March 23, 2021 Regular Meeting of Mountain View City Council

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[00:00:06] (archive recording) Mayor Ellen Kamei: All right, good afternoon everyone. This meeting will be conducted in accordance with the state of California. Executive order N dash 29 dash 20, dated March 17, 2020. All members of the city council are participating in this meeting by video conference with no physical meeting location. Members of the public wishing to observe the meeting live may do so at mountain view.legisar.com on YouTube at mountain view.gov slash YouTube and on Comcast channel 26. As noted on the meeting agenda, members of the public may provide oral public comments during the comment period for the item by signing up at mountainview.gov backslash cc underscore speakers or by phone by dialing 669-9009128 and entering webinar ID 957-7508-2689. Any emails received by 430 p.m. today. We're received directly by the city council. Emails received after 430 p.m. will not be read during the meeting, but will be entered into the record for the meeting. All votes will be taken by roll call vote. So we'll move on to our roll call with our interim city clerk, Miss Under London, who will take attendance.

[00:01:27] (archive recording) Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Oh, so member Abi Koga? Council member Hicks.

[00:01:33] (archive recording) Councilmember Alison Hicks: Here.

[00:01:34] (archive recording) Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Kelso member Lieber.

[00:01:30] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Sure.

[00:01:31] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Council member Metachek,

[00:01:33] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: here.

[00:01:34] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Tell some of a show Walter,

[00:01:36] Councilmember Pat Showalter: here,

[00:01:36] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: by Sierra Ramirez.

[00:01:39] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Here.

[00:01:40] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Mayor Kamei.

[00:01:41] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Here.

[00:01:42] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Thank you.

[00:01:43] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Can you all hear me? okay? Or

[00:01:45] Unknown Speaker: all right. So so?

[00:01:46] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay, here I can try to put these in. I'm at a different, Trying a different room tonight, so hold on. Is this better?

[00:02:01] Unknown Speaker: Yeah, it's better.

[00:02:02] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay. All right. I will go this route. All right. So we'll move on to item two, which is our study session. We'll begin our study session with the rental housing committee applicant interviews. During tonight's interview process, each applicant will be asked 2 questions, and the interview will be 5 minutes total per person. So 1st we'll start with public comment. Would any member of the public on the line like to provide comment on this item? If so, please, click the raise hand button in Zoom, or press star 9 on your phone. The interim city clerk will time the public comment and we can just leave that to 2 minutes, Ms. Fonderlanden. All right. And I see one raised hand. Is the timer ready? Great. All right, Tim Mackenzie.

[00:02:53] Tim Mackenzie: Hi, uh, to Kensi, he and pronouns live in Monteloma neighborhood. Um, I just want to uh, with the rental housing committee appointments. I just want to give a little reminder that 2 landlords is the maximum number of landlords, not a minimum number, so there do not need to be 2 landlords, but most importantly, RHC is tasked with administering rent control in Mountain View. So I should hope that everyone who is, uh, who will end up being appointed is, uh, not philosophically opposed to rent control, um, at the federal level, for the past 4 years, we've seen enough regulatory capture where, uh, people that are opposed to the very agency that they're trying to run are put in positions of power, most uh, egregiously with Betsy DeVos as the education secretary. It's great. We're not having that at the federal level. I hope that we can have a similar thing in Mountain View, where there is not ideological opposition to the very thing that people are being tasked with. And I'd also hope that, uh, it's not too much to ask that all of council members votes can be allocated before, uh, choosing how to deal with potential ties. Thank you. And good luck on choosing between the great candidates. I'm sure you'll do a great job.

[00:04:19] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Anna Marie Morales.

[00:04:24] Anna Marie Morales: Hi there, everyone. Um, thank you for this today. I'm very excited to see how this goes. Um, I really kind of want to echo what Tim said. I feel it's really important. We have, you know, a fair process in place. And I think it's a huge issue if we don't have people who, you know, philosophically believe in rent control on some level. We have to have representation. I'm a mobile home resident. Um, we'd like to see someone, um, or multiple people, um, actually on the RHC representing us and looking out for our best interests. So I really am hopeful that, um, this inner view process will go well. And um, yeah, thank you guys so much.

[00:05:13] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. Uh, next up, Mountain View resident.

[00:05:22] Public Speaker: Great, thank you. Can you hear me?

[00:05:25] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes.

[00:05:26] Public Speaker: Okay. Right. I just kind of want to echo what the prior 2 speakers said. Um, I think if you look at the history of the RHC, the city council back in 2018, Uh, appointed people that were, uh, publicly opposed to rent control, uh, appointed them to the RHC, and that's why we're in the predicament that we're in right now, particularly mobile home residents. So I would just like to ask people to, whoever you pick, to a rent control, which is what the voters voted for back in 2016. I would also ask if the RHC is going to be responsible for administering a mobile home ordinance, I think it makes sense to have a mobile home resident on the RHC, not as an alternate, but as a sitting member of the RHC. There's a few really good candidates available tonight that are in the mobile home parks and can represent the needs of the 1300 families, to live in Mountain View 6 parks. So please, Um, I would also like to point out that there's some people interviewing today, that if you look at their voting record, on the RHC and listen to the comments they make. They're, they're not really supportive of rent control, and I would ask you to take that consideration when you pick uh, people this evening. Thank you.

[00:07:22] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. All right, those are all our public comment speakers, so let's bring it back to council. So I believe there are 2 questions, uh, that are available, and, um, I'll try to, uh, let me get that and we can see if there's council discussion. So the 2 questions drafted were number one, tell us about yourself and the union. Factors or abilities, you would. In commission. What do you think your legal counsel is in the rental housing commission's decision making process? So open to, um, conversation about these 2 items and I am just trying to grab a pen so that I can take note of the changes. Council member hits.

[00:08:08] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Let's see, did you sorry, Mayor, did you call on me because your voice went out for a 2nd?

[00:08:14] Mayor Ellen Kamei: So I said, your hand is up.

[00:08:17] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Okay, great. Um, so I looked over the 2 questions. The 1st one, tell us about yourself, et cetera, sounds good to me. The 2nd one, tell us about the role of the legal counsel, et cetera. is um, well, with a short amount of time. It's not the main thing I want to hear. What I would like to hear is what people think of the role of the RHC, what do they think is the purpose of the RHC would be? What I would turn that question into. Thank.

[00:08:54] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay, can you repeat that one more time? So for question one, you'd like it to say, what do you think the role of the RHC is?

[00:09:00] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Question one I'm happy with.

[00:09:02] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay. which is the, um, tell us about yourself question.

[00:09:07] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Okay. 2 that says, what's the role of legal counsel? I would prefer to hear what's the role of the RHC or of CISFRA? I guess maybe even, you know, what's the role of ceasefra in the city. and the RHC. is what I would like to hear.

[00:09:32] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Nice man, Ramirez.

[00:09:36] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. So I, uh, I ordinarily like that question. You know, what is, uh, the role of the body that you will wish to serve on, and I think incorporating that, uh, has has a lot of merit. But I do think this question is, is important and unique to the RHC because they have their own legal council, and they actually make decisions. They have authority over matters that have, uh, that can place both the RHC and the city potentially at legal risk. Uh, so I do think it's important to get an understanding of each of the applicants, perception of the role of their legal counsel, whether they would listen to their legal counsel, and if they wouldn't, under what circumstances.

[00:10:26] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Council member Mattachek.

[00:10:29] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thanks. On this one, I do agree with the vice mayor. I think it is important to understand the RHC members perspective on the Legal Council. I'm actually, um, fine with the 2 questions as they were written. Thanks.

[00:10:44] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Kelso Pepper Hicks.

[00:10:49] Councilmember Alison Hicks: So, um, off the top of my head, I can't remember how many minutes we're allocating each, uh, each

[00:10:58] Mayor Ellen Kamei: five.

[00:10:59] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Okay, thank you. Yeah, for 5 minutes, you know, I'm fine hearing, uh, what people think about, uh, the role of legal council, but I don't think I need a full 2.5 minutes on that. I think we could say, as we did last time, what's the role of, of VRAC, of legal counsel, and maybe of the, uh, cease for itself, in the city.

[00:11:28] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay, and so when you're saying that you mean the CSFRA? Is that the acronym you're saying? I just want to make sure that we're in a spot.

[00:11:39] Councilmember Alison Hicks: That is.

[00:11:42] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay. And you say ceifsra. Okay. Well, maybe you're saying it right.

[00:11:48] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Oh, I don't know. I feel like tomato, tomato.

[00:11:50] Mayor Ellen Kamei: I just want to make sure everybody knows what we're talking about. Great. Thank you, Council member Hicks, Council member Lieber.

[00:11:57] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Thank you, Mayor. I do think that just asking, what do you think the role of legal counsel is, might, might leave some information out. And I would like to ask them about, what do they think the role of the body that they're applying to is in terms of the city. And so I'm wondering if we might be able to split the difference by saying, um, can you talk about how you see the the role of, uh, the committee and, um, how you see the fact that the committee is empowered with its own legal counsel?

[00:12:37] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay. So I'm hearing 2 colleagues who would like to ask a little bit more about what's the role? of the HRC. And is anyone else interested in doing that? We can maybe add that into question two. Okay. All right. So question one will stand, which is tell us about yourself and what unique perspectives or abilities you would bring to the rental housing commission. Question two, what do you think? How about what do you think the role? of the HRC is, and the role of your legal counsel. in the rental housing commission's decision making process. Does that work? I'm open to finessing. But I think we can ask both. That, okay. Right. I'm seeing I'm seeing some heads nodding. All right, so why don't we just proceed and see how we go? So last week? I've had the pleasure of asking all 13 applicants all the questions and I think this week I'd love to share the love. So, there are 7 applicants and there are 7 of us. So perhaps we can just rotate around and ask if that if that works for folks. Um, great. All right. I will make sure to keep us on time. I will be our timekeeper. So I will start and then we can go to Vice Mayor Ramirez. Great. All right. So, um, 1st up is Nicole Haynes, live say. Hi, Nicole.

[00:14:45] Nicole Haynes: Hello, everyone. How are you?

[00:14:47] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay, I'm right. Let me start our 5 minute timer. Alright. So, um, please tell us about yourself and what unique perspectives or abilities you would bring to the rental housing commission.

[00:15:03] Nicole Haynes: Sure. So, um, 1st of all, I hope everyone can hear me okay. If not, please let me know. Um, I am currently actually a member of the RHC. I joined the RHC in January of 2019 as an alternate. And then when Vanessa Honey resigned in January of 2020. I moved into a role where I was the alternate butt voting because we need a tech quarum. In August of 2020. I was confirmed as a full voting member and my 1st meeting was the September meeting where I was voting. So I've been on the RHC now for, let's call it, 2 years and 2 months roughly, in some form of fashion, and I've enjoyed my time. I enjoy working with the community. I enjoy working with other members of the committee. Um, from a personal background point of view, I am a resident in Mountain View. I moved to Mountain View in February of 2016. And I have lived both in apartments which were covered under the CSFRA, as well as I currently live in a rental townhome that is considered an excluded union unit due to it being a condo type ownership. Um, I believe that this gives me somewhat a unique perspective on how the CSFRA impacts different groups of renters. And I really have enjoyed my time living in Mountain View. My husband and I moved from Dallas, and we've lived several different places throughout our lives, but it's been an um, fun and interesting transition to living in the area. Professionally. I do risk and compliance for a large brokerage firm, and I basically deal with day-to-day risk and legal decisions every day, um shortly before I was on this call. I was dealing with some. And so I enjoy the components of the CSFRI whereby we get to weigh the pros and cons of our decision and make a risk-based decision that is best for our community. It's, um, really been enjoyable to see how different people's perspectives come into play there and how we can work through everyone's different life experiences to find something that should, hopefully, the goal is always work for the community for all stakeholders. So that's sort of my background in why I wanted to join.

[00:17:30] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. So what do you think the role of the HRC is, uh, sorry, R RHC is, and, uh, the role of the legal counsel in the rental housing commission's decision making process?

