35:34] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yeah, I'd like to extend my thanks too. We were very impressed by you throughout the whole interview process, and we were really pleased that you accepted our job, and we look forward to working with you for many years. So welcome.

[00:35:51] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you, city manager.

[00:35:54] City Manager Kimbra McCarthy: Thank you, Mayor. I would like to just echo the council member's comments, and I believe that I even remarked to Jennifer. Maybe it was today or yesterday that I felt like I had been working with her for a long time. So, on behalf of the organization. I went to officially welcome you to Mountain View, and we're so happy that you're here. So welcome.

[00:36:19] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. and uh, city attorney, my apologies. Did I see you unmute yourself?

[00:36:24] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: I was just gonna say thank you to everyone, but then I saw other hands going up, so I muted to let everyone finish. I just wanted to say thank you for the kind comments. And the welcome.

[00:36:36] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much for your service to our city. Um, we will now move on to item 3.2 teen week proclamation. I think we will be joined momentarily by the recipient. Uh, is, Emily Chan-, she has, she has joined us. They are happy to be joined this evening by youth advisory committee, chair Emily Chan, who will accept this proclamation. Emily has been on yak for 3 years. And this is her 1st year as chair. Emily has enjoyed planning teen week and might perform at open mic next week. I would like to thank Emily for all the hard work she's done for the yak, the last 3 years, and wish her well as she moves to Boston to attend Harvard in the fall. Wow congratulations. Yeah. The, uh, proclamation read. Whereas youth and teams account for 19.6% of the Mountain View population, and whereas teens who perceive that adults in the community value youth are more likely to grow up healthy, exhibit leadership, value diversity, and succeed in school, and whereas teams represent a vast and often untapped resource for immediate and long-term community development efforts and change, and whereas teams in Mountain View, use their assets in productive ways to make positive contributions, initiate action and make a difference in our community, and whereas teams from student based organizations and committees have made a direct impact in Mountain View by leading initiatives on suicide prevention, environmental awareness, and diversity, and whereas parents, teachers, and community members can support teens, by encouraging them to share their voice, provide them with meaningful opportunities and consistently role model positive behavior. And whereas the youth advisory committee has developed an annual week of celebration teen week to showcase teens in our community, including their creativity, intelligence, activism, mental wellness, and the value they provide. Now, therefore, I, Lucas Ramirez, mayor of the city of Mountain View, along with my colleagues on the city council, do hereby proclaim May 2nd to May 6th, 2022 as teen week. Yay, uh Emily, would you like to say a few words?

[00:38:55] Emily Chan: Yeah, thank you so much for having me. Um, I'm so excited and so grateful to accept this proclamation. Um, on behalf of the yak, and team week is really a special time for youth to really support each other and be creative and even find new interests. And so it really means a lot that the council has always been supporting us in this way. Um, and so our Yak members have worked really hard over the past couple months to plan these events and showcases that I think, um, or I know are going to be super meaningful and engaging for mountain butines. So thank you again for the proclamation and for having me.

[00:39:33] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Of course, our pleasure. Would any member of the council like to say a few words? Council member, I'll be coke.

[00:39:41] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Thank you, mayor. Um, I just want to, um, say congratulations and thank you, um, thank you for the proclamation and for designating this week, uh, the week, the 14 week. Um, I've had the pleasure of being on the youth services committee of the council for my, again, my entire time and really enjoy working with um, Yak. I was a youth advisory commissioner in San Mateo when I was in high school, so it's been very important to me to to nurture our future leaders. And so I just want to thank our yak for all their hard work. I'm just always really impressed by their energy. They're smart, they're smarts, their, um, enthusiasm and, um, you know, the activity that has their amount of activity that has grown over the years. And, and then just a special, um, congratulations to you, Emily, as a alum of your college. Um, I'm really excited that um, for your future and wish you all the best. Thanks. Thank you.

[00:40:47] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: The other members of the council? If not, thank you again for joining us, Emily. Uh, and, uh, congratulations and best of luck, uh, in your, uh, uh, career as a, uh, Harvard uh, student. We hope you come back. Uh, we will now,

[00:41:06] Emily Chan: thank you very much.

[00:41:08] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: We will now uh take public comment for the presentation items. Would any member of the public on the line like to provide comment on the presentation items listed on the agenda. If so, please click the raise hand button in Zoom, or press star 9 on your phone. A timer will be displayed on the screen. And we'll go ahead and allocate 3 minutes. 1st speaker is Alex Brown.

[00:41:32] Alex Brown: Congratulations, Emily. Jennifer, welcome to the city. I look forward to working with you as an overly active community member. Good luck. luck

[00:41:43] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much. Being no other members of the public. We will uh, proceed to item 4 consent calendar. These items will be approved by one motion unless any member of the council wishes to remove an item for discussion. When any member of the council likes to pull an item. by spare hicks.

[00:42:06] Vice Mayor Alison Hicks: I do not want to pull an item, but I do want to mention 2 of the items. So when would you like me to do that right now or a little bit later.

[00:42:16] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Let's do that right, um, uh, before we approved the motion. If items are bold, uh, we'll take quick comments and then we'll motion to approve the balance if that's okay.

[00:42:29] Vice Mayor Alison Hicks: Okay. I will wait for that. Thank you.

[00:42:32] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. Council member Mattachek.

[00:42:34] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thank you. I just want to register a no vote on item 4.2. Thank you.

[00:42:41] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. And council membership, Walter.

[00:42:46] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Um, like uh, Vice Mayor Hicks, I just wanted to make a few comments. Should she go first?

[00:42:53] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: We'll take public comment, uh, and then we'll come back and you can provide quick comments before we approve, uh, the motion if that's okay. Very good. So no items have been pulled. Uh, we will now move on to public comment. Would any member of the public on the line like to provide comment on any item on the consent calendar? If so, please click the raised hand button in Zoom or press star 9 on the phone. Timer will be displayed on the screen. Uh, let's go ahead and allocate 2 minutes. The 1st speaker is Albert James.

[00:43:31] Albert Jeans: Hi, this is Albert James. I just want to comment on 4.8, which is the recology building retrofit. I sent my comments in, but I just like to reiterate what I said there. Um, I'm not against retrofitting. I'm just saying, uh, if there's any chance this city parcel could become a park, let's do the study 1st before we do the retrofit, so we don't tear down a perfectly good building in a couple years. And uh, just want to point out that with just the 3 projects that are in in construction right now in the sterling plan area, 2000 more people will be coming to this area, you know, in a few years. That's just those are projects already under construction, not even, you know, being planned. And so we really need park spaces. We only have about .4 acres of city parkland per 1000 residents in this plant area. So I really hope that sincere effort we made to see if this site is suitable for a park. Thank you.

[00:44:29] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much. The next speaker is Alex Brown.

[00:44:39] Alex Brown: Oh, long time. Hey, I just wanted to thank you. Oh, hey. I thought I unmuted. All right. Long time. Like, thank you again for bringing the trio back into alignment and including mobile home residents. My neighbors are all frequently concerned about displacement, and this is just a good step to trying to alleviate that concern. So thanks. 4.3, by the way.

[00:45:12] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: You very much. No other members of the public wishing to speak will return to the council for deliberation. Um, and, uh, I will note that a motion to approve the consent calendar, uh, should also include reading the title of the ordinances attached to items 4.2 and 4.3 and the resolution attached to 4.4 and those are, uh, listed in the agenda flow, and I'll, I'll also request that the maker of the motion, uh, note the, um, no vote registered by council member Madachek for item 4.2. Um, so, uh, I think there were a couple of members of the council who wanted to provide high-level remarks and then we'll take the motion. Bye Smart. Uh, you're you're still on mute.

[00:46:03] Vice Mayor Alison Hicks: Thank you Um, I wanted to comment on, um, items. Oh gosh, let me find them. Was 2 items regarding, um, okay, 4.5 and 4.6, 4.5 being Miramonte Avenue improvements, and 4.6 being intersection traffic signal, uh, and replacement and upgrades on Shoreline, Latham, and Church Street. I just, there's been a lot of concern in the community recently about the bike fatality, uh, on uh, Grant and El Camino, and I've gotten a lot of uh, questions from from members of the public. I'm sure other council members have, as well, on what we're doing, regarding bicycle and sometimes pedestrian safety as well. And I just, I know that, um, not everybody who comes to these meetings, reads all the on the consent calendar, and I wanted to let people know that there were, that there are improvements for bike safety in both of these items, and that there will be, we will also be visiting that issue on multiple other occasions as well. Thank you.