[00:17:44] Nicole Haynes: Sure. So large fee is primarily an administrative body. We are independent from council and that we're not an advisory board, but we are still cast with administering a certain statute, that is the CSFRI. We do have a. I don't want to say quasi-judicial because that oversteps our back, but we do have a limited role in the hearing process whereby we do hear appeals, and we do have the ability to refirm, affirm the decision remanded or overturn it. Uh, we primarily, though, are administrative, meaning that we administer the CSFRA, and we also work to find opportunities where perhaps the initial drafting was unclear or requires a little bit of massage. To get to the goals for the community. And so we help to develop new regulations and new processes, most notably right now, capital improvements process. We just finished last night. Um, we just passed that. As far as legal council. I mean, a legal counsel is counsel, meaning that they give advice. Our council, I personally think is phenomenal. I love our staff. I love our council. But when you're, Seeking counsel, you are seeking advice, it doesn't mean that you will always go along with the advice because there may be reasons not to, but it is, advice that carry significant weight. And when dealing with matters such as this, if you are not in the industry, and this is not your primary function, your day job, if you will, the council from your legal partners should carry heavy weight, and you do have to behave in my view, at least, as a prudent person would, meaning that you do not want to take on risks. That could have adverse outcomes for the CFF or as a whole or for the city, because in a long term view, that's not the best outcome for the stakeholders. So I tend to see legal counsel as giving advice and guidance, but their advice and guidance who should be weighed heavily in decision making processes.

[00:19:58] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Perfect. my timer is just going off right now Great. Well, thank you so much for your time, Nicole.

[00:20:06] Nicole Haynes: No problem. Thank you all and have a lovely evening.

[00:20:09] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. All right. Next is James Lee.

[00:20:31] James Lee: Hi there. you guys all hear me?

[00:20:33] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes. Hi, Jane. All right. Okay, so I'm going to start the timer and our vice mayor is going to ask you a few questions.

[00:20:43] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Hi James, thank you for applying. The 1st question is, uh, please tell us about yourself and what unique perspectives or abilities you would bring to the rental housing commission?

[00:20:55] James Lee: Yeah, so I've lived in Mountain View since 1992. I moved here from China at that time. I was all but six. Um, and I, we've always ever rented. So without going through, you know, the entirety of the answer to my statement. Um, we've always rented. Um, we came from a family where, you know, minimum wage was probably the most that we could make at that time. But what rental housing really has done for us is it's it's made me be able to go to school. I went to Landl's. I went to Graham, Mountain View High. Um, and and I was the 1st to go to UCSB, right? Um, so, for us, it for me, it means a lot. It means a lot what rental housing has done for us. Um, and, You know, I believe I have a lot to offer, um, the RHC. Um, I have worked in retail management for about 7 years. Um, and I currently serve on the HOA um, board um, of our condo in Phoenix. Um, so, it, it, My, my day job is a, you know, I work at a CPA firm. So I, you know, look at spreadsheets every single day. So, you know, you would say that my expertise is in numbers. Um, and based on kind of what I understand this this role being, that is a huge part of it. Um, so I think that would give me a leg up in, um, in kind of providing a very different view on it. So. Yeah.

[00:22:34] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Great. Thank you. And the 2nd question is, uh, what do you think the role of the RHC is and what is the role of the RHC's legal counsel in the decision making process?

[00:22:46] James Lee: So, I believe in the, the mission of the RHC, which is envisioned by the CSFRA, I'm not going to say the, um, but that, that is mainly to promote healthy and affordable housing. And that's really why this exists. Um, you know, I, we have lived in a Mo, Moffat. Um, so I think one of the the huge things is there are many issues coming up with the RHC that we have to be able to to can end with. And the fact that I live in a mobile home park, that really wasn't the reason why I applied. Um, but I think what the RHC um, does is, is, you know, we have to contend with with these issues. Um, you know, mobile home issue being one. Um, you know, vacancy rates being one. And, you know, with with COVID, rent prices have gone down. So, um, you know, I heard some of the speakers say uh, rent control and whether I, you know, would believe in it or not. I mean, that's up to council to, um, you know, vote in whatever way. Um, the main thing is I neither believe or say that I support it. I think it is something that we have to contend with with every single story. Um, Every single petition has has a human story, just, you know, just like mine. So, um, and in terms of the 2nd question, Council is just that, legal council. It is another point of view that we have to listen to. Um, and they are there to make sure that we don't break any laws. They are there to make sure that, um, you know, we are here and and we don't put Mountain View at risk. So, um, that would be the role. It is, in fact, just to give counsel on legal matters.

[00:24:45] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Great, thank you very much. Thank you.

[00:24:49] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thanks, James. Is there questions then? Appreciate it. All right, let's see, I believe next is Emily Ramos. All right, Castle River Hicks, would you be willing to do these questions?

[00:25:09] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Would be willing.

[00:25:10] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great.

[00:25:11] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Emily. Thank you for coming and making time to interview. Um, I'm gonna ask you 2 questions, and the 1st is, please tell us about yourself and what unique perspectives or abilities you would bring to the rental housing committee.

[00:25:31] Emily Ramos: Um, Um, great. My name is Emily Ramos. I have actually been on the committee since I was 1st appointed with the original, I wouldn't say class, but the original board in April of about 2017. Um, I, uh, my day job involves, um, Currently, uh, working with a county supervisor right now on a, uh, off project. Um, and I, uh, my unique perspective for the board is, um, I, Sorry, I just got really hurt for a quick 2nd. Um, I, uh, The, the,

[00:26:18] Councilmember Alison Hicks: So it's what unique perspectives you bring to the RHC.

[00:26:26] Emily Ramos: Um, I am currently the only person on the board that is in a rent controlled unit. I'm also, um, I also have the knowledge and the experience of already implementing this law. We went through all our petition process, our fair rate of return standards. You learn a lot about this law when you have to like dig into it, that you don't, that that's neither something that you just look up in a book or, um, uh, just read about. You really kind of live through it. And then you live through all the problems and you live through all the, the, the gray areas and you have to work on, um, dealing with all the people in relation to it because no one really pays attention to, there's a lot of laws that people don't pay attention to until they're in, they have a problem with it. And so by the time that happens, people are going to be very upset, people are going to be scared, and it is kind of our job. I'm, I'm now debing off to the next question of the RHC to, to find, um, ways, uh, to clarify that gray area, to make it clear to the community, to, um, to make the, the law, and um, how it works, um, where you can, um, Uh, not be afraid of the law, essentially. And the role of legal counsel is because rent control is a is a heavily litigated subject matter. Um, they are vastly important, uh, for us to, to know, essentially what is allowed. What can we do? What are the parameters of of, um, the decisions that we can make? Um, they will advise us, um, where there might be changes in the law, where, um, How far can we push? How much should we reel back? Um, and that is largely the role of of legal counsel. They are with us every step of the way in our decisions. They are advising us in close and open session. Um, and they have a strong voice. in determining what what we can do. Um, and it's also, I'm hoping also the part of our legal counsel, since we do select our legal council, um, for their expertise in our particular, uh, matters, but also that they work with legal council of the city, um, because we also what we, the decisions we make, um, affect the city as well. We're all in this together.

[00:29:05] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Okay, well, mayor, I don't know if you're timing this, if Emily has more time or if we're done now.

[00:29:11] Mayor Ellen Kamei: I'm sorry, I wasn't.

[00:29:13] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Oh yeah, no, it's no problem.

[00:29:14] Mayor Ellen Kamei: She has about a minute left. I think she started going into question 2 territory. So I don't know. You want to ask it just in case?

[00:29:21] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Yeah, so I don't know if you have any additional comments. It seems like you did the role of legal counsel, but any more comments on the role of the RHC in the city.

[00:29:35] Emily Ramos: So the RHC's job is to administrate and implement the CSFRA, which the goal of the CSFRA is to prevent displacement. Um, and in that, well, um, while keeping a fair rate of return for housing providers. And, um, As we did that, we determined when we 1st create our fair rate of return standards and there are several all across the state, um, that we could have decided through and we made that decision and we, It, as time goes on, we look at our CSFRA and how it lives and breeds almost, kind of like how people talk about the Constitution as a living document. The CSFRA also is living in itself because you don't know where, um, the gray areas will pop up because they always do. You've seen significant changes in the law when COVID hit and the post-recovery. We're going to see how that will, um, affect, um, our law and it'll affect how we make our decisions going into the future. Um, I'm happy to answer any other questions.

[00:30:46] Councilmember Alison Hicks: I think you're coming to the end of your time.

[00:30:48] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yeah, that was the timer. That was the timer. So perfect. Thanks, Emily.

[00:30:53] Emily Ramos: Thank you so much.

[00:30:54] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. All right. Next is Keating Rhodes. And council member Abi Koga. Do you mind doing that one? Great. Thank you.

[00:31:06] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Hi Keating. Heating you're muted if you're trying.

[00:31:16] Keating Rhodes: I'm unmuted now.

[00:31:17] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Okay. Yes, we can hear you now. Okay. Welcome, welcome on. Are you able to turn your camera on by chance?

[00:31:24] Keating Rhodes: No, it should be on. Let's see. There it is. How about that?

[00:31:35] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Good, good. always good to see you. Okay, thank you. Well, welcome, welcome, thank you for applying. I have 2 questions for you. Never mind. Um, and we have 5 minutes um, for your response. Number one, can you please tell us about yourself and what unique skills and perspectives you would bring to the RHC?

[00:31:55] Keating Rhodes: Great, and thank you for your time this afternoon. My wife and I are homeowners here in Mountain View. And have been so for just under 9 years. Um, maybe the most important thing you can know about me is that I'm committed, um, to rent stabilization into the CSFRA. Um, whatever altruism there might appear to be in that commitment. Um, I want to do what I can to be reasonably assured. Um, um, and keep open the opportunity for my grandchildren's teachers to stay in Mountain View, to live where they teach. and also maintain a vibrant service, um, sector, retail sector, restaurant sector, uh, through helping renters, uh, afford to live here in Mountain View. Uh, in addition, uh, talking about me for just a minute, I've served on numerous not-for-profit boards. Uh, the most recent being about a decade's worth of service with the court appointed special advocates, both as a, um, an advocate and mentor to emancipation, age youth, and on, uh, county and statewide boards. I'm currently on the audit committee, California. Um, importantly, I think the experience I bring to this is both as a tenant and a landlord. In addition to a couple of residential rental properties, Um, I just completed 14 years of ownership, uh, in a commercial building, uh, here in the state with a partner. Uh, in the run up to that, we obviously, um, analyzed a couple 100, I shouldn't say, obviously, we did analyze a couple 100, uh, different properties to determine where we thought uh, we could achieve the returns we desired. Um, over the course of those 14 years. I was responsible for negotiating all the tenant agreements. So I had extensive experience in doing that. In addition to negotiating service agreements, uh, for cost side providers of services to our to our building. Um, Obviously, we had capital investments, additional capital investments following on the acquisition of the building. And the evaluation of those in terms of their appropriateness and need something that I was responsible for. Uh, they really confirm what we know to be the case, namely that, um, Owner profitability is required to have healthy housing. Just no question about that. My professional career often entailed facilities oversight. I worked both in situations where company facilities were rented, um, and owned. My education, experience, have made extensive use of financial statistical tools. They helped me understand not only the current status of the business that, um, I was in at that point, but also the consequences of pricing. and cost decisions going forward. Terribly important to be able to look out into the future as best you can, even given the uncertainty, and try to come to grips with the impact of your decisions.

[00:35:06] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Hey, thank you. And the next question is, what do you think the role of the RHC is? And what is the role of the legal counsel in the RHC's decision making process?

[00:35:20] Keating Rhodes: I think the role of the RHC is well described in the in the founding act, if you will. Um, I think the act itself, uh, puts a great frame, a balance frame around what we need to do to maintain healthy housing and stable situation for renters. Um, It's terribly important that word balance and word stabilization and the title have a lot of meaning to me. Um, In addition, I would say that, um, It's apparent in looking at 4 years that it's not a passive administrative function that being on the RHC is a very active function. With 40 plus resolutions that have been acted upon by the body. Um, dozens of pages of regulations that were intended for the implementation of the act. There's a lot of work, um, that has gone on, and of course, with pandemic, um, here with us today, there's a lot more remaining to be done to make sure that the housing environment remains stable and balanced as we work forward. When you talk about counsel, I'm quite familiar with dealing with, and working with counsel in a corporate environment. They are an important part of the team. I think being in a highly regulated environment, like housing, they're doubly important. They are advisors. They need to be a good partner to us and make sure that we stay. Um, in safe ground, legally, certainly, and that we manage risks appropriately.

[00:36:55] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Perfect.

[00:36:56] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Time's up. Great. Thank you so much, Katie. Right. Next is M Guadalupe Rosas. Sally, do you mind doing these questions?

[00:37:28] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Sorry about that. Sure. Thank you. I Guadalupe.

[00:37:32] M Guadalupe Rosas: Hi, Sally.

[00:37:33] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Hi, welcome. The 1st question that we have for you is, could you please tell us about your personal experience and what you would add to the rental housing committee?

[00:37:48] M Guadalupe Rosas: Well, 1st off, let me thank all of you for inviting me to this process. It's really, I feel really honored to be here. Especially with the uh, people who are also applying to the, to this position. is definitely an honor. Um, okay, so who am I? I am a mother of 3 beautiful young adults, um, that by the way, they were born here in Mountain View. So needless to say, I love mountain view. Um, so, That's who I am as a person. Uh, and then professionally, I am a um, union, organ slash organizer representative for workers United. And uh, I don't see that as a job, but I see that as a passion because it is about uh, working with people. and creating a relationship between, um, workers and, uh, people and uh, communities and so it's a passion for me. Um, what do I bring to the to the art see? Um, I think I bring experience. Actually, no, I bring experience. Because, In my work and what I do and what is my passion? Um, it is really about negotiating, um, contracts and what is, what is good for everybody? Uh, we want to make sure that the business did that, um, that we represent, that it stays solvent, because that means that there's going to be jobs and salaries and benefits for our members, which, um, is, is what I do, and I make sure that, that is fair and and equitable. Right? So that's that's that's how I see the CSFRA. So the CSFRA is a contract between, um, the community and, um, our government because, um, There's 2 parties, there are 2 divi- 2 parties here, right? The renter of the landlord, that sometimes there's some disputes. Well, we need something that can resolve in a safe and um, fair way. So for me, that's what I bring. I bring knowing and having the understanding and the knowledge and, um, The. Being responsible that this is a live document and in this document, it also, there's ramifications. Of families of people, of, of, they're not numbers, the human beings, um, So that, that is what I bring to, to the art sea, right? Um, also knowing, um, Being Hispanic or Latinx. Um, I have seen that, that, Here in the city, we have, Well, the numbers say they were 20% in the city, but in reality, I think we're more like 25%. And I do speak Spanish, and I believe that I can bring a lot of people who don't understand the CSFRA, and let them know that this is a live document, that they have the power to learn it, and to understand it, and to be okay with it, because that's what we are. We are people of laws. And um, when we, when we learn something, we have power. Um, so, I think that's, that's, that's why I'm.

[00:41:21] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Okay, great. And you went a little bit into this already, but can you talk about the role of the RHC within the community? And especially the role of the legal counsel that the RHC has.

[00:41:39] Guadalupe Rosas: Well, I'll be honest with you. So for me, the legal counsel, I have great respect for them because they are definitely people that actually understand the laws and help us understand the laws in which way, in which we, um, need to interpret them and see them. So they they do play a big role. Um, But I also take it upon myself to find out how the person who's going to be affected by the decisions that I make, to know, to reach out to them and find out how they're feeling, what would they like to see? Um, what can they live with? What can't they not live with? Um, because what I, like I said at the beginning is, this, this role is, is definitely a role that, has con, has serious consequences in people's lives. Um, I take that very serious. I am a person that loves mountain view and would like. And like the way it is and like the fact that it's prosperous, and I would like it to continue that way, but also that we keep a city that is diverse, that is, um, for everybody that everybody feels, um, listen to and welcomed in the city.

[00:42:55] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Well, thank you. those are both of the questions that we have for you. So thanks so much, Galupe.

[00:43:00] Guadalupe Rosas: Oh no, thank you for inviting me. It's a pleasure

[00:43:04] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thanks. All right, next is Matt Grunwald. Hi, Matt. Council member Mattachek, do you mind asking these questions?

[00:43:21] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Not at all.

[00:43:22] Mayor Ellen Kamei: perfect.

[00:43:24] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: On that.

[00:43:26] Matt Grunwald: Hello.

[00:43:27] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thanks for, um, reapplying, I guess I should say, to the RHC. Uh, we have 2 questions for you tonight, um, and we have 5 minutes for our time with you, and the mayor will keep track of that, and I'll start with the 1st question. Um, if you could tell us about yourself and what unique perspectives or abilities you would bring to the rental housing committee. That would be great,

[00:43:52] Matt Grunwald: sure. Thank you. And first, thanks for having me. It's been an honor to serve on the RHC. Um, so for me, I'm currently on the RHC coming to the end of a 4 year term. My day job is working as a customer analytics program manager for a local tech employer. Um, What I bring to, uh, What I bring to the RHC today. I hope is still aligned with my original intent for applying to the RHC, which was that I had a unique perspective in that I rented or have rented in Mountain View for many years and rented in San Francisco prior to that. And um, you know, had several. In addition to renting, uh, I also, uh, and a landlord in San Francisco. But currently I'm a homeowner, so I'm not in either camp where any of the law would affect me, but I have extensive experience with rent control, uh, from both the renter side and from the uh, landlord side. So just being able to bring that perspective. Um, you know, and and that perspective of balance. So for me, the CSFRA has language that establishes the balance between protecting against displacement, as well as guaranteeing a fair rate of return for landlords, that language, the way it's structured, as I've come to understand, is due to legal precedent where, in order to have an active and viable rent control law, that language needs to be in there. So, really trying to strike that balance, uh, between both sides and do, um, try to get, try to align or pursue outcomes that benefit the entire community.

[00:45:35] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thank you. And the 2nd question is, um, what do you think the role of the RHC is and what is the role of legal counsel? In the RHC's decision making process?

[00:45:50] Matt Grunwald: Sure. 1st and foremost, the role of the RC is to implement the law. So there are certain meetings that we have on an annual basis where we, for instance, just established the AGA for that year based on CPI. So, um, things that are pretty straightforward, that need to be done. Uh, and then I think there are, uh, gray areas of the law that need interpretation and, um, events that require new regs. And, um, I lean on both staff and legal counsel, I think, to guide us in that. Um, I think they've done a phenomenal job, especially one of the questions that I ask on a regular basis is, you know, to help us understand what other jurisdictions have done and uh, are doing in the past, and specifically for legal counsel, leveraging legal counsel to avoid, um, you know, potential litigation, you know, to characterize risk for us, to identify where there may be risk, um, especially when we're in meetings. I think having someone there that we can ask questions of to get their take on, you know, what we're talking about now, is this something that can be done and is legally defensible? Um, and in line with their interpretation of the CSFRA. So, um, helping to clarify that law. And then, you know, the legal council is key in translating what we're asking, uh, when we end a study session and we ask them to, um, write regs, uh, translating what we've asked and doing research and then coming back with with regs that, um, again, are defensible, solid, take care of, uh, take all the use cases into account. Um, yeah, again, uh, I couldn't be, um, you know, more satisfied with the, um, the job that the staff and we go council have done thus far.

[00:47:42] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Great. Thank you very much. Thank you.

[00:47:45] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Thanks, Matt. Those are our questions. Appreciate your time. All right, and our last applicant is Alexander Brown, and those questions will be asked by council member Michelle Walter.

[00:48:01] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Welcome, Alex. Thanks for applying for this role.

[00:48:05] Alex Brown: It's kind of jarring because I can't hear you while it's turning me into a panelist.

[00:48:11] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Thank you. Yeah, you made it? Okay, so, um, tell us about yourself and what unique perspectives or abilities you would bring to the rental housing committee?

[00:48:22] Alex Brown: All right, I'll try to keep this quick, as always. I've been in Mountain View 7 years. I moved straight into the Santiago Villa mobile home park. In 2015, my neighbors and I started organizing in response to our rising rents. We got together and formed a neighborhood association to improve connections within the community and get everyone more chance to get involved and get to know their neighbors. In 2016, we started asking council, the previous council. Some of you were on it about rent control, and we were told that we should wait for either measure V or W to pass. Since the CSFRA was adopted, I've been following the RHC, and I started attending the meetings regularly in early 2018, and in 3 years, I've only missed a handful of meetings. Uh, I'm an engineer and I can be very pedantic. I try to use that for good whenever possible. Uh, I have right through the CSFA and reference it regularly because the details are valuable to me. Those of you who have been gracious enough to join one of our Mountain View mobile home alliance meetings and probably seen me look up text in real time. I'm tied into many different community groups. I think I bring a sense of connection, community, and empathy, but also understanding as best I can the law and process is available to help those communities thrive. How to do.

[00:49:27] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Okay. Thank you. Yeah. So we have another question. This is a two-parter. Um, The 1st part is, what do you think is the role of the rental housing committee? And then the 2nd part is, uh, what is the role of the legal counsel and the rental housing committee's decision making process?

[00:49:45] Alex Brown: Oh, how could I have seen this coming? So, yeah. Uh, laws are never complete. They set up a purpose and guidelines, but often the details run into complication when faced the reality. And Emily stole my example that the CPI target ceased existing when the RHC was tasked with figuring out the AGA and the RC then had to pick from a successor designation of the index. So these are details that are codified in the log, but need someone to actually make it real, because it happens. The RC is there to make sure the CSFA accomplishes its purpose of promoting neighborhood and community stability, healthy housing, and affordability for renters in the city of Mountain View. They're granted a bunch of powers, but I think the most important part of the role is adding the human perspective to make sure the law does what the voters and it intended. Uh, for the legal counsel part, the legal counsel brings the incredibly valuable context of case law and the background in how previous similar ordinances, charter amendments, et cetera, and the regulations have played out. For a concrete example, they analyze and distill details about similar rent stabilization programs from other cities so the RHD could learn from those cities experiences, which I think is great. And importantly, they give a sense of risk to any proposed regulation or decision through their professional analysis, which is vital to keeping the RHC and staff in the city safe from navigation. And I have time, right? Mayor?

[00:51:06] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yeah? Now? Yes.

[00:51:07] Alex Brown: Yes. Uh, since I have time. I would like to shout out the incredible work of Anki, Patricia, Andrea, Karen, and all the staff helping to support the program, and Project Sentinel and the hearing officers who, during the pandemic, Uh, have, this is, they parted with CSA to do rent relief. They did a bunch of workshops. It's been incredible to watch. This is an easy task, but I've seen them carry so many people through this difficult time. I think that's really what makes this, like, that's what makes this awesome, is just seeing the value of the CSFA and the RSC, just how many people depend on it to be able to continue their lives comfortably and safely. Thank you.

[00:51:43] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yeah. That's not the answer to the question. as a side note.

[00:51:46] Alex Brown: I had time. I saved time.

[00:51:49] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes, you saved so 127. Are you the fastest again?

[00:51:54] Alex Brown: I know you're gonna ask me. So I just had to say it.

[00:51:57] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Thanks, Alex. I appreciate it.

[00:52:00] Mayor Ellen Kamei: All right, so I will bring it back to council. Um, so perhaps, and we did have an opportunity to try this last week. So, um, I have a spreadsheet available online and I know that our interim city clerk has hers and our city manager does as well. Um, We are looking to provide recommendations for the 3 full appointment openings. So those are for, I believe, the 4 years. And then the one alternate opening. Um, happy to keep the tally of the votes, um, and summarize them once those are completed. So if each council member wants to let me know who their selections are for the 3 full appointments as well as the one alternate opening, and then, um, we can see where the votes lie. All right, I already see a hand. Vice Mayor Ramirez.