[00:47:27] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. Council membership.

[00:47:31] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yeah, um, even though the uh, items on the consent calendar aren't necessarily controversial, hey, do represent a tremendous amount of work on the, particularly on the part of our staff. So I wanted to, um, just bring that to people's attention, particularly on this list. In particular, we see a lot from public works and from finance. And, um, so I wanted to thank those staffs for their efforts. Um, and also echo what uh, um, Vice Mayor Hicks said about the bicycle infrastructure. I was particularly pleased to see on the Miramonte project, which is 4.5, that, um, in addition to, um, resurfacing the road, um, after it's been dug up this summer for some, um, water, um, main improvements. Um, they're going to include an extra bike lane at the corner of Miramonte and Castro, right next to Graham School, and that's a place where, um, so there'll be a double bike lane on that right side, so that kids can go either direction without having to cross Miramonte. That's going to improve the safety there, a great deal. So I was really pleased to see that that had been added. Um, and, um, so that's my comment. Would you like me, should I make a motion? Is this time?

[00:48:57] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Me too.

[00:48:59] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Okay, move the Steph, um, I will move the, uh, I gotta move my cursor up a little bit. It could save calendar. Um, No, for number 4.2, adopt an ordinance of the city council of the city of Mountain View, amending chapter 2, article 12 of the Mountain View City Cone, relating to campaign finance, and repealing article 3 of chapter 3 of the Mountain View City Code, relating to political science to be read, and further title only, further reading waived, 4.3, adopt an ordinance of the city of Mountain View, amending Article 13 of chapter 36 of the Mountain View City Code related to tenant relocation assistance, to provide tenant relocation assistance benefits, and a 1st rate to return to mobile home tenants who rent a mobile home in a Mountain View mobile home park, and finding the ordinance to be exempt from California Environmental Quality Act under sequel Guidelines, section 15061, um, B3, to be read in further title only. Further reading waves, 4.4. Adopt a resolution of the city council, the city of Mountain View, authorizing submittal of a financial assistance, application to the United States Bureau of Reclamation, for its water smart, title 14, water reclamation, and reuse program to be read, entitled only, for the reading waived. And I also would like to mention that, um, uh, council member, Mattachek would like to, um, uh, vote no on 4.2.

[00:50:43] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much, Vice Mayor Hicks.

[00:50:47] Vice Mayor Alison Hicks: So, I 2nd that. I also wanted to comment that I share the members of the public's concern about, um, parks in, um, in the Terabella area, but I think we, I think we can visit that over time, but that's what my vote signify is in favor. Um, uh, I think we do owe recology a sound building for now. But that doesn't mean that I'm overlooking the need for parks in that area.

[00:51:18] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Understood. Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Not I'll ask the city clerk to commence the roll call.

[00:51:28] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Council member Shelter?

[00:51:30] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yes?

[00:51:31] City Clerk Heather Glaser: If there hits?

[00:51:33] Vice Mayor Alison Hicks: Yes.

[00:51:33] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Sounds remember Abby Kilkos.

[00:51:35] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: I,

[00:51:36] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Council member Lieber.

[00:51:37] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Hi.

[00:51:38] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Counselor Revatachek?

[00:51:40] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Yes.

[00:51:41] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Mayor Ramirez?

[00:51:43] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Yes.

[00:51:44] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Mission carries. Unanimously.

[00:51:47] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: antastic. Thank you very much. We will now move on to item five. Oral Communications. This portion of the meeting is reserved for persons wishing to address the council on any matter not on the agenda. Speakers are allowed to speak on any topic for up to 3 minutes during the section. State law prohibits the council from acting on nonagenda items. Any member of the public on the line like to provide comment on this item. If so, please click the raise hand button in Zoom or press star 9 on your phone. A timer will be displayed on the screen. Well, go ahead and allocate 3 minutes. Uh, the 1st speaker is Tim McKenzie. Tim, are you able to unmute yourself? We cannot hear you.

[00:52:41] Tim McKenzie: Sorry about that. Computer, uh, froze up a little bit. Aisle. I'm Tim McKenzie. He him pronouns. Uh, member of the Monteloma neighborhood for 6 or 7 years now. I probably starting to the time blends together in the pandemic. Um, and actually, this is a rare opportunity or a situation where I'm somewhat coming in my professional capacity as a postdoctoral researcher in the genetics department at Stanford University. Um, I'm not sure if you noticed, but a few weeks ago, there was an article in the Mountain View Voice about the Muwekmo Alone tribe, um, and part of the article was about research coming out from Stanford, in collaboration with tribal members, that demonstrated, uh, genetic continuity between, uh, current members of the Muwekmo Alone tribe, and people at, uh, archaeological sites that have been in the area, uh, bodies dating back a few thousand years. demonstrating that there is a continued inhabitant, uh, that the Molek Malone trap has continually inhabited this land for a long time. The Yoloni tribe is currently seeking federal recognition as tribe status, which they do not have currently. There is a joint resolution at the state level that is sitting in committee. Both Mark Berman and Josh Becker are in support of it. Um, but I would love to see the city of Mountain View, pass a proclamation, recognizing that we, uh, live on Molek Malone land, and calling to on the state, uh, state legislature to move the bill forward. But ultimately, this decision lies with the Department of the Interior. So I would also like to see the city send information to the Department of Interior saying that we recognized the Muwak Malone as the indigenous people of this land, and that we want the federal government to recognize them. I would love to see that at the city level. I also encourage all counseling members, anyone who may be listening, to go to the Department of Interior Website, and contact us and say, I live in Mountain View, and would like the federal government to recognize the Moag Malone tribe. I've done that, but I'm just one person, and I would love to see this happen at the municipal level. Thanks a lot.

[00:55:07] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: You very much. See, no other members of the public wishing to speak, we will proceed to item 6.one, funding recommendations for fiscal year 2022 to 23 annual action plan. Spanish translation services are available for this item. We will now hear from our...

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[00:55:59] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much. Housing and neighborhood services manager, Michaela Helman Tincher, uh, and assistant community development director Wayne Chen will present the app.

[00:56:12] Michaela Helming Tincher: Thank you very much, Mayor Ramirez. This is Michaela Helmintincher Housing and Neighborhood Services Manager. And I will share my screen. Can you see that all right?

[00:56:27] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Yes, we can.