[00:52:54] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you, Mayor. I figure I'd just rip the Band-Aid off this time. Uh, so, um, I'll start with, uh, an impassioned plea, and then I'll explain my votes, uh, or my, my rationale, I guess, and then, and then conclude with the votes. So, uh, I'm hoping that one of the boats that you supply will be for Guadalupe Rosa, and the reason is, um, and she, she spoke to this. Um, I, I have shared during the P sub interviews that, that 2 of the factors I consider are weigh very heavily are representation and stakeholdership. Um, and I think she, she brings to the table both of those things. Uh, I think many of you know, um, I, I, I try to stay in close touch with and and work with the, the, the Latino community, the Latinx community. Um, in part because a lot of the many of the reasons I ran, um, relate to issues that are that are very deeply important for that community. and housing chief among them. Um, and especially over the past year since the pandemic be, be, began. It's been very helpful, I think, to stay in touch and get a better sense of the needs and concerns of the community and where I can be helpful, supply information or, um, you know, put, put members of the community in touch with staff, uh, to provide whatever systems they may need. And a lot of it, I think you can anticipate relates to rent relief and legal assistance and, um, and just an understanding of, of local law. Um, and one of the things I really appreciate about what Guadalupe brings to the table is, uh, not just that she is a member of that community, but she is a leader within the community. and has been extremely important, uh, in, uh, providing on the fly translation, you know, one of the things that I will forever regret is my inability to speak Spanish. Um, and so having her there. Uh, to translate, uh, sometimes very technical things very easily, uh, has been immensely useful. Um, there's, there's a great amount of trust, uh, within the community for her, and I think she would do a good job representing the community. Uh, and more importantly, serving as a liaison, um, and and being able to share information in a way that I don't think anybody else on the, on the committee would be able to. She is an important stakeholder as well. She owns a mobile home, and I think with the resolution of the Bull House case, I think it is important to have representation from the mobile home community on the committee. Um, uh, so that's, I think 2 reasons right there, um, uh, that, that compel me to, to supply a vote for her. Um, There are 3 others. Uh, and we, I always struggle with the interviews. I think these are these are, it's very difficult to select from among people. I think we have some very thoughtful, well intentioned people applying, and I'm grateful that they do for a committee that I think is very difficult to serve on because it's high profile because it's technical and because people are so passionate on both sides. Um, As we talked about during the planning commission interviews, I think that wasn't, late 2019. I have a preference to retain members who have been serving, um, if they've been doing a good job. You know, if they've been collaborating, if they work in good faith, if they participate, if their attendance record is good, you know, even if I disagree with them, um, I feel that it, it's, it's important to give folks an opportunity to bring other perspectives, right? I can't intellectually defend a decision to remove somebody who has been serving in good faith simply because I don't agree with all of their votes. Um, and I've, I've got a lot of correspondence about this, and I appreciate, I think where many folks are coming from. Um, I don't agree with a lot of committee member Grunwald's votes. And I think that's okay. Um he brings an important perspective. I think he also is a stakeholder in the way that Guadalupe is, as the only uh, city member who owns rental property. Um, and short of some compelling reason to deny him an opportunity to serve a 2nd term, um, you know, I feel, he's, he's done a good job, you know, even though I don't agree with this, even though I don't agree with this perspective all the time. Um, so, uh, him aside, I also think that Nicole and Emily have done a good job. Um, and I think both deserve, uh, a a 2nd term. Um, and Nicole, I think, you know, has gone through something of a, a tortuous problem, you know, serving 1st as, um, as alternate, and then, you know, getting appointed to the balance of a term. Um, I think she's performed very well in the interviews. I think she's done a good job participating in the meetings. I've only watched a few of them, but I feel that she comes to every meeting very well prepared and she's very insightful. Um, and I think, you know, Emily as well, but I'll also agree with something that she mentioned, you know, it's important to have somebody who is actually covered by, uh, by the CSFRA represented. Um, and I share that, uh, as I think the only member of the council who currently lives in CSF or a protected, uh, housing. Uh, stakeholdership is important. Um, so I will be supplying my 4 votes. For Nicole, for Emily, Guadalupe and Matt. Um, I don't, so having said that I have a preference to retain incumbents who have done a good job. I also, you know, we've set a precedent, you know, of not guarantee that every incumbent is, uh, is going to necessarily be retained. Um, and just as we did with the P sub. I do have a preference for the, the members who demonstrate the strongest support of the council, getting the voting seats, and then whoever comes in forth would get the alternate seats, so that's how I had prepared my votes. Others have a different process I'm open minded, but that's, that's sort of how I, I prepared, um, my thoughts based on, on that, that concept. Um. So I, uh, I don't have much more to say, uh, I think this is, this is, this is the boat that I've been dreading for quite some time. I'm very anxious right now. Uh I'm looking forward to what you all have to say and I just hope that on the other side of it. Um, you know, we could find a way to proceed. You know, without, sort of, the passion. I think that we often hear in RHC and sometimes council meetings where, where folks have a very strong perspective that sometimes I think gets the best of them. So I'll conclude there. Thank you.

[01:00:43] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. Council member, show Walter?

[01:00:52] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yes, um, I would, uh, I would, I have a different perspective from council member Ramirez. I was on the board. I was on the council when we, um, appointed the, uh, 1st group of, uh, members and, uh, I don't, I think it, it went off to a rocky start, and the reason it went, got off to a rocky start was because our main, uh, reason for appointing people was not that they wanted to go a good job implementing the CSFRA and were supportive of it. Many of them, several of them were not supportive of it. So I think people who are supportive of it, who want to support, who want to implement the CSFRA and who understand that the real reason for the CSFRA is to provide stability in our community, particularly for our more vulnerable reason, more vulnerable members. That's really why we have this. Um, it's to fight displacement and to um, provide uh, um, surety to people that they um, will know what their rents are going to cost. And also to provide a, uh, a reasonable way for landlords to make sure that they get a fair rate of return so that they can stay in this business because it's vital to our community, that we have great housing. So, um, for me, I, uh, I think that Emily has done an excellent job. I'm supporting her. I also think Guadalupe is a good person to um, uh, a point because of her connection to the Latin Dex community and because of her leadership. And because of, um, uh, the passion that she brings, um, to communicating with people of just all different backgrounds to help them understand, you know, whatever problem is going on. Um, I'm also, uh, really strong on supporting uh, Keating Rhodes. He, um, he hasn't served on the RAC before, but he's, he's extremely intelligent. He has a lifetime of experience that's really directly appropriate to real estate issues to landlord tenant issues that just fits in beautifully with what we need. And um, I also think that having somebody that um, is retired is good because they have a little more time to devote to this kind of work then, um, people who are still working full time. So I have a strong support for Keating. I also would like to support Alex Brown. I think the fact that he's been to every, almost every RHC meeting is really important. Um, and also, uh, that, uh, he, he, um, supports the, he, he represents the mobile home. Or the mobile home people, and he represents the tech, um, young tech workers who are also many of our renters.

[01:03:58] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. Council member Abbe Koga?

[01:04:04] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Thank you. So, um, I have another perspective, um, uh, I think I, I agree with uh, vice mayor, um, my inclination, in this case, is, is to reappoint the incumbents. And, um, you know, I will say, frankly, This is a board that makes decisions based on the information provided, facts if you want to call them. Um, and, um, you know, as much as I appreciate passion. I actually think this needs to be a dispassionate board. And, um, to be honest, I feel that in the last 4 years since this has started, um, it's been a lot of emotion, and so at times, um, that has trumped the other concerns we have, um, as, you know, even though it's independent of the city council. There is a direct connection. We've seen that We've seen, frankly, the legal challenges that have come about. And I have been concerned that, um, personal interests, personal passions have, uh, clouded or or taken priority over the city's interests as a fiduciary body. And so, um, that is what I, you know, is I'm most concerned about. And I would like to, uh, have a board that understands that role, that role. Um, and so it's really, you know, not an activist board. It's different. Activists are different from decision making bodies and individuals and that's what we are. So, we can have our preferences and, you know, I'm going to say I disagree with Councilman Marshall Walter. It shouldn't really matter how we feel about this issue. Um, you know, I'll remind, I, I remember Counselor Walter, you were against measure V in the beginning. So, you know, I don't think it should matter how we feel about the issue. Um, I, I want to pick folks who have, um, taken the information, done their best analysis, thought, um, thought through it, and also worked well with each other, and I think that's been the case, even though there are differing opinions on this board. I think they have been working quite well together in the last few years. So, I am inclined to reappoint the incumbents. Um, and then for the alternate, uh, I, you know, I agree. I think representation is important. Um, I, But again, I'm looking for balance. I'm looking for, um, folks who are gonna be fair, and, um, you know, who can learn, note how to agree to disagree. And based on that, um, I will be, Supporting, um, John, John Lee, I think it is John Christopher Lee for the alternate spot. Thanks.

[01:07:19] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Any other council members wishing to weigh in? Cousin Ed Believer?

[01:07:35] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Thank you, Mayor. Um, well, I can, um, definitely agree with, uh, council member, I would be Koga that, um, what we should be seeking is a drama free, um, board that can do the public's business that can, uh, implement the will of the voters. And I know it's been a, a long and winding road uh, to get to that point. And I'm really hoping that with the next, um, crop of individuals that are on this, um, committee that, uh, they can really dig into that because as so many of my colleagues have indicated this is a very vital time, uh, for keeping renters in our community, and, and we've talked a lot over the past year about our essential workers. Um, most of whom, in reality, are renters in our community, and the importance that they've had to getting us through the pandemic. Um, so, uh, with that said, um, I am going to, uh, be supporting Emily Ramos, who I think has done, uh, an excellent job in, uh, guiding, uh, this committee, uh, Guadalupe Rosas, um, for all of the leadership reasons that were were cited, uh, earlier and the, the trust that, uh, all of our community really places. in her. Uh, Alex Brown, who has showed a significant commitment in, um, attending all the meetings and understanding the subject matter in a very thorough way. And then I'll be supporting Keating Rhodes as alternate. And I think that for me, this is, um, these are the, the best choices to my mind, uh, for fulfilling the will of the voters.

[01:09:36] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you, Councilman Believer, Councilman Ricks.

[01:09:42] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Well, much has been said, and um, so, and I agree with, most of the things that every everybody has been saying all the council members, so I won't, um, belabor my reasoning a great deal. I do think that we want to, um, a point people who will, uh, focus on, you know, the role of the RHC as stated for stability in our community, particularly during this, um, during this pandemic when we're supposed to be sheltering in place. And, um, you know, so shelter is is such an important thing at this point. Um, So I, and I, am thinking I'm a little unclear on the process, but I am thinking that I'll just, uh, make 4 votes and whoever gets the fewest votes will be the alternate. Well, just, I'm thinking we'll see how that shakes out as some council members have, um, mentioned.

[01:10:40] Mayor Ellen Kamei: So, uh, I don't I don't want the process to be unclear. So I think ideally it would be who would you like for the 3 year term, the, the, sorry, the 3 um, full terms and then who would you like as the alternate? So, um, You know, I think that maybe you could help clarify who you'd like as the alternate and the three. I think for those who said they wanted to re-empoint the incumbents. My assumption is that the incumbents would be for the foyer term, and then whoever else they mentioned was the alternate. I looked to them to tell me if that's correct. Yeah, I see them shaking their heads. Oh, sorry. I think there's a little delay, so I talked over you.

[01:11:22] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Um, I thought that some council members had indicated one process and some indicated another, but I could be wrong. Uh, I thought some just straight voted and some indicated who they wanted as alternate.

[01:11:38] Mayor Ellen Kamei: I can I can go through and clarify my hope and what I said at the very beginning was if you could tell me who your 3 are for the full terms. Um, and then who you'd like as alternate, that would, I think, be the most clear process for myself who's trying to tabulate the sheet, and then probably the most clear for the public who's watching too.