[00:56:28] Michaela Helming Tincher: Great. So the, this evening will be um, presenting recommendations for the fiscal year 2022, 2023 annual action plan for the use of federal CDBG and home funds. The purpose of this meeting is to receive input from the council and the public on the proposed annual action plan. To receive the council's approval of the annual action plan, and to allocate capital funds to the conversion of the Crestview Hotel into permanent housing. This is the 2nd year in the 2 year public services NoFA cycle, so all of the funding recommendations for public services grants were made last year. I also want to note that staff followed the same process as we did last year with regards to our capital funding recommendation, and we are proposing allocating the funds to a housing effort that will soon be underway, and we'll get into that in a moment. The fiscal year 20223 annual action plan has been shared per the city's citizen participation plan. This includes all the items listed here on this slide, including notices in the Mountain View Voice and Palo Alto Daily Post, emails to interested parties, including the nonprofit partners that we work with, postings at City Hall, and the library, and on our website, in multiple languages, presentation at the April 7th, team and relations commission meeting, and then tonight's city council meeting. Just a reminder, this action plan is part of the 5 year 2025 consolidated plan. And it we will reflect the goals that. you all approved in that plan, which include increasing affordable housing, responding to homelessness, supporting social services, enhancing physical infrastructure, addressing and promoting fair housing, and promoting economic resiliency. Both the CDPG and home fund home programs have specific limitations on how the funds can be used. For the CDBG program, a minimum of 65% of the funds must be used on capital projects, up to 15% can be used on public services, and up to 20% can be used on administration. Similarly for home, a minimum of 90% must be used for capital projects and up to 10% on administration. This table shows the available funds we have to expend in this year's action plan. This 1st section at the top is our anticipated CDBG and home allocations. So for CDBG, we're anticipating receiving around $600,000 from the federal government. And for homeware anticipating receiving around $270,000 from the federal government. There may be small changes in the final allocation, and the action plan anticipates that and will adjust the funding proportionately to what's discussed here. And as you'll see, we're proposing, uh, expending the funds per the, um, limitations of the fund, uh, of each of the funds. The next section is what's called our unallocated funds. This includes program income we received this year that we didn't anticipate in last year's action plan, as well as funds that we had previously allocated on things like administration, but didn't spend. And then the last section is our estimated program income. This is where we estimate what we'll receive in the future year and we'll spend in the future year. And we're anticipating $100,000 each from the CDBG and home funds. And that amounts to about $17 million. This table shows the same funds, but described a little differently, and you can see that altogether we're proposing spending $147,000 on administrative costs, $90,000 on public services, and approximately $1500000 on capital projects. As I mentioned earlier, this is the 2nd year in the 2 year public services grant cycle. This table shows the allocation amounts determined last year, and the yellow uh, column here shows what will be granted this year. You'll note that, um, of the between the 2 years, a larger portion of funds were granted last year, both to allow nonprofits to meet the significant need that they were facing during the pandemic, and also to expend significant funds that the city had available that year. In order to give grantees maximum flexibility, they are allowed to use the funds designated last year in this upcoming year. So this 90,000 is not all that they will have available this year. Last year, staff evaluated the needs for capital funds, and decided not to undergo a no for process. Um, and instead designate the funds to an immediate need that met the consolidated plan goals, which was the conversion of the CrestView Hotel into permanent housing. Since you all allocated that $3.7 million, a lot has happened. The city has hosted several community meetings in partnership with the county. The county has designated $7000000 to the project. The county, in partnership with the city, submitted a state home key application, which we anticipate hearing back about quite soon. Um, and the city and state uh, city and county also worked on a developer selection process, which is just wrapping up. Through all of this process, we've refined the plan for how the site can best be used, and it's helped us to better understand likely costs. One of the costs that we are anticipating is the cost of converting a portion of the units into multi-bedroom family units, the rest will remain studio units. Because of all this, it's clear that more funds are needed for the project, and therefore staff recommends allocating approximately 1500000 in this year's plan to the project. I'll close here with the staff recommendations. They're a bit lengthy, but just to summarize, the 1st is to approve the annual action plan. The 2nd is to allocate approximately 1500000 to the acquisition and rehabilitation of the Crestview Hotel to permanent housing. The 3rd is to allow for us to adjust the grant amounts if our final allocation is different than what we are anticipating. And the 4th is a sequexemption. Thanks very much, and I'd be happy to answer any questions.

[01:03:18] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you for the presentation. Does any member of the council have questions? Also member, I'll be co.

[01:03:25] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Thank you, Mayor, and thank you for the presentation. Um, I just had one question regarding the Crestview project. Um, I was at a cities association meeting and um, um, Palo Alto council member had mentioned that they, they also applied for, um, a project, but the state funding was, um, I guess, expended. Um, so I was just wondering if you know more like if, um, the fund has been replenished and we still have opportunity or, or not. Thank you.

[01:04:00] Unknown Speaker: Thank you very much, council member. Um, the initial Bay Area allocation was expended very, very early on in the home key, um, grant process, but, um, some of the other buckets of funds were still are still available and also there have been reallocations from other regions. So we're quite hopeful that these funds will be forthcoming.

[01:04:25] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you Any other questions from the council? If not, we'll go to the public. Uh, Would any member of the public on the line like to provide comment on this item? If so, please click the race, hand button and zoom, or press star 9 on your phone. A timer will be displayed on the screen. Um let's go ahead and allocate 2 minutes. Tim McKenzie.

[01:04:51] Tim McKenzie: Just wanna express my support for the crest view project. It was great seeing it start to come together and seeing it move through, and I just want to thank everyone who's put the work in on it and looking forward to seeing it move forward. Thanks.

[01:05:06] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much. The next speaker is Kevin Ma.

[01:05:12] Kevin Ma: Evening counsel. My name is Kevin Maugh on behalf of Mountain View Yimbe. We are in support of the KrispView Project, and therefore support the staff recommended allocations of CDVG and home funds to the project. Thank you.

[01:05:27] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. We know other members of the public wishing to speak. I will now bring the item back for counsel deliberation and action. Emotion is in order. Council member Abi Koka.

[01:05:45] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Thank you, Mayor. um, I don't see any other hands, some other, like, just, I see here. Um, razors. I was going to go ahead and make the motion if that's okay, vice mayor. Okay.

[01:05:57] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Let me pull up what we have to read here. Um, Well, so in this case, I don't think there's a, is there a resolution?

[01:06:06] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: I don't just make the staff.

[01:06:08] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Is it just? Oh, great. I was looking up our agenda flow, but you're right. So I will move staff recommendation. Thank you.

[01:06:17] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you Bye, Mayor Hick.

[01:06:21] Vice Mayor Alison Hicks: I 2nd that.

[01:06:24] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much. Council member Shelter.

[01:06:29] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yes, I'm definitely just supported this, but I just wanted to comment that, um, uh, there's a lot of interest in the nonprofits that we support, and I was really pleased to see that you included that table in the, um, uh, in the presentation, because, um, I know the support that we give those nonprofits is, you know, is really important to them. I mean, it doesn't keep them running by themselves by any stretch of imagination, but it does help. a lot. So thank you for including that. And, you know, we, that's, we have a longstanding tradition of doing that. And then the other, the other nonprofit, I wanted to mention was check. Chac has been an organization we've supported for many years, and sometimes it's been in this process, but it's not in this process anymore. That's a special allocation. And that will come up in the budget. So I just wanted anybody who was listening, who was worried about whether we'd forgotten them. No, we have not. to say that. And, um, and also, uh, I, um, you know, the Crestview Hotel is such an interesting project, and that it's on the, um, you know, it's on the city boundary, and we're doing it in collaboration. And, um, it's been, uh, really, um, fascinating to see how it evolves. And, uh, so thank you for saying staff for all the work to, um, to get us to this point.

[01:07:58] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you, Counselor, I believe it.

[01:08:00] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to give my thanks and compliments to staff as well. Um, in particular on the Crest View project, and, um, moving incredibly rapidly, and in a, in a very good way. And I think that this is going to, um, be a really meaningful, important addition to our community and serve people very, very well. So thank you so much.

[01:08:29] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. Any other questions or comments? If not, I will ask the city clerk to begin the roll call.

[01:08:38] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Council member, Abby Kooka.

[01:08:41] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: I,

[01:08:42] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Place Mayor Hicks.

[01:08:44] Vice Mayor Alison Hicks: Yes.

[01:08:44] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Council member Lieber?

[01:08:46] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Bye.

[01:08:46] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Council member Metachek?

[01:08:48] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Yes.

[01:08:49] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Council member Shia Walter?

[01:08:50] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yes.

[01:08:51] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Mayor Ramirez?

[01:08:53] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Yeah.

[01:08:54] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Motion carry unanimously.

[01:08:58] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Great. Thank you very much. Thank you, Michaela and Wayne for the presentation. Well, now move on to item 6.2 ordinance approving a military equipment funding acquisition and use policy. Assistant City Attorney Megan Marovich and Police Chief Chris Shung will present the item. Please begin when you're ready.

[01:09:20] Assistant City Attorney Megan Marovich: Good evening. I am going to share my screen now. Can you see the science?

[01:09:41] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Yes, we can. Thank you.