[01:11:58] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Okay, okay. I can do it that way. Um, so my 4 votes, I, uh, one of a family Ramas, because I think that she's done, uh, you know, a very thorough job over the past. I haven't even counted the number of years, but I've, I've watched her, um, started to develop and and, uh, grasp the issues that, uh, that, uh, the, all right, C deals with and I would like to, uh, reappoint her. I would like to appoint, uh, also, um, Guadalupe. Uh, I don't want to Miss, I didn't write your last name down. I don't want to mispronounce it. Uh, for, because I think it would be good to have somebody who could do outreach to the Latinx community, which is a large number of the people, uh, covered by, um, you know, C spread covered units. I would also like to vote for, um, Keating Rhodes as uh, you know, as somebody who's been a landlord and is a homeowner and represents that perspective. I'll say, I'm not voting for, to reappoint Matt Grunel because I was taken aback listening to his comments on suspending cease for, and some of his reasoning for doing that. And so I just think to even entertain that idea, I know he ended up not voting for it, but to even entertain while we're sheltering in place. And while some people's rents are still going up to entertain suspending, it is a step too far from me. So, um, and then last, I guess as the alternate, I would like to vote for Alex Brown. Um, uh, because I would like somebody, because he's he's gone to all the meetings, I think he's he's very well prepared and I would like somebody from the mobile home community. Thank you.

[01:14:01] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay, thank you. Council member Mattachek.

[01:14:09] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thank you. Um, So it's nice that we had, um, some good applicants here. And um, I appreciate uh, folks who are not on the uh, RHC applying. Um, it's great to get some um, additional interest here. Um, I have, uh, a similar perspective, uh, that, um, if an incumbent has done a good job and, um, you know, comes to the meetings and participates well, um, that I'm inclined to reappoint them. But I do have a concern about one of the incumbents. Um, and so, um, it makes it hard for me to support them. And so um, I am supportive of Nicole and Matt. Um, as continuing on. they've both done a good job. And um, then I, I, uh, think we have some good choices here. Um, I appreciate the vice mayor's comments about Guadalupe. And, um, I also was impressed with Keating. Um, and I think um, I also appreciated what James had to say. So I'm sort of struggling here. Because we have some good choices. Um, I guess, um, I would. Say, um, Guadalupe, and then as the alternate, um, Mr. I'm sorry, uh, Keating. Thanks.

[01:15:50] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Sorry about that. Of course, I was talking on mute. So, um, I think the city manager would like to, to weigh in, but, um, she, she was letting me know perhaps it is easier to, to just see who gets the, um, 4th vote, um, versus the alternate. I think that I've been trying to keep track of both. So hopefully that will work as well. Um, as I've been trying to keep track of everyone's um, votes. So, um, I think we've had kind of robust conversation about all of the applicants. I'm just heartened that we have 7 really great applicants for our commission. I feel like each time we are looking at commission appointments, we're seeing the number of applicants grow and grow. And I think for myself to see applications growing during a global pandemic is something that's like, it's really, it's really wonderful to see that people want to invest in their community and they want to serve. And so I just want to thank everyone for their time. I know 5 minutes can be difficult to do. Um, and really appreciate those who have reached out to me and I'm sure to our, my colleagues, um, trying to, to let it us know more, more about them. So I think, um, for for myself, um, having served on a commission for 7 years, nearly, um, you know, I, I know that it can feel difficult to, to do this, especially virtually, um, the interview process. Um, I do feel like the comments about, um, Well, I feel like the, the RHC, um, composition and the dynamics has shifted over these last 4 years. And I think for me also talking other things that have been giving me a bit of hope is that, is I'm seeing some shifts in, in, in the dynamics, and though people have different perspectives and they come from different backgrounds, I'm seeing the collegiality. Um, between the existing body and I'm seeing the the work that's being done. You know, most importantly, the seismic retrofits and how we're able to kind of put those forward is something that they've been able to coalesce on and find a path forward. So, you know, I'd like that work to continue. I feel inclined to reappoint the 3 incumbents so that I believe is, um, Nicole Haynes, live, say, Emily, Ramos, and Matt Groomwald, think that there's, there's a gelling and a dynamic that happens in a commission and the, I, I'm seeing that, that's starting to happen and, um, you know, I, I, difference of perspectives are always there, but I think also the shift is I'm seeing some, some, Um, more collegiality. So I think that that's important. Um, I'm really excited to have Guadalupe Rosa supply. I know she's been in the community for a really long time and that, um, I'm happy to to also cast a vote for her. Um, I think my preference would be as alternate, but we will see how the votes lie. So, um, city manager McCarsey, can you help um, help us clarify?

[01:19:02] City Manager Kimbra McCarthy: Yes, mayor. So right now, the way that the votes are, um, is that the 3 members who have the highest number of votes are Emily Ramos, Guadalupe Rosas and Matt Grunwald. And um, there were different mentions of alternates. Um, so Keating Rhodes got the 4th amount of votes, he was um, selected as an alternate by 2 council members. Um, but he did have 4 votes across the board. Um, I'm happy to share my spreadsheet if that would be easier for you all to see it. Um, but that that is how the votes have shaken out. Would you like to see the spreadsheet?

[01:19:50] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Why don't you share the spreadsheet and I see council member show shelter has her hand raised? Go ahead, counselor show shelter.

[01:19:59] Councilmember Pat Showalter: I have a, My uh, Tally didn't quite match what I heard you say. So Matt Grenwald has 4 as well, right?

[01:20:11] City Manager Kimbra McCarthy: Correct.

[01:20:12] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Okay, thank you. Is there any way you can...

[01:20:24] City Manager Kimbra McCarthy: I'm trying to make it bigger. It won't let it won't let me. It won't let me make it bigger. Let me do this. Let me just see if I can, uh, and it is centered. Otherwise, you're just going to be seeing all of this stuff on my desktop. So Emily Ramos, um, Top yellow. Uh, received 6 votes. Keating Rhodes in the green, received 4 votes. Guadalupe Rosas, received 6 votes. Matt Grunwald received 4 votes. And the others received either, um, Actually, you know what? I'm sorry, this is my mistake. Nicole also received 4 votes. Yes. So, um, essentially, Nicole and Matt are tied, um, both receiving 4 votes and heating also received 4 votes, but 2 of those are alternate votes. So I think we will need to vote between Matt and Nicole. Um, and then if those of you who selected Keating as the alternate, um, you may need to, Think about, I think council will need to think about whether you want Keating to also be part of this next round of voting or if you want to take those alternate votes and, um, set, basically set them aside and only vote on Matt and Nicole.

[01:22:09] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay, so I'll just try to jump in. So it sounds like we have a 3 way tie of 4 votes.

[01:22:16] City Manager Kimbra McCarthy: Yes.

[01:22:16] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Those 4 people are Nicole Keating and Matt. And while some said alternate, at the end of the day, there are 3 people who have 4 votes. So, um, you know, I feel like perhaps we should aggregate and say of the 3, you know, who would be the full, um, who would go to the full term and who would be the alternate of the 3 in aggregates. That would be my suggestion, but I see people have hands. So council member Hicks, go ahead.

[01:22:47] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Maybe. So now I'm confused. Maybe I'm saying exactly what you're saying. You know, the process changed a little Midway through nobody's fault, Mayor. I think you're doing. Oh, actually a wonderful job of sharing and I've been meaning to tell you it's difficult. Um, but, uh, some of us vote, if you look at the spreadsheet, some people were asked to designate alternates and other people didn't. So that kind of made my one of my 4 votes look like a half vote. And so, you know, we were like voting on different grounds. So I would just like to make them all for, Take away the half boats, basically.

[01:23:29] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yeah. So that's what that's exactly what they were saying.

[01:23:32] Councilmember Alison Hicks: And just put on it. Okay. I agree with you down.

[01:23:35] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yeah. Yeah. Um, and trying to make it easier, you know, sometimes we make it hard on ourselves. So, you know, I feel like at the end of the day, no matter what the process is, it looks like 2 um, 2 folks got 6 votes and 3 people got 4 votes. So we need to decide on one full four-year term and then one alternate position. Council member Leaver.

[01:24:03] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Not to further complicate things, but I wonder if we might go through on this next round and say that out of the people that got 4 votes. Who's your 1st 2nd and 3rd? Um, and then and then do it that way.

[01:24:23] Mayor Ellen Kamei: I can do that. I mean, I think, If we just, if it's one. And they get the majority, they would get the full vote, wouldn't they? So we wouldn't have to do 2 and 3.

[01:24:49] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Well, I feel like the alternate position, there's still 2 people who could, you know, there's still 2 people who have the 4 votes. So, even.

[01:24:58] Mayor Ellen Kamei: I just, if there's 3 people and they all got four. I feel like we should just kind of do a reround of who we'd like as the full, full term and then who we'd like as the alternate. I think that's just seems...

[01:25:12] City Manager Kimbra McCarthy: Yeah, so if you want to give me one, two, three, I will write one, two, three. And if you want to give me one, two, I'm happy to do that as well. Um, so why don't we why don't we attempt that? So, if you do not, um, Hold on just one moment.

[01:25:45] Mayor Ellen Kamei: So, I mean, I'm, I'm sorry. I'm comfortable with this process. Is everyone on council comfortable? I see heads nodding. All right, okay. Yeah, I think that we should forge ahead. Okay, so would anyone like to start things off and let me know who their their choices are. And you can tell me one, two, or you can tell me one, two, three. Council member, Lieber.

[01:26:16] Councilmember Sally Lieber: But I'm going to turn my microphone on before I weigh, then. Um, so our choices are, uh, Nicole Keating and, And mad.

[01:26:29] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes.

[01:26:30] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Is that correct? Okay. Um, so, uh, out of that pool, my top choice is Nicole. Um, my uh, 2nd choice is uh, Keating. And my 3rd choice would be Matt.

[01:26:51] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay, thank you. Council member Hicks.

[01:26:59] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Ah, okay, I think other people had their hand up first, but if they don't really care. don't care. Um, so my 1st choice is Keating, my 2nd is Nicole and my 3rd is Matt.

[01:27:19] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay. Counsel, never mind a check.

[01:27:26] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thanks. My 1st is Matt. My 2nd is Nicole. My 3rd is Keating.

[01:27:39] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Right. Anyone else? customer Robert Kogan? I'm sorry, I saw your hand up, and then it went down.

[01:27:48] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: It's okay. My 1st choice is Matt, 2nd is Nicole, and obviously 3rd would be Keating.

[01:27:57] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay. All right. Others. Yes, cousin Rachel Walter.

[01:28:17] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Sure. It is hard to decide. We have some great great candidates here. But my 1st choice is going to be, uh, Nicole and my 2nd is Keating, and my 3rd is Matt.

[01:28:34] Mayor Ellen Kamei: All right, and vice Mary Ramirez.

[01:28:40] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. Um, This is hard. Uh, I'll I'll go backwards. So 3rd will be Keating. Um. This is hard. Stake ownership is important. So 2nd will be Nicole, and 1st will be Matt.

[01:29:11] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Thank you. All right. See. Okay. And everyone was able to share theirs, right? So I'm the last one. Just making sure because I'm tallying things at the same time. wonderful. All right. So. For myself, it'll be, um, I think, let's see. One Matt to Nicole, 3 Keating. All right, city manager McCarthy, do you have your special spreadsheet to share with us?

[01:30:01] City Manager Kimbra McCarthy: Yes, can you give me one minute? My auto sum isn't working properly. Give me give me one or 2 minutes just to make sure that I can get all the roads added up. Okay, sharing my screen, mayor and council members. So, um, Nicole received a vote of 12, um, heating received 17, and Matt received 13, so the lower number is actually the higher priority. So, uh, Nicole would be the alternate.

[01:31:08] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay, full September. Yeah, so we need the member and we need the alt.

[01:31:14] City Manager Kimbra McCarthy: Oh, yes, thank you. Thank you for that correction. Yes. Nicole would be the member and then it looks like Matt would be the alternate.

[01:31:22] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay.

[01:31:24] City Manager Kimbra McCarthy: Yes.

[01:31:26] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay. All right, so I see some hands raised. Um, Council mayor Matichet? Oh, no? Okay. Vice Mayor Ramirez, I see your hand.

[01:31:37] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you, mayor. Um, let me, uh, defer to the city manager to see if I've captured this. So, it would be, Emily, Nicole, and Matt as Alternate.

[01:31:57] City Manager Kimbra McCarthy: That is correct, vice mayor.

[01:32:00] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Oh, let's see where this goes. So I'll move then to recommend that slate. So the, the voting members would be Nicole, Emily and Lupe. And then Matthew would be the alternate. Customer reliever?