[01:09:44] Assistant City Attorney Megan Marovich: Um. Good evening, I'm Megan Marovich, assistant city attorney, and um, police chief Shung will be joining me later in the slides. Um, First this evening, I'll provide background and information regarding assembly bill for anyone. Then we'll present to you the Mountain View Police Department's draft policy 709 on military equipment, funding, acquisition, and use. The complete draft policy is attachment to to the council report. To provide background and context to AB 481. In September of 2021, the state legislature passed and Governor Newsom approved 8 law enforcement reform bills. These bills included the expansion of public access to law enforcement records, restricting the use of law enforcement equipment during protests, among others. A B 481 um, was adopted to increased transparency, into the funding, acquisition, and use of military equipment by local law enforcement agencies. The bills also make cities and police agencies accountable for the equipment they have, requiring reporting on its use and compliance with standards and policies surrounding its use. AB481 also requires the adoption of procedures by which members of the public can register complaints or concerns regarding the uses of military equipment. And it also incorporates a community engagement component and opportunity for public input. Specifically, AB 41 requires the city council to approve a military equipment policy in order for the police department to continue use of existing equipment. If the policy is approved, the police department will publish an annual report documenting equipment usage, reporting on compliance with the policy, and including community feedback received throughout the year. Following publication of the Andor Report, the police department will host a community engagement meeting to allow the general public to ask questions, and engage in discussion regarding the military equipment policy, and the annual report. The 1st community engagement meeting will take place in April or May of next year. The policy will then be presented to city council annually for renewal. Taking into consideration the review of the annual report. 8481 defines 15 different categories of military equipment. Um, these categories, uh, range from, um, remote from drones to, um, uh, other types of firearms, and they continue onto the next slide, a complete list of the, um, categories is described in the council report. Um, now I'll turn over the next couple slides to Chief Sham for his presentation.

[01:13:06] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: Thank you, member. Good evening, honorable mayor, vice mayor, and council members. Um, I just wanted to provide a little context on type of equipment that we have. And I think, well, it's important to note that the list that you see can be confusing and I'm happy to answer any questions on what specifically they use. The term militarization describes what it is, but I think it's also important to call out. More importantly, how and why we use the equipment, which I think oftentimes it can get confusing. For example, the drones and the RV that we have that qualify for the list on the militarized equipment are actually available to anybody off the shelf as well. So that's just one example. No single piece of equipment that we have in the police department is perfect for any situation. Um, so the tack that we use is, um, like any specialized piece of equipment, we want to be prepared for, um, sometimes the worst case scenario to keep our community safe. In general, you'll kind of get a sense of the theme of the more specialized equipment that we have, the higher degree of training, the fewer number of Mountain View PD personnel are able to be qualified to use it, and the higher degree of leadership authority or command authority that's required to even deploy it or use it. Um, we are kind of keep our ears to the ground on a lot of um, the different incidents happening around the country and even in our region. And I think we're all familiar with the Gilroy Garden shooting, the VTA rail yard shooting, as well as active shooters that, unfortunately, are kind of the norm again, around the country. Um, so we pay particular attention to the types of weapons that the suspects are using in these cases and oftentimes serve as the um, tabletop exercises for us in terms of always being um, the most prepared we can to keep our mountain view communities safe. In general, as you mentioned, as I mentioned earlier, when we use some of this highly specific equipment, there's a huge kind of chain of command component, that requires up to and including my authority to deploy that type of equipment. Next slide, please. So, um, as mentioned, we don't have equipment in every single category that you saw that's listed in the staff report, but we do have general ones that, um, that qualify. So, in our inventory specifically, we do have drones, and a robot, and as I mentioned before, the drones that we fly, um, are actually commercially available, and council adopted a drone use policy back in 2019. The command and control vehicle you may have seen around our special events, like Art and Wine Festival. It's basically a large black and white painted RV that gives us a mobile office to work special events like downtown events or at the Shoreline Amphitheater. We do have breaching equipment that's termed explosive breach, and I want to call out that, generally, what you see and hear on like Netflix or TV or movies is not and quite very different than how we would use it. It's a very, um, surgical, specific, um, type of tool that's used in very, very, very, uh, fine definitions. Um, and then, uh, the category 8, 9, and 10 that covers patrol rifles, sniper rifles. So our patrol rifles is one category which is deployed in every police car and motorcycle. They're locked up and they remain there. And the general usage there is, if you think of it this way, our handguns, our pistols, are effective up to a certain range for close range in terms of defending life. But rifles are a lot more accurate. And the way we would use rifles differs greatly in terms of the way a military application might be. So that's also something I want to call out that distinguishes it. The last category is less lethal munitions. It's a category that covers either rubber batons, tear gas, and tear gas comes in many forms. Sometimes we will use it in terms of crowd control situations. Other times, it's a munition that can be shot into a room that disperses a small amount of tear gas to, in those situations, move a suspect from one room to another. Again, these are not um, pieces of equipment that uh, general patrol officer that you would see driving around would be carrying with the exception of the patrol rifle. With that, I know it's a very broad sense, and I just wanted to provide kind of a general overview. One other question that we've received in the past is what happens if other entities on mutual aid come and help us out? Each entity in the state of California is doing the same thing on the same timeline. So, our respective colleagues and other jurisdictions are also presenting to their councils, because in a major event, we can expect multiple agencies for mutual aid coming. But even at that point, um, anything they bring with them would require the, the, uh, basically the buyoff of Mountain View PD leadership to deploy and use for that incident. Allison, or Megan, back to you?

[01:18:20] Assistant City Attorney Megan Marovich: How does A B 41 affect the city of Mountain View? Well, if the city council adopts an ordinance approving the military equipment policy, police department's policy 709, um, the Mountain View Police Department will be able to continue to use the equipment that is, um, designated as military equipment and listed as in the inventory, which is attachment, one to the policy 709. And staff will implement the requirements of 41 that we've described through the presentation, including tracking and documenting each use of these types of military equipment. Um, and presenting those in an annual report for review, um, at a community engagement meeting, and then ultimately by city council, um, each year. And if the council does not adopt a policy, um, the police department will have to cease use of its existing equipment. As a result, the department would have to redesign, policies and procedures, and operations for responding to critical incidences because these policies currently incorporate the use of this type of equipment. And ultimately, this could have a negative impact on the police department's ability to respond to critical incidences like those described. by Chief Young earlier in the presentation. Finally, I'll close with the recommendation, which is to introduce an ordinance, um, which would amend, I'm sorry, add section 2.69.3 to the, uh, Mountain View City code. Um, And, uh, a 2nd reading for adoption of the ordinance at the Maytime meeting. Thank you.

[01:20:12] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much for the presentation. Does any member of the council have questions? Council member labor?

[01:20:19] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Well, thank you, Mayor. I had a question. Um, I saw a response to categories 12 and 14, but not category 13. So does that mean that we're, we don't currently have stock of, um, category 13?

[01:20:38] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: That's correct, Council, I believe.

[01:20:41] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Okay. And then, um, under um, categories 12 and 14. Um, in the staff report, it talks about, um, stopping uh, a subject at various distances. And then in terms of, um, uh, other tools, uh, creating a diversionary tactic when trying to take a dangerous suspect into custody. So, would the, um, Uh, options, um, such as pepperballs and tear guests be used on subjects or suspects?

[01:21:27] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: Um, I think if the question is the definition, the difference between a subject and a suspect, um, use of any of these types of tools, uh, could only be used against someone we would consider a suspect, someone related to a crime or whatever incident that we're responding to.

[01:21:45] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Okay, so, oh, over the past couple years, we've seen when there were political demonstrations. And um, both uh, well, Well, really all of these things, uh, beanbags, pepper balls, tear gas, uh, batons, et cetera, were used within our county. Um, and I'm just trying to see if in the policies that we're adopting, is there anything that distinguishes between, um, uh, political, and, and when someone becomes a, a suspect in a crime, you mentioned using it for crowd control. So, um, how, where are the parameters around that and where would we find it in the written policy?

[01:22:39] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: So the use, um, in terms of crowd control situations, um, and there's nothing specific to the term political type of rallies or anything like that. Um, in any sort of crowd control situation, if there, if it becomes a situation where, um, crimes are being committed, windows are being broken, for instance, or there's fights or something, the incident command at that point would uh, deem it a, um, basically a riot and give a riot uh, proclamation. So, at that point, and certain criminal elements have to be met at that point, elements of that. uh, once that takes place and a riot has been declared, um, and this is beyond just a normal rally or free speech. In fact, in most of the deployments that I'm thinking of in my head, it's never risen to that occasion, the primary role at that point for law enforcement is to maintain the safety of both the protesters and those observing and the property owners where that's taking place. Um, understanding some of the case studies I've seen before. If a crowd becomes out of control and they're committing criminal activity, then that's when the riot destination comes out. Once that happens, and typically, whoever gives that proclamation, gives it over and over and over, records it so that there's a record of it, anyone who stays beyond that point, could be considered in violation of the law. And that's when a decision to deploy chemical munitions may be used to move them away or disperse them out of that area.

[01:24:09] Councilmember Sally Lieber: So will that end up being in the, in the written policy that, um, uh, it would need to be triggered by a formal determination that it's, it's not a, it's gone beyond a free speech.

[01:24:28] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: No, that would be actually covered in our use of force and our SWAT policy and procedures manual. So those types of steps have already been outlined and is separate. This one is specific more to inventory and reporting out to council.

[01:24:43] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Okay. And in our AB 481 compliance, will it end up saying referencing those training manuals? Um, like, for example, the SWAT training manual that you mentioned will, um, Will that be detailed? In our RAB 481 compliance, that we're gonna do it in conformity with it. That training manual.

[01:25:17] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: I don't believe so because I think the manual side of it is mostly like an inventory, what we have, what we'd like to have, how we've used it, um, because the other parts of the policy, like policy 709 is part of an overall, the mountain view police department policy. So the other parts, other chapters, actually I already have it covered in the use of force in the SWAT section.

[01:25:39] Assistant City Attorney Megan Marovich: Also, I would note up to that, under the inventory section of the, uh, the proposed policy, there is a legal and procedural, um, procedural rules section under each type of equipment, and there are cross references to MVPD policies.

[01:25:56] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Okay, great. And will there be, um, uh, a link on the department's uh, website where folks can access this information?

[01:26:08] Assistant City Attorney Megan Marovich: Yes, it's already been posted.

[01:26:10] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Okay, fantastic. Thank you.

[01:26:15] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. Bye.

[01:26:18] Vice Mayor Alison Hicks: So, thank you. Thank you to staff for this thorough report. It's a lot of information to digest, not in my field, but, um, I, you know, usually I rely on, uh, our, um, our committees, uh, to do sort of the deep dive on things like this. So, I was wondering, uh, I know that the, our PCAB, the public safety advisory board, uh, did a review of this policy, and I, I, I assume, um, that, that you were a part of that. So I'm wondering what, whether you can give us a few more details other than what was in the staff report, about the piece of discussion, and what they were most, what items they may have been most concerned about.

[01:27:05] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: Sure. Um, they received the same, uh, PowerPoint deck that you just saw, as well as the same staff report, um, and policy. If I recall the discussion, One was clarification on what exactly a pistol, the difference between a pistol and a rifle. I provided that, and that, in essence, is range and accuracy. There was another question in terms of, like, mutual aid, if a neighboring agency like Sunnyvale has an armored personnel carrier. What are the qualifications there, and the answer to that being that Sunnyvale, city of Sunnyvale has their police department has presented that piece of equipment to their council already. But again, if we were to call upon them for help, um, the usage of it would have to go through our chain of command to allow for it. Um, and if I recall, there was some comment on, um, It was more one of the commissioners highlighted, uh, just kind of events around the country that, um, in many cases, the police departments were outgunned and responding to these things because the types of weapons that criminals use. So that was more of a statement and support of just having the inventory. But all in all, I would say it was about a 10 to 15 minute presentation with questions. And I think there were 2 members of the public that called in.

[01:28:21] Vice Mayor Alison Hicks: Okay, and then I appreciate when I read this that this is going to come back to us every year because I really think it takes quite a bit of time to digest. Um, and so I'm wondering, uh, the top of page two of the says every year, the city has to prepare a military equipment report, hold a community engagement meeting, and get the policy approved by a governing body. Can you outline how we're likely to do that? Will it involve the PCAB or a separate community meeting or both? Will it be a council item on the regular agenda or a consent calendar? How do you see us reviewing this every year?

[01:29:04] Assistant City Attorney Megan Marevich: The annual report will be published, and then within 30 days, the police department is required to hold the community engagement meeting, which we discussed. Um, it, uh, to allow for question and answers and discussion on the report and the policy. Um, So that gives the 30 day period in advance to the council meeting where it would be, um, introduced for renewal. Um, there is no requirement that the report go before, um, the report and the policy go before PSAP. Um, but the, the community engagement meeting would be held by police department, and then it could go to council. Um, it could potentially be a consent item if there were no um, changes to the policy, um, or significant uses to report. I would say. So the community meeting would not necessarily be the peace app, those could be 2 separate meetings.

[01:30:07] Vice Mayor Alison Hicks: Okay. Okay, thank you.

[01:30:13] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. Council member Shelter.

[01:30:17] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Hoping you'd go into a little more detail about for us about what chemical munitions are and what explosive breaching equipment is. Because I'm not really familiar with either of those, except what I see on TV shows. And I have a feeling that's very unrealistic.

[01:30:36] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: Sure, I'm happy to do so. So, like, with tear gas, it would be almost like a canister that you pull the pin on, and when you do, it lets off, basically, a lot of smoke, and within that smoke is the chemical. It's CN or CS gas. It's an irritant. So if it gets on your skin, your skin burns, if it gets in your airways, it makes you tear up. Uh, makes it just very unpleasant, but it's not, um, lethal. I mean, hypothetically, if you are trapped in a room, and it kind of displaced the oxygen, that's a concern, and that's something we definitely take into account. But in the open air, basically, you can wash it off with water, and that's that. And so in smaller quantities, if you imagine, if you've ever seen like a shotgun shell, they have little shotgun shells that have little projectiles that have a plastic capsule of the same chemical. And so, um, one application we might use, but only by the SWAT team members would be, if we knew a suspect was in the backside of a house, and we wanted to move him or her to the front side. Um, we would shoot uh, into the room. before we do that, we'd have to know who was in the room. We couldn't just blindly fire into the room. But that would explode in the little wall, a little puff would go out, and that your tent would fill that room, right? And the thought there being, you move people from one end of the house to the other. Um, there's other, I think, the 2nd part of your question was explosive breach. So while on Hollywood type of movies, you see a gigantic mushroom cloud with a lot of flame, uh, police department explosive breach programs are actually highly surgical and not as exciting. Um, we use something called debt cord. So if you imagine what a cable TV cable looks like. Um, the explosive is contained within that cable, and it's a very mathematical formula of, um, that the breacher and our department only has one breacher who's qualified to do these calculations, they have to go to a 2 week school. It's quite, uh, quite intense and quite mathematical, but they have to look at the material they're trying to get through the wall and calculate how much debt core to use and shape it in a form that would allow maybe a 6 foot police officer to fit through. And when we would use it, I'd give you an example of a use case is typically only in a hostage rescue situation. So, um, in our experience, and these are based on case studies across the country is when someone holds someone hostage, they generally barricade the doors or the windows or both. Um, and so time is of the essence when you're trying to rescue someone. Um, and so what the breacher would do with command authority from the tactical commander would be, um, basically set up a charge on a wall that we know that we can get into the house quickly, um, not likely to be in the same room as the hostage or the suspect, because there's a danger there in the initial explosion. Um, but they would basically cut through the wall and get in. The other half of this is while all of that's going on is extensive negotiations by our hostage negotiators. So our preference is if we have to sit there and talk for four, six, eight, 20 hours, we'll talk. But what would trigger the decision to use an explosive breach is suddenly the hostage negotiator telling us the suspect's unstable, he's made a threat to hurt or kill the hostage, or we believe he's actually moving towards the hostage to do so, then the command authority would be given to do an immediate rescue. So it's mostly like a tool that's used on the side. Um, and this is something that those that use it, the one person has to be certified every couple years, and it's dictated by the state.

[01:34:04] Councilmember Pat Showalter: And it says we've never done that.

[01:34:06] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: Correct.