[01:32:28] Councilmember Sally Lieber: A 2nd tip.

[01:32:29] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay. So we have a motion and we have a 2nd uh, any discussion? All right. Ms. Vanderlin, can we do a roll call vote, please?

[01:32:41] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Also member Abbe Koga.

[01:32:43] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: I,

[01:32:43] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: council member Hicks.

[01:32:45] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Hi.

[01:32:46] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Kelcil member Lieber.

[01:32:48] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Hi,

[01:32:48] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: council member Madachek.

[01:32:50] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Yes.

[01:32:51] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Council member Sher Walter.

[01:32:53] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yes.

[01:32:54] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Vice Mayor Ramirez.

[01:32:56] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Yes.

[01:32:58] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Mayor Kamei.

[01:32:59] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes, thank you. All right. Neat. Thank you, everyone. So, uh, now we will move on to our next item, which, oh, so, um, the council appointment will be on the consent calendar at the meeting of the of April 13th, just for everyone on the call. And then, um, our next item is our fiscal year, 2021, 2022 through fiscal year, 2025 to 26 capital improvement program recommended action. The purpose of this study session is to provide the city council an overview of the Capital Improvement Program, which we commonly refer to as the CIP, and obtain city council input to guide staff in the preparation of the proposed fiscal year 2021 through 22 through fiscal year 2025 to 26 CIP. Don Cameron, our public works director, will provide the report. And J Houghton may also be presenting as well.

[01:33:59] Public Works Director Don Cameron: Hi, good evening, mayor and council members. Thank you. Don Cameron, Public Works director, and joining me will also be Ed Arango, Assistant Public Works Director, City Engineer, and Joy Helton, Associate Civil Engineer. This is the 1st a 2 council study sessions for the development of the 5 year CIP. This study session is focused on a discussion of CIP funding sources and criteria for prioritizing projects in the CIP for the unrestricted funds. With the exception of a proposed CIP project to offset the carbon emissions from the city hall CPA HVAC system, we are not planning to discuss specific CIP projects tonight. Staff will return to council in May for a 2nd study session to present the proposed five-year CIP project list, which will be based on projected funding available, staffing resources, and council direction on criteria for determining priorities. Next slide, please join. The CIP is a planning tool used to coordinate location, timing, and funding of capital improvements to maintain, manage, and improve city infrastructure. The five-year CIP is divided into nondiscretionary and discretionary projects. Nondiscretionary projects are for annual infrastructure maintenance necessary to preserve the city's significant investment in its infrastructure and facilities. Discretionary projects are specific projects approved by the city council as part of the CIP. The sources of potential discretionary projects include city plans and studies, city council priorities, projects submittals from city departments, and the unscheduled projects in the current CIP. Staff compiles the list of candidate discretionary projects for the upcoming five-year CIP by rolling forward projects from the current five-year CIP, which forms the 1st 3 years of the new CIP. Adding new projects primarily for years 4 and 5, although some may be considered for earlier years to reflect changing needs and priorities, and amending active projects if scope changes or additional funding is needed. As described in the study session memo, there are 5 main categories of CIP funding. With the exception of the unrestricted funds, these funding sources have specific restrictions and requirements on the types and our locations of projects that can use these funds. The unrestricted funds are particularly valuable because they can be used on any type of capital project in any location. City facility rehabilitation and renovation. Information, technology needs, and transportation improvements have relied heavily on these unrestricted funds. The challenge for the upcoming CIP is that the 2 unrestricted fund sources have been the most heavily affected by the economic impacts of the pandemic. As noted on this slide, while we have received an average of $17.60000000 per year from these 2 sources combined in the last 5 years, the forecast is only 5.300000 for next fiscal year and 6.40000 for the following year. This amount of funding will not be enough for all the projects that need unrestricted funds. In preparing the discretionary project list for the 5 year CIP, Staff will need to defer nearly $430000 in projects from the 1st 2 years to the latter years of the CIP. In order to inform staff's review of the discretionary projects requiring unrestricted CIP funds, staff requests council direction on the proposed criteria to prioritize these projects, which are projects that provide for public or personnel safety, compliance with regulatory requirements, providing local match or cost sharing to secure grants or other funding sources. Payment rehabilitation and preventive maintenance as needed to maintain the city's current pavement condition index rating of 71. Incorporating active transportation enhancements into these projects as feasible. Council strategic plan priorities, and the budget's equity lens, projects that benefit or do not burden communities of color and or low income residents. Again, this criteria is meant to apply to new projects coming into next year's CIP, all active projects are still funded and are not part of this particular discussion. Slide on this slide. Okay, thank you. The 2nd item for discussion tonight is to obtain council direction for how to offset the greenhouse gas generation associated with the natural gas use of the new city hall CPA HVAC system. When council approved the construction contract for the new HVAC system, council directed staff to return with a recommendation after evaluating the following 3 options. Purchase offsets, create a sustainability fund for carbon emission reduction efforts at other city facilities, and offset the emissions with other efforts in or near mountain view. Attachment 5 provides a summary of staff's evaluation of the 3 options, which resulted in a staff recommendation to budget 450,000 in the CIP to replace city facility natural gas appliances, such as water heaters, with electrical appliances. Unlike the offsets evaluated any other options. This option, which is option 2, would reduce the city's municipal operations greenhouse gas inventory. This funding would cover the extra cost of conversion, and staff would prioritize replacing existing units based on age and condition before they fail, allowing the time necessary to convert from natural gas. After tonight's study session, staff will begin creating the five-year CIP with particular focus on the inclusion and timing of discretionary projects using applicable funding sources. As part of this process, we will visit the bicycle pedestrian advisory committee to request their input on transportation projects and the parks and recreation commission for input on parks projects. Staff will return to Council May with the proposed five-year CIP. Staff request, council input on 2 questions for tonight's study session. Does counsel support staff's recommended approach and criteria to determine which projects to prioritize for the unrestricted funds? And does council support a $450,000 city facility natural gas appliance replacement CIP project to offset the greenhouse gas generation associated with the new city hall CPA HVAC system? This concludes staff's presentation and we are here to answer council questions.

[01:41:10] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Thank you so much, Miss Cameron. So I think before we go into the council questions, I'd like to take public comment. So if you don't mind, um, unsharing your screen, um, we can pull up the the timer for 2 minutes. Would any member of the public on the line like to provide comment on this item? If so, please click the raise hand button in Zoom or press star 9 on your phone. And our interim city clerk, Miss Wonderland, we'll put up our timer. And I see Bruce Carney. Please unmute.

[01:41:44] Bruce Karney: Thank you very much for the opportunity to speak on this topic. I sent a letter to counsel, an email to counsel a few days ago. I hope you've had a chance to take a look at it. I wanted to frame the use of carbon offsets, which I find the best of the options in the context of the work of the environmental sustainability task force that I led in 2017 and 2018. The task force made 36 recommendations as a result of its deliberations. And one of those was a recommendation called M1, as in measurement one. And it was a little bit more comprehensive recommendation than simply suggesting that the city should invest in carbon offsets, but carbon offsets were a significant part of uh, recommendation M1, in the view of that recommendation, it provided a way for the city to always be able to guarantee that whatever goals it's set, it would be able to achieve, largely by, you know, important projects that didn't involve But if there was any residual, the offset would be used to balance the books. And the city hall HVAC system as a perfect example of the need to balance the books, or as the council previously suggested, balance the books times 2 by buying 2 tons of offsets for every one ton of GHGs emitted. Um, I also wanted to mention that the city's long-term goal of reducing emissions by 80% and yet being 100% carbon neutral implies that there will be carbon capture and sequestration or the use of offsets. I think it's important that the council begin actually buying offsets soon, not just exploring how they would work. So this is a perfect example and time to get started on the process. Thank you very much.

[01:43:45] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. James Kuzamal.

[01:43:52] James Kuszmaul: Uh, good afternoon. Yeah, I'm James Guzmo. BPAC member, but speaking here, just my personal capacity. Um, I want to reread some points that were made in NVCSP's uh, comment letter that they sent out this afternoon, namely that the uh, California Complete Streets Pilot program, which has been no longer has funding in the current proposed CIP, is a critical project for sort of the safety of our residence and for the city's transportation goals, and seeing it delayed is unfortunate, especially given that advocacy for that project, has gone on for almost a decade at this point. Given the very real staffing and budget limitations that the city does have, I encourage the city to consider shifting the $430000000 allocated to the sterling road by pedestrian improvements, farther back, and time, and replacing it with a combination of the 3 quarters of a $1000000 for the California street pilot program, as well as, I believe it's around half a 1000000 for Moffat Boulevard bike, pet improvements, and the roughly 3 quarters of a 1000000 for Middlefield Road feasibility studies for biking pedestrian improvements. And then fall back to the great work that staff has been doing on access MV to figure out how to prioritize projects for any of the remainder funding from that $4300000 and I would love to see, uh, us figure out how to start delivering projects in the, in the next year, so making use of that funding rather than having to see more projects, uh, language around on the CIP for, for a decade before even seeing them start to get implemented. Thank you.

[01:45:30] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. April Webster.

[01:45:35] April Webster: Hello, I am speaking on behalf of the MVCSP today. Um, We would like to acknowledge the serious staff and budget limitations that exist at this time, and so please take that into account with these comments. Um, a number of things I'd like to comment on 1st in line with the approach we've been promoting over the past few months, that of a more integrative, holistic one. We would like to see plans for a new act of transportation plan added to the sip list. Um, this would bump the bicycle plan 2434 up to the current year, combine it with a pedestrian plan, which is 2136, which is already underway. Both plans are due to be updated, so aligning them absolutely makes sense and could also realize some cost savings. Um, a second, um, we have noted that some projects included in the planned discretionary projects, um, have not been, have not changed since they were last updated in August 2020. We would like to request that the access Mountain View priorities and public consultation be used priorities transportation projects. We would like, 3rd, we would like to see green complete street concepts incorporated. You know, in particular on the California Complete Streets pilot. Um, And then finally, we'd like to see some reordering of specific projects listed in the planned transportation, discretionary projects and attachment 3, um, in particular, we'd like to see the California Street Complete Streets pilot. Um, which has been postponed. Um, it has a price tag about a 750 K. And we would like to see that bumped up to 2021. Um, our 2021, 2nd the Middlefield Road feasibility studies, they're currently scheduled for 202324. Um, we would like to see that bumped up to this year, and then also the Moffin Boulevard, um, Class 4 bike wave preliminary design. Um, these projects combined, um, uh, would be about $2000000 and in exchange for bumping these up. We would like to see the Stearland Road project, which is about 4.30000 be moved out. It's a small, quiet, low density street, and then our opinion should be a lower priority than the other three. Thank you.

[01:47:40] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. All right, that concludes public comments. So I'd like to bring it back to the council. Does anyone have any questions? Per staff. Council member Hicks.

[01:47:56] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Yes, I was just gonna ask a question, um, that, uh, sort of related to our deficit, if you were to, um, to suggest, uh, because of the deficit, suggests some projects to put off a few more projects to put off. Um, And also, what would those be? And also, um, I would like to know what those are in the context of, um, some upcoming, some upcoming council items, for instance, uh, the more integrated look at our bike and pedestrian master plan with with trees, access Mountain View, and then also whether we would do the Moffat precise plan. If you saw those as, are there any projects you would postpone, thinking we might, given those council items in front of us, you might tweak those projects and tell me if I haven't asked that in a clear way and I can restate it.