[01:34:07] Councilmember Pat Showalter: But you just, it's just a tool for your toolbox. essentially

[01:34:11] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: is, is, is,

[01:34:12] Councilmember Pat Showalter: okay. And then the other thing with the chemical munitions. Um, uh, it says that you haven't used that in 2 decades. So that's that's a long time. So you've been able to deal with all the problems that Mountain View has had, and they've been... You know, we haven't had as serious ones as some, some communities, but we have had, you know, our share, for, for 20 years, we haven't had to do that. You haven't had to do that. You've been able to find another way.

[01:34:39] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: Right.

[01:34:41] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Okay. So. I guess one of the things I wonder about, um, with chemical munitions is, you know, how safe are they to store? Um, uh, what kind of, um, handling situations do you have?

[01:34:59] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: We have an armory that's, uh, I think it's, uh, governed by State OSHA. It's, like, a fireproof type of box. So, everything that's in there that's that type of munition is stored within there. Um, there's fire department oversight of that because we're storing something that's that could be explosive in nature. Um, so that part has a lot of different safety protocols around it.

[01:35:23] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Okay. And then another thing I wanted to ask a little bit about is where do we get this equipment? I mean, I remember maybe 5 years ago there was a big push to for the federal government to supply outdated military equipment to police forces. And, but we've had many of these things long before that happened. So where do we get, where do we get this, um, this equipment?

[01:35:49] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: There's a number of dealers and vendors, we'll generally go out to state bid, so, like, ammunition or firearms. There's quite a few up and down the state that deal solely with law enforcement agencies. They don't just sell one thing, they'll sell, the tear gas, they'll sell the bullets, they'll sell the rifles. They have to go through all the same federal firearm licensed protocols as if anyone was buying a weapon. So everything is serialized and completely. Um, there's a lot of paperwork involved. Um, so, I don't know if that answers your question.

[01:36:19] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Well, it was just that, you know, the title of this is military. And so I was, we're not necessarily getting this from the military. That's just the type of equipment, is that correct?

[01:36:30] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: Sorry. That's correct. And that's a good distinguish, something distinguished, because the military, the program you're talking about was known as the 1033 program, where the military would give free surplus weapons, in our entire inventory of roughly 90 something rifles. I believe 5 of them were provided free by the military. The rest were purchased prior to that, just using general general city funds. They're almost identical. And again, this goes back to the very beginning of my presentation. How you use a weapon like this is very different. The what is the same, right? They're the same piece of equipment. But in the military, for example, if you say cover fire, they're basically spraying a lot of bullets down towards the enemy. Police departments operate entirely differently. We're accountable for every single bullet that's fired. So we cannot just indiscriminately fire weapons. Same weapon platform, different, entirely 180 degree, different way to use it.

[01:37:29] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Okay, and then the other thing I was hoping we could talk a little bit more about is, um, is the use of drones. I really enjoyed seeing the demonstration of the drone at the, you know, at the Pal event on Friday. And, um, I really think that these drones have a tremendous amount of utility throughout our city, not just for, um, not just for this. In fact, looking at the photo that's behind Megan, I think that was probably taken by a drone. And it's, you know, it's very nice. So, anyway, can you talk a little bit about, um, how, you know, how you, the police department own, I, you know, I asked that question. The police department owns the drones, and yet you lend them out for other departments use, or you help other departments with them? How does that work?

[01:38:20] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: Sure. So, um, this is actually outlined also in our drone use policy, um, but, uh, they're basically free to use by other city departments. So our most frequent customers, the public works department, we're happy to fly the drones above all the city buildings. It saves someone from getting on a ladder or renting the equipment to get onto a roof, where we can basically just hover over the parts that they want to look at. To my knowledge, they used it twice over the past couple years. The city of Palo Alto next door, when they had a, um, a foot pursuit called for our help, and we had one of our drone operators working and was able to fly up. Unfortunately, well fortunately for them, they caught the person before we actually got up in the air. Um, but in terms of the ways we use it internally is, um, also, there was one case where we were trying to arrest a suspect known to carry weapons, and the drone was hovering above his house 1st before we surrounded the house. And, um, they actually saw the guy put the gun in a bag and throw it over the fence. Um, and, you know, that's a danger to the public because if we didn't know about that, and we weren't looking for it, then, you know, anyone, a child could come along and find a loaded gun. That gun, in that case, turned out to be a ghost gun. So, um, there's a lot of usage, uh, um, and those that are on our drone team, um, actually have to pass a little bit more stringent, uh, FAA requirements that allows them to fly in the way. So it's very strictly defined on when we can fly, how we can use it, um, and when we can use it.

[01:39:42] Councilmember Pat Showalter: I think it might also come in handy for analyzing the canopy of the community. You know, you could literally measure the trees with photographs taken from drones. So I think there's, you know, there's a lot of utility for the drones. Okay, thank you so much. Thank you.

[01:40:01] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much. Any other questions from the council? Um, I did have a quick one, and my apologies, if my, if I misunderstood. Um, so, is there any, uh, legal prohibition against having the PCAP meeting serve as the, strikes me as the PCAP's gonna meet anyway? Um, it will probably be, uh, a higher profile meeting easier to um, publicize. Uh, could, uh, piece that meeting, fulfill the obligation under state law to have a community meeting.

[01:40:37] Assistant City Attorney Megan Marevich: The definition of the community engagement meeting, and the statute is very specific, and it says it should be held by a law enforcement agency. In this case, the city, that's the police department. So it, it being held by advisory body just wouldn't meet that criteria.

[01:40:53] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Okay, that's helpful. Um, then seeing no other questions from the, oh, council member show, Walter?

[01:41:02] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Um, could it be a joint meeting of the police department and the PCM?

[01:41:13] Assistant City Attorney Megan Marevich: I think we could get creative about procedurally. I am not sure how that would work, but I'm happy to discuss.

[01:41:18] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Thank you. I just brought that up because I think there's a general, you know, does, or I think the concept of involving a peace ab is really, is really sound. So I'd like to see a way for that to be formalized.

[01:41:34] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. Um, then we will turn to uh, the public. Would any, uh, member of the public on the line like to provide comment on this item. If so, please click the raise hand button and zoom or press star 9 on your phone. A timer will be displayed on the screen. Uh, let's go ahead and allocate 2 minutes. The 1st speaker is Tim McKenzie.

[01:42:00] Tim McKenzie: Hi, all, uh, at last month's peace ad meeting, in addition to military use policy, there was a presentation on the budget where we learned by MVPD's own numbers and admission that there are well over twice as many sworn officers as are needed, nearly 3 times as many as are needed for 247 coverage across the city. We furthermore learned that the distribution between sworn officers carrying weapons and community service officers is 3 to one, 75% are sworn officers, and 25% are community services agents. I reject the notion that public safety looks like uniformed people walking around in our streets with military weapons. That doesn't seem appropriate to me. I think public safety looks more like being able to bike to work or school without fearing for one's life. Um, I ask city council to reject the military use policy until such time as the percentage of sworn officers to community service agents, agencies within the police department has completely swapped so that we have three times as many community service agents, then we do people with military weapons. I don't think it is appropriate for military weapons. And the fact that if this is rejected, may require a huge reworking of policies, isn't necessarily a bad thing. You may have remembered back in 2020 when police officers in Buffalo pushed an old man over and caused him to fall and hit the ground and bleed from the head and get brain damage. It was just came out recently that it was decided that that was within the policy of the police department. Now, I'm not saying that that is the situation here, but just a reminder that just because things are within policy does not mean that they are necessarily a good policy, and I hope that this gets rejected until we swap sworn officers and community service agents.

[01:44:03] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much. The next speaker is Celine.

[01:44:08] Salim: Hi, uh, I'm Salim. Um, I thought this was a really interesting uh, agenda item. I did not know Mountain View Police Department had all these different, you know, categories of military equipment. I'm genuinely curious if anyone on city council knew that they had all these different types of equipment, chemical munitions, explosive breaching equipment, sniper rifles. Um, I knew that they had grown because it came up 2 years ago uh, at a council meeting, but, uh, did not know they had like tear gas. Um, And I think this speaks to a broader problem with policing. Um, and that's that There basically isn't very much oversight. Local officials typically don't get into local government because they want to, you know, um, like look over what the police department is doing. A lot of local officials get involved because of land use or bike infrastructure, and so cities have been deferring a lot of these decisions to the police departments. And, you know, I think, of course, we should make decisions about when to have these kinds of equipment just in case. Um, but we should make those decisions. Like, they should actually be decisions. The fact that we've just had this equipment for so long. And, like, I think most of us did not know that they had all these different types of military equipment is alarming, right? We haven't really been asking, like, how common is it that there's a critical event in a city like Mountain View? How common is it that a police could a police officer could mobilize that event, and then use a sniper rifle to end that critical event? I don't think we know. I also don't think we know if our public safety dollars would be better spent protecting children, biking to school, right? We could spend this money differently for public safety. Um, I'm open-minded to what those decisions end up being, but I just don't think we've even had these decisions as a city. Thank you.

[01:46:05] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much. The next speaker is Kevin Ma.

[01:46:11] Kevin Ma: Evening again, council. My name is Kamma, resident in the San Antonio neighborhood. I would, I understand that there is a list of items that the police have, as well as a list of gender items that was specified specifically by this assembly bill, that I would perhaps would like to see a policy that would exclude some of the items that we don't currently have. Like, I don't really see a case in the future where Mountain View Police Department needs water cannons, or giant Taser Shop Rape machine, or explosive projectiles, or a weaponized aircraft, or a Humvee anytime soon. But this policy as it stands, still leaves that open because it's not a band. It just says that we have a process to collect them in the future, but I think it would be more, I would be more confident in the city if we just get those off to the table in the 1st place rather than needing to just come back in the future. Um, I do, I wrote, I knew the South airport that says that there are various of these items that basically haven't been used, right? Chemical munitions ever been used. Sniper rifles. The last one was used, was for a person who barricaded himself in a building, which I, as an outsider, would say, that's a weighted out game, but obviously I was not in situation, so I can't fully say that. Um, explosive reaching equipment that has never been used. I understand that police are imagined to be prepared for risky scenarios, but... That is kind of a maintenance cost, not necessarily financial, just someone has to do that stuff, that perhaps focuses the police resources on situations that monthly just never happen. Whereas the things that do happen, stolen bikes, they have don't really get addressed with any of these flashy equipment. Yeah, those are my comments.

[01:48:07] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much. The next speaker is Alex Brown.

[01:48:12] Alex Brown: Hey, Chris. Uh, as a participant in MVPDX, I just want to say I feel cheated that I was not invited to either play with the drones or the deck cord. I feel like if I want, if I'm supposed to get a picture of what MVPD is and can do that I want, the full breadth of it, and I want to be able to breach a wall using decor. That sounds like fun. Thank you.

[01:48:36] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. Thinking, no, other members of the public wishing to speak, I will now bring the item back for council deliberation and action, and note that a motion to approve the recommendation should also include reading the title of the ordinance attached to the report. Uh, are, uh, any comments, um, or if not, emotion is in order. Council member Meta Check.

[01:49:04] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thank you. So, um, I appreciate the police department and the legal department putting this together, um, while I was aware of some of these items. I wasn't aware of all of them. Um, but I think they keep takeaway from me is, um, These items are not used very frequently, and they are used for very specific, narrowly defined, uh, circumstances. And so, um, it's not like they are used every day, they're there just in case. Um, and, um, I appreciate the PCAB taking a look at this. And asking questions, I actually watched that PCM meeting and, um, I thought they had good questions. Um, and um, I'm prepared to support this. I'm very comfortable with it. Um, I only see one other hand up. Um, so I'm happy to make a motion or I can wait. Make a motion?

[01:50:05] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: I'll move the staff recommendation, which is to introduce an ordinance of the city of Mountain View, adding section 2.69.3, entitled Military Equipment Policy, to the Mountain View City Code, in compliance with Assembly Bill, 481, to be read in title only for the reading waived, and to set a 2nd reading from May 10, 2022. Thank you.

[01:50:32] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. Council number Shovel.

[01:50:35] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Well, I'm prepared to 2nd it, but I, I was wondering, I'm, I'm liking asking, uh, is there some way that we can include, um, the, uh, or is it included the, uh, referenced by the, I mean, the review by the Peace Ab every year? Is that included in this ornaments? I'm unclear after I listened to the discussion, whether it's included or it was just a possibility, because it, I, that's something I think would be, um, good to assign to them as review of this. Is that included?

[01:51:13] Assistant City Attorney Megan Marevich: It is not currently included.

[01:51:17] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Um, well, uh, Council member Matachek, could we add, um, uh, PSAB would, would review this report, um, as part of this procedure? Are you happy with that?

[01:51:33] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: So, um, I guess I would like to understand, do we also then have to have a separate meeting that's held by the police department? Which means it would be reviewed, or we'd have 3 separate times. Pisa police department, city council. Um, or could we combine any of those? I don't have any problems with the piece of, you know, reviewing it. I just I'm worried about the number of meetings.

[01:52:02] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yeah, I'm a little worried about that too, which is why I asked the question about, could they conceivably have a joint meeting, but at the same time, I feel like we have just found it, this public safety advisory board, and their job is really to help us with the oversight of the police and understand what our police does in our community. And it seems like this is a, you know, this is a job that's really appropriate for them. So I would really like them to be involved. Now, I'm fine. It wouldn't be part of the ordinance, but it would just be a separate item saying that, um, we would like to have the PSAB involved. Um, I would say I'd like to have the PCAB and the police department have a joint meeting, um, if we can find a way to do that. Um, and then it also comes to council. So I'm happy to include that.

[01:52:56] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: But not as part of the ordinance because I don't want to change the ordinance.

[01:52:59] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yeah, that sounds good to me. Okay. Thanks. I'll second that.

[01:53:08] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thanks for the confirmation. Any other comments? Council member lever.

[01:53:17] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Good question. Um, if, if additional uh, weapons or tools or vehicles or anything are, are added, um, during the year, would that, would the public be able to know about that at the time of the budget adoption?

[01:53:45] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: Council member labor. Can you repeat the question?

[01:53:48] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Um, so I'm very pleased to see that we don't have any category 13 weapons right now. Um, how would counsel and the public know if there was a plan to add those?

[01:54:03] Police Chief Chris Hsiung: So, thank you for repeating that, council member labor. So if the police department is required under this new law and ordinance to bring forward any new purchases, it would have to come to council. So it would depend on the timing of that. So it could potentially be in the budget, but under this law, I would imagine that we would have to bring a separate item, to counsel to approve it, specifically if it falls under that list of all those items, but I would ask the city attorney to confirm that.

[01:54:36] Assistant City Attorney Megan Marevich: Right. So under our inventory, is it attached the policy? So we're confined to the categories currently in possession by the police department, so you can add, for example, um, category 13, if that's when you referenced, um, without an amendment to the current policy.

[01:54:54] Councilmember Sally Lieber: So I don't want to uh, introduce category 13 weapons into our city. So, um, I'm fine with it not being part of the policy, I just want to find out how council and the public could know if the inventory was enlarged in terms of the types of the categories.

[01:55:18] Assistant City Attorney Megan Marevich: The policy would have to be submitted for approval with an, with an amendment adding those categories.

[01:55:26] Councilmember Sally Lieber: So the public would be

[01:55:28] Assistant City Attorney Megan Marevich: would be having a public meeting.

[01:55:33] Councilmember Ellen Kamei: And if I may, um, uh, mayor, if I can just jump in on the category 13, um, topic, uh, looking at those, uh, items in there, there's nothing philosophically I would be in support of of bringing that to our city. Thank you.

[01:55:52] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. Life mare.

[01:55:56] Vice Mayor Alison Hicks: So I'll be brief. I will be supporting the motion. I think the most important. One of the more important things about this is that it's a process. It's a, a lot to digest, all in one rating, and I certainly wouldn't want to be thrown out right and laughed on the dice right now. Um, uh, but I think this is a process and I, I appreciate that council member Mattachek and and show her added the PCEb going over this as well because I think that's one of the reasons that we formed the PCEB. So I'm happy that we're passing this and that we're, that we'll have annual review by the community, the PCAB and Council, that feels appropriate to me. So thank you.

[01:56:41] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. Uh, city attorney? Do you want to play in?