[01:49:01] Public Works Director Don Cameron: No, I appreciate that. and I, I believe I understand the questions. And also, I would like to point out for clarification that what we are talking about when we say 43 million, that's in the 1st 2 years of the planned CIP. This is the world forward CIP. We are not talking about, at this point, needing to defund. Or change any active CIP projects, which have already been funded this fiscal year and previous fiscal years. Attachment one to your report is a status of active capital improvement projects, which are funded projects. So for instance, the California Street pilot project is a funded project. It is a fiscal year 21 project. Um, it's just been waiting until we have staffing resources, a project manager to get started on that, and we're hoping to have that soon. Uh, I think there was another project that was also mentioned that is already a funded project. The only reason it hasn't started is because it doesn't have staffing. So I just wanted to provide that clarification. As for whether, uh, we already know some projects or I could suggest projects that would be deferred because of the funding deficit. We're not at that stage yet. That's why we're bringing the criteria to you. and ask you to look at it, and that will inform staff's evaluation of all the projects that have been proposed for next fiscal year and the fiscal year after that because we worry the most about the 1st 2 years of the CIP. And we will use that then to evaluate and come up with the projects we believe that should go forward in the 1st 2 fiscal years, and those that should be deferred to ladder gears. So, up, we'll be able to bring that to you at the Mesa study session when we'll say, these are the projects we would recommend deferring, and these are the ones we recommend continuing. And if it's part of that, moving forward a project that was planned for a latter year. There's money for an ability that could be considered as well. As terms of your 2nd question about whether we should also evaluate the project's timing in terms of waiting until after some of these other key plans, studies, initiatives are completed. Um, you know, a lot of these are, you're talking about are bike and pedestrian improvement projects, which for many years have been a priority for the council, and we've been asked to find ways to deliver them quicker. So if the council wants us to consider evaluating these projects and holding them, Until some of this other work is done, we can do that. But I would need counsel to say that that's one of the criteria, criteria you want us to apply when we evaluate the project.

[01:51:54] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Thank you

[01:51:56] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. Council member Mattachek.

[01:51:59] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thank you. So, I thought, um, we previously had a discussion about combining the bicycle and pedestrian plans. And so I'm a little bit confused where that stands.

[01:52:14] Public Works Director Don Cameron: Okay, thank you, and I appreciate you asking about that as well. This memo and the attachments with the project list are all based on the current 5 year CIP, the one, the one that we're replacing and we're updating. Uh, we already do have our notes and we do plan to bring forward in May. What we're planning to do is there's an existed funded plan called the pedestrian master plan, which is already funded in fiscal year 2021. And we're going to recommend a project amendment to you, where we rename it active transportation plan. We add a little more money to it, and it now becomes the combined pedestrian and bicycle plan. So that is something you'll see in May as a specific, um, uh, recommendation that you can then um, provide your support for.

[01:53:09] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Okay, thank you for that clarification. Um, I also, in the council questions. Um, I appreciated, um, your response from the ones that are on hold, pending resources. Um, I just want to clarify that, um, Are all the ones that say on hold pending resources, a question of staff resources and not money.

[01:53:37] Public Works Director Don Cameron: That is correct, if it's on that active list, it means it's been funded. It just is, so it's staffing resources. That, okay, had them on hold.

[01:53:48] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Yeah. Okay. And um, I feel like I've asked this in the past, but it was probably last year, and the answer, so the answer might be different now. Um, but do we know how much more we would have to spend on our roads to get, um, the PCI for every road, not just an average, to, say, 75?

[01:54:17] Public Works Director Don Cameron: Ed, would you like to take that question?

[01:54:20] Assistant Public Works Director Ed Arango: Sure, sure, I'll take a stab at that. Edorango, assistant public works director. Um, thank you for your question, uh, Council member Matachek. Um, I think, so we provided an evaluation, um, we, this uh, staff in order to determine what it would take to increase the PCI by 5 points. Um, and I don't have the numbers in front of me. Um, but the funding levels were above the current funding levels provided. So, um, At that time we had a PCI level that was lower. And so to get to 75 was going to be a bigger lift. Um, now, um, we, we identified that the, we have a preliminary report now that we've, um, received from the MTC on our PCI, um, and it does have some preliminary information, um, and it's preliminarily telling us that, um, this is going off memory that, In order to raise the PCI 5 points, um, as the update identified in the council question responses, um, have identified a PCI of 71. that were currently at, again, as a preliminary. And then another 5 points would be a, I believe it's a $490000 investment into our pavement program over the next 5 years. Um, and that's an average of 75. Um, we don't have the numbers on what it would take to bring every single street in Mountain View up to a PCI of 75. We do use and other jurisdictions as MTC applies as to all the jurisdictions on an average of grade of PCI as per cities. So they take an average. I try to identify every single street. But again, it's it's on council's priorities and goals on getting that average up to 75, 90, the entire street. And to get the average up, again, it's about $50 million.

[01:56:19] Public Works Director Don Cameron: I also will add on that, as that said, I think the answer in council questions that we would need to invest $490000 in the next 5 years to get our average up to the citywide goal. However, your caution was, what would it take to make sure no street ever falls below 75. That would be a very high bar and very expensive. Streets, like anything, are in a constant state of deterioration, and it's always rise and fall. And when you do a resurfacing or major rehabilitation project. You brought it up to 100 PCI. And then it starts to deteriorate over time. If we tried to keep everything at 75 and above, we'd be going in and resurfacing streets. quite frequently. And it would be far more expensive than 49000000 over the next 5 years and it would, um, it's really not the practice. Uh, generally, if you sitting, 75 is considered good, very good and means that you really are avoiding your any street from falling into poor condition.

[01:57:26] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Okay, thanks.

[01:57:30] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay. Anyone else have questions for staff? All right, so I'm not seeing any other hands. Um, and I know that the, The and I know that this is just an update, so I don't think staff needs any type of feedback from us at this point or yes, castle member. ahead.

[01:57:56] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Thank you, Mayor. Um, I did want to notice um, Bruce Carney's letter. Uh, that that we received. And I do really subscribe to his ideas. I don't know if this is the right time to to raise that. Um, maybe staff can say if this is nap time for that kind of input.

[01:58:18] Public Works Director Don Cameron: Well, we do have 2 council questions. One was, do you concur with the 6 criteria that we laid out that we're going to use to evaluate new projects to determine whether they receive funding in the next 2 years or are deferred out? And the 2nd was, do you support creating this CIP of 450,000 for replacing city gas appliances with electrical appliances to offset the greenhouse gas emissions from city hall? What council member Lieber is asking about is that was one of the other options for offsetting the city hall CPA HVAX natural gas use. was instead, so that would be instead of creating this CIP. The city could choose to purchase offsets. And and offsets are described in in the memo that's attached to your council report. Um, they, they tend to fund projects in other parts of the world, other parts of the country, but have proven to be quite cost effective, and, and as I recall, the evaluation stated, they, they are, they can be the best way to reduce overall greenhouse gas emissions, but not necessarily locally. It's more of a, a national or world effect.

[01:59:47] Councilmember Sally Lieber: So, in reference to that, um, and and I would, um, defer to my colleagues to get a chance to take a cut at the 1st question, um, first, but in, in terms of the 2nd, uh, issue that we were asked to weigh in on, um, I am wondering if it is possible to, uh, to get the quicker impact, of purchasing the And then still have a plan to to move in the direction of, um, conversion in terms of our own needs. Um, because I, I do think that purchasing of offsets is, is an effective way to do things. Um, I am not uh, wedded to the idea that projects, um, have to be, uh, local. I think that the effectiveness and impact of the projects, um, is the most important thing to me as well as, um, I think that they could be powerful in, um, delivering environmental justice, uh, for underrepresented communities. Um, underrepresented and indigenous communities. And I think that's something that would be very attractive to, um, to our residents, uh, to know that that we're doing both of those, um, things if possible. So I'd love to get, after my colleagues have had a chance to speak, perhaps, um, get some input on staff from that. Thank you.

[02:01:26] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay, thank you, Councilman Manachek.

[02:01:34] Public Works Director Don Cameron: Sorry, do you want us to answer the 2 questions?

[02:01:37] Mayor Ellen Kamei: I was just asking, yes. And if staff doesn't mind bringing up those 2 questions for council members to see. That would be great as well. Please feel free to answer both if you'd like, counselor matter check.

[02:01:51] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Yeah, so, um, I do support the approach with one caveat, and that is, um, I would like to see more resources going into pavement management. Um, 70 to 79 is considered good and we're at 71. Um, so I'd like to see us a little bit higher on that scale. Um, I hear, you know, 75 is a challenge, but I'd like to be a little bit higher than 71, so I'd like to see more resources there. And on question two, um, When we previously discussed this on council, I appreciated, um, council, former council member, um, Clark suggesting we put together a reserve. And, um, I, I really that, that was a great idea. And so, um, I am supportive of the staff recommendation on, um, using the money for uh, natural gas appliance replacement here at the city. Thanks.

[02:02:58] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Thank you, council member Hicks.

[02:03:02] Councilmember Alison Hicks: So as for the 1st question, I have, um, both an answer and a question at once. I know that, um, Dawn, when you made the presentation, you said one of the criteria was active transportation, but then when I see the list, I don't see that anymore. Maybe it was a subcategory under one of the 6 criteria that I see in front of me now. Um, So, but I would like to make it, uh, my recommendation would to be that one of the criteria be, uh, promote, projects that promote active transportation, and another one, uh, green infrastructure and complete in green streets. To me, those are things we've heard a lot from the community about. Um, and so I would like those to be specific criteria. And then I guess my 3rd criteria would be, if we're about to undertake, maybe this is what you mean by strategic plan priorities, but if we're about to undertake a plan, um, like the, uh, By pedestrian master plan, a holistic plan or the Moffatt precise plan. I would like to slow down the project of any project that might be in conflict with those. So, you know, if we, for example, do the Moffat precise plan. I don't want to plan the bike path and then do the Moffat precise plan and find out that we've done it wrong and redo it. So those are, so those are my 3 criteria. Active transportation, um, green and complete streets and, uh, and putting off anything that might need to be tweaked or totally changed after we do a project that's, uh, you know, that's in our work plan. So that's number one. And then for question number two. I, um, I guess I'm agreeing with uh, council member labor, but I, I had this idea before she spoke and, um, that I uh, strongly support what uh, Mr. Kearney said and and, you know, is he's representing this sustainability task force, um, and I, I, uh, support that solution for, several reasons. One is that it has, one is that I think our goal here is to have the biggest impact on fighting global warming that we can. And I think that's why I want to listen to the sustainability task force on this, I think that, that, um, you know, we don't have that many years to to effectively, we need to do our fighting global warming up front and with as much impact as possible. So um, this is a way to do that. Um, and second, I think there isn't an equity aspect to this, or as council member Lieber said, uh, a, uh, environmental justice aspect, in that, you know, relative to most cities on Earth, uh, Mountain View is a fairly wealthy city, and, uh, and we can fund projects in places that that can't do those projects. And I know that Palo Alto is doing that. They're doing a project in, um, in, I believe, Ojaka, Mexico, and also, um, Well, also, I think that I've talked to Mr. Kearney in the past about, uh, doing projects maybe in uh, California with uh, um, pig farms and so forth, uh, that, that, uh, we could have a big impact closer to home that way if we wanted to. So I strongly support that particular option, um, for that reason. And as a taxpayer, I would most like to make the biggest impact possible in fighting global warning. Thank you.

[02:07:18] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you, Councilman Robbie Koga.

[02:07:22] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Thank you. Um, I had a question um, before I had my comments, um, on attachment one, the status of active CIP projects. Sorry, I missed this. I just saw it. Um, it's uh, Project 1136, the Bonnie Beatrice Street, uh, Open Space Improvements. Um, could you explain, um, I thought this was actually moving along. Um, and if you look at 11, that means from 2011, and I know that we had to hold because of the, um, SFUC for a while, but I thought we had reactivated it, um, but it says here on hold pending resources, good staff, um, provide information or clarification on that. At least.

[02:08:14] Public Works Director Don Cameron: That one may be misnamed, um, labeled in terms of its status. It's, it's really on hold, pending another community meeting. Uh, you are correct. We had something approved by FFPUC for that site. We were ready to go forward with this funding to put it in, but certain members of the community wanted to discuss it further and what other options there could be. So we've been actively working on having another community meeting about this project in the next couple months. And then from there, seeing how we can move forward.

[02:08:49] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Great. That was my understanding too. So thank you for that. Um, so in light of that, uh, one, yes, I, uh, support the, uh, approach and criteria, um, looking at those list. It's a lot and these projects have been on here for quite a while, a lot, most of them. So, um, you know, my interest is to just try to move as many as we can forward, um, with whatever funding we, we can, we can gather. Um, but number two. Um, I appreciate Mr. Carney and, um, you know, he's been a real, um, uh, advisor in terms of our Silicon Valley clean energy work, and so I rarely, if ever, um, disagree with him at that level. Um, but on this issue, um, that, you know, the challenge here is that, um, and Mr. Kearney brings it up. Oh, some of these, um, Improvements are going are going to probably be mandated. Um, but just because they're mandated doesn't mean that they're gonna come with funding, frankly, they're not. They're just going to be mandates. Um, and so we're going to have to figure out how to fund, um, these projects to do the replacements on our cities, facilities and so forth. And so, um, as much as I understand, you know, offsets are the fastest and probably the easiest way, um, to, you know, to make a difference, I guess you can say. Um, I'm more I'm really concerned that we are going to have, we're going to have these requirements on us and we're going to have to figure out how to fund them. And because of that, I would much rather, um, support the reserve fund and put the funding into that to start doing the replacements, um, as quickly as we can for the city. Um, and I was just reading, uh, it was a few weeks ago, Palo Alto Council had discussed their climate change action plan and goals, and, um, you know, they had purchased offsets, I guess, very early on. But since then, they haven't actually done their own improvements is what they've realized in terms of their facilities and so forth. And so they're, you know, in a budget deficit and having to figure out how they're going to do that. So I much would rather keep the funding, you know, here in the city for us to be able to use to do our own improvements. And, you know, if we have funding in the future. We can always purchase more offsets and we may have to to meet our requirements, but I would much rather start planning now for, um, you know, our own, uh, replacement needs. And I think this is part of a bigger topic, frankly, about our sustainability action plan and, you know, our very ambitious goals there, which we're probably going to need to do. But the real question is how we're going to find it. So, um, you know, until we, we can have that larger discussion, I'm inclined to, um, keep the funds in our, a reserve fund. Thanks.

[02:11:54] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you, Councilman Michelle Walter.

[02:11:59] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Thank you. Um, I, uh, I thought that the, uh, approach that the, um, public works department put forward about how to prioritize, um, These, um, unrestricted funds was really thoughtful. But when council member, um, uh, Hicks mentioned active transportation, that sort of spoke to me too. So I wondered, you know, I'm hoping that staff can maybe make a comment about where that fits in. But before I say that, the other thing that council member, um, Hicks said that, is that, um, uh, to make sure that things were, the chronology of projects was set up so that, um, they were done in the right order so that the study happened before, um, you know, the project that would, it would impact. Now, I, that's certainly a best practice, and I'm sort of assuming that you've done that whenever possible. So if you could, you could respond on those 2 things, I'd appreciate it.

[02:13:00] Public Works Director Don Cameron: So, 1st off, just to clarify, when I mentioned active transportation and talking about the criteria, I was referring to our pavement management projects, and how, um, how we would, as we do pavement management, we would make active transportation improvements to the greatest extent possible, such as was done recently with Shoreline Boulevard and California Street, where we put in green bike lanes, high visibility crosswalks, a 4 way stop intersection, which really improves conditions for pedestrians to cross. California Street. So we automatically try to integrate these in as if when we're resurfacing roads because we have a nice blank slate to work with on the road. In terms of other active transportation projects, but we need to remember that there are other transportation funding sources. Uh, you know, we have secured, uh, eligibility for $280000 with the measure B bike pet funds for 4 specific bike pet projects. We have, we're going after another federal grant shortly that could help fund a major project. We, um, We also have the transportation reserve. So we still want to promote active transportation projects, great extent, feasible, but we would 1st try to use these other funds that are geared towards transportation, before we um, take further from the unrestricted funds because we have so many other needs for the unrestricted funds. That would at least be staff's suggestion and approach. As for, in terms of chronology and timing things. Yes, we try to work very carefully to make sure that work that any infrastructure project we're doing out there. We are considering what else may be happening in the same area, and it's timed correctly, or as mentioned by council member Hicks. Um, I believe in the latter years of the CIP, there is money to add a bike facility from Moffett Boulevard north of Middlefield Road, for instance. And you are correct, that ideally, then we would not move forward on that. And if there is going to be some kind of Moffatt Boulevard precise plan, until we know what that looks like. So we do take those types of things into consideration.

[02:15:23] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Thank you. All right. Well, anyway, with that. I, um, I, uh, I, I think I support the approach. I think it's a good approach. And I am really torn about number two. I kind of have, you know, I have, um, I sort of agree almost with what everybody says. Um, on the one hand, um, uh, I think offsets are an easy way to go forward. And we've heard again and again how we have a staffing problem. And from that point of view, you know, I think option one is is a big plus. On the other hand, um, I think that uh, the point that there will many of these conversions will be required and we will have to have money for them and the future is true too. Um, so, um, I, um, I really have, in my mind, I've been flipping back and forth about which one is, is the best. And honestly, on this one, I think I'm going to stay neutral. It's either one or two. Can flip a coin. They'll both be good.

[02:16:41] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. Vice Mayor Ramirez.

[02:16:45] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you, Mayor. Um, so, For question one, I generally support, uh, the approach and criteria. I do want to, uh, 2nd what council member Mattachek, uh, had suggested about pavement maintenance, and I asked a handful of questions about this, um, and appreciate staff's response. I, I, even if we don't have resources available at this time to, um, to increase the, the average PCI, at the very least, I, I do think working towards, um, daylighting, maybe any planning that we have to the public, about where paper maintenance will occur to a greater extent than we have, would be helpful. Um, I, I, I, I can share it with itself. Well, the city of San Jose has, has sort of a, a narrative map that shows precisely which streets will be paved in what year for, for 3 years, I think, and this is part of the, a 9 year cycle to repave every street in the city, and uh, it's very helpful, just in terms of constituent, uh, support. You know, people will often ask, when are we going to repave the streets in my neighborhood, and I can just send out that map, and it generally answers all the questions. And I think part of the challenge here is, the, um, the criteria that we use prioritized streets is a little bit opaque. And it's not easy to dig up on the city website, which streets are scheduled for maintenance. Um, so maybe as an in- as an interim step, you know, while hopefully we can, um, we can build up the, the resources to, to bring the, the average PCI city light up. If we can, if there are some ways we can at least share with the public, how we make these decisions and where the streets that we intend to repave are located. Um, the only other suggestion I had, uh, I asked the question also about, so, somebody else had asked a very good question about, um, library space in the East Western precise plan area, and, um, and I think staff's response at that time was, well, we haven't done an analysis to determine the need. And if we're talking about 5000 housing units in East Wisman and 9850 in North Bay Shore. We really need to start that analysis. Uh, because it's not going to be a trivial matter, finding space for, you know, a library branch or a community center or other public facilities of that nature. Um, so I would be interested in better understanding the staff implications and resource implications of doing that analysis. Um, not just for those areas, but, you know, I think those are, those are probably the areas of focus right now. Um, but aside from those 2 suggestions, I'm comfortable with the approaching criteria. Um, for question 2, um, I was initially supporting the staff recommendation, but I, I do find the argument, com, persuasive that, you know, one of the, um, principles, I think, that I recall reading somewhere is, um, you know, that we're, we're, for these offsets. We need to make investments that would ordinarily not be made. And, uh, it feels like cheating. Um, maybe that's, that's a too harsh a way of putting it, um, to pay for, to, to set aside some money for, um, necessary replacements that we will need, you know, to comply with regulations. Um, it doesn't feel like a true offset if we're going to do it anyway. Um, I do have a preference. I think we've talked about in in other meetings. I'd like to keep the investment local to the greatest extent possible because I think it achieves multiple goals. We, you know, as as the staff report points out. Um, carbon reduction needs to occur everywhere. You know, it, it, the, you know, climate change doesn't, is, is agnostic on where, where carbon is reduced. Um, so we address that problem, and then I think importantly, we invest in our, our, in our own community, and we can sort of achieve other goals as well. So, I, I like the, theory behind what was option 3 and I recognize that it's not feasible. And as a consequence, I, I'd be comfortable with option one. Thank you.

[02:21:30] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. Okay, any other council members have comments for staff? All right, so, um, I'm assuming that that's needed. So, um, for for both question one, I, and two, I had, you know, tended to, to, um, go along with what staff's recommending. I know that there's quite a few moving parts that staff is navigating both in terms of the funding opportunities as well as the staff capacity. So, really want to be sensitive to that. And so, you know, felt like if Stas making these recommendations, um, that works for me. I think when we're talking about environmental justice, I'd love to see if there's a way to kind of fold that under our equity lens. I think since we're already looking at, um, yeah. equity-based budgeting, hopefully the, um, you know, concerns about environmental justice can can also be addressed there. Um, and for, and for two, you know, I feel like, uh, I've had numerous conversations with staff about this one. I'm going to support it at this point. I think that, you know, one of the things that's been so difficult is the location of our city hall and LCPA. It really limits us in terms of what we are able to do. Um, which is unfortunate. Um, but really want to support staff and trying to have some creative solutions, um, on how we can address the location limitations. So hopefully those answers, but question one and two. Does staff have what they need? Maybe we can remove the question screen and we can look to staff and see if they have everything they need, Ms. Cameron. you have everything you need?

[02:23:21] Public Works Director Don Cameron: Oh, we have everything we need for question number one. We appreciate it. I'll let you know that for question 2, how you fell out was 3 of you were leaning towards the offsets, 3 of you leaning towards um, staff's recommendation and one was neutral. I do want to point out that it is not currently required that when we have a domestic water heater, say at the Adobe building or somewhere fail, or ringstorf house, or one of the rental properties that we have, that we convert it to electrical. We, it fails within 24 hours, we're putting in a new natural gas water heater. Um, and it's not required to convert it. And we don't know when or if that were required for existing facilities that are not undergoing remodeling. Um, in order to make these changes to go electric. It will be much more expensive and require more lead time. Um, so if council wants to do something similar to what council member labor mentioned, which is due offsets, but also try to convert our natural gas appliances separately. Um, that's going to take more money and it's, and we'll still have to find a way to make that happen. So, We can take this back and think about it and come back to you in June with some more specific recommendations. Um, I'll just leave it at this. We already know to put in solar water heating for the senior center. is going to cost about $150,000. It's a big facility. That's a big one Um, and we're still looking for money to do that to do, to go solar instead of just replacing it with natural gas. Thank you.

[02:25:07] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay, I see 2 hands. So, uh, council member Hicks, and then council member Avi Koga.

[02:25:15] Councilmember Alison Hicks: So I don't want to, um, mess things up because maybe, uh, Dawn, you'll come up with better ideas than I would, but one idea might be to do a hybrid approach because we're kind of split on this, and that would be, uh, so one idea that that I would suggest is the staff report, uh, talked about uh, carbon offsets through planning more trees, and then there was the, um, Then the staff report went on to say that there actually wasn't enough room for the number that we'd have to do for this particular offset. So I'm wondering if there isn't a way of doing, uh, not the full offset, but, but a good number, more trees than we had, uh, than we have hoped for, or than we had planned, I guess I would say. Um, and that's something that I think the community has also been kind of lobbying for. So I'm wondering if, like I'm saying, there's a sort of hybrid, uh, the fund and the carbon offsets, you know, do a little bit of both, and maybe I know there's a group, Green Spaces, Mountain View, that it's looking for a lot more green spaces, and and maybe you could work hand in hand with them, or maybe you could find the green spaces yourself. Um, but something along that line maybe would be a way of uh, doing a little bit of everything that every council member mentioned. Thank you.

[02:26:45] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay, thank you, Council member Abbe Koga.

[02:26:49] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Thank you. I just wanted to make a comment in why I wanted us. I want us as a city to move forward as quickly as we can and have the funds to do it because it's not, um, to me, it's it's a part about also showing leadership. And, you know, having, Required now, all new buildings to be electric. Um, When we, when this issue came up with City Hall, I really thought we needed to do this electric too. Um, the challenges of the cost, you know, came forward and so we're not able to do that. But I would like to see our other facilities go electric as quickly as we can. And yet we need funding to do that. So that's really why I would like to keep this funding, you