[01:56:46] Assistant City Attorney Megan Marevich: Yes, good evening. I just wanted to provide a little bit of clarification with regard to the peace of, um, meeting and then the community meeting that is to be held by the law enforcement agency. We're definitely going to look into combining that meeting into one meeting. Um, I will point out that the AB, um, 41 is new, and I'm sure that there will be some later clarification regarding that because there are many cities that have, um, advisory bodies like PSAB that should weigh in on, and on items like this. So we will work to combine that requirement into one meeting, so there's only that meeting and then city council.

[01:57:33] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you for the clarification. Uh, Council member, show Walter, just to be clear, the motion on the floor is the staff recommendations plus a request for staff to evaluate the feasibility of combining the required community meeting with a regularly scheduled PCF meeting. That, a fair assessment.

[01:57:55] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yeah, that's that's what I meant. Yeah, and I, I, I just, To restate. I really think it's important to as we found this. I mean, it's only been going for years. We found this advisory board, that they have important and appropriate work to do. And I think this this definitely falls into that category.

[01:58:17] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. And my apologies, Councilman Rumatachek actually made the motion. Uh, go ahead, pass the number.

[01:58:22] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Yeah, I just wanted to clarify, um, why I think it's a good idea to have, um, a combined meeting, um, not just the fact that it's fewer meetings, but the PCAB is, uh, an established, uh, board. And so I think people are more apt to take notice of their meetings than they would a completely separate meeting. And there might be greater attendance at that, because it is an established board. So that's, in addition to fewer meetings, I think it's important that they be combined because it's an existing forum. Thanks.

[01:59:00] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. We have a motion by council member Mattachak 2nded by council member show Walter. Are there any other questions or comments? That is the motion clear?

[01:59:13] City Clerk Heather Glaser: It is,

[01:59:13] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: then we'll go ahead and proceed with a roll call, though.

[01:59:17] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Counselor Matachek?

[01:59:18] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Yes.

[01:59:19] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Council member Shelter?

[01:59:21] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yes?

[01:59:21] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Councilman Rabbit Koga?

[01:59:24] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Hi.

[01:59:25] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Council member Lieber?

[01:59:26] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Hi.

[01:59:27] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Vice Mayor Hicks.

[01:59:29] Vice Mayor Alison Hicks: Yeah.

[01:59:30] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Mayor Ramirez.

[01:59:32] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Yeah.

[01:59:33] City Clerk Heather Glaser: Motion carry unanimously.

[01:59:37] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you very much, and thank you, uh, Chief, and Ms. Marovich for your presentation, and for joining us. Uh, we will now move on to item 7 council staff committee reports. Are there any? You don't have to be. Council member Lieber.

[01:59:58] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Thank you, mayor. Well, I I noticed that, uh, Mr. Tim Mackenzie, um, referenced, uh, the Muakma, and there's actually an event coming up on the 30th at Santa Clara University that's going to be a day long cultural event with the Muakma tribe. And, um, uh, the URL for it is um, Wechma.org. And I think that that should be quite interesting for people from our area. Also, I wanted to report on the Bay Restoration Authority, uh, that we will have a tribal engagement policy coming forward in October, and we're hoping to spread it to other jurisdictions as well. So more, um, more to be coming on that as, as things develop. Thank you.

[02:00:49] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. Council member, Abi Koga.

[02:00:53] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Thanks, mirror, sorry. Um, I had a couple of items to report out on. Um, so on Saturday, uh, Silicon Valley Clean Energy celebrated their 5th anniversary, um, and I was gonna ask to show the video. There's a nice video that stuff put together, but it is 5 minutes long. So I think I'll just send it to all of you and probably will post it on my Facebook site too. But, um, a lot has been accomplished in 5 years and, um, we have a lot to be proud of as one of the founding, um, for agencies of SVCE. Um, at the air district. Uh, we have, uh, the retire, we had the retirement of our Appco, which is the air pollution control officer, are basically our head person, uh, Jack Broadbrent, and we are in, um, to begin a, about to begin a search for a new Appco. We also passed new sequa thresholds for evaluating significance of climate impacts from land use projects and plants. So what does that mean? Um, it's mostly advisory, but um, this is basically, um, giving some guidelines on, you know, what would be, um, acceptable ways of, um, reducing GHG emissions. So some of the, um, suggested guidelines include things like, um, with, you know, this is all land juice and building, um, no gas appliances, a reduction of EMT, um, EV charging stations. So a lot of the work that the cities have already been doing, have now been incorporated into these new sequa threshold guidelines. Um, So, um, that, that was, uh, I think a major, um, achievement to to have that move up, um, to the air district level. Um, BTA, we had a workshop on Friday, uh, where we went through, um, the, uh, the finance assessment that's being conducted, a report on that, um, that kind of gave us like a 10 year projection of VTA finances, um, as well as VTA Ford. This is a plan to strengthen and prepare the VTA workforce for challenges ahead. So, as you know, we have a new general manager, and um, with her, uh, um, staff has engaged in this plan to try to, um, one, just recover from COVID, um, but looking forward, um, looking for ways to improve, hopefully improve, um, the workforce and improve improve service for our writers. Thank you.

[02:03:41] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. Council member Mattachek.

[02:03:45] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thank you So, um, we covered a lot of topics that our retreat on Saturday, one of the ones that we didn't get to, um, that I was hoping we would, um, is to talk a little bit about what is required to be disclosed, uh, so to speak, um, under the council staff committee reports, which is typically item 8. And it's interesting. I went and read the policy, and it is different than what I was told when I was 1st elected. And I was told we had to, for example, disclose when we did something that required city funds to be spent, like attending a conference. And that's not in the policy. So, um, I was wondering if, um, my colleagues would, um, refer this item to the CPPC to take a look at this so that we're clear on what we do need to disclose and maybe some guidelines, um, around that area. since it's different than what I expected to see.

[02:04:58] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Uh, Council number show altered, did you want to respond to the request or is this on a different matter? Okay. Go ahead.

[02:05:06] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yeah, you know, um, Council, I'm around, check. I'm really glad that you brought that up. Because, um, not only do, I think it's important, um, to look at what we uh, what we need to report. But I also think that we go to a lot of regional meetings and we learn a lot personally when we go to them, but I don't think we do a very good job of sharing it with one another. And, um, I would like to talk about, and normally, I mean, this is early. It's only 8 o'clock, so we're relatively fresh, but oftentimes when we get to this point in the meeting, it's like at 11 or 12 o'clock or one in the morning, and we're exhausted, and nobody wants to listen to, you know, these reports. So, um, so, uh, I think they kind of fall on deaf ears, and they they don't have the impact that they should have. So I would also like this analysis to consider other ways to us, for us to communicate that information, um, either by just sharing emails with everybody, which we have gotten legal advice over years is either, um, I've gotten legal advice some of the time I was on council, but that was acceptable to send something to the whole council, and then I've gotten legal advice more recently than it was not acceptable. So I would like to know, you know, um, if I want to write up a little report about one, uh, something that's happened at a regional meeting. Can I just share it with my council member? So I would like all those things to be considered in this, um, uh, I think that there's, you know, definitely room for improvement. So thanks for bringing it up.

[02:06:43] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. Um, I guess by show of hands, uh, the council comfortable with referring. I don't, uh, council member Manachek, off the top of your head, do you know which policy it is? Of the number?

[02:06:55] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: It's part of A13.

[02:06:58] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: A13. Okay, so, uh, the request is to refer, uh, I guess, a review of A13 to the CPPC, all in favor.

[02:07:07] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: So it's just a part of it. There's a lot in A13. So this specific component related to report backs as part of the council staff committee reports.

[02:07:18] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Okay, there is, or, uh, looks like unanimous. Great. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any other reports? Comments, questions. If not, then we will proceed to the most exciting part of the agenda. The closed session report. City attorney lobe, do you have a closed session report?

[02:07:42] City Attorney Jennifer Logue: Um, no, there are no, there was no action in close section to report today.

[02:07:49] Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Okay, fantastic. And we'll move on to Adjournment. Thank you so much for joining us. Our next council meeting will be held on May 10th, 2022. Until then stay healthy. The meeting is adjourned at 808 PM. Good night, everyone.

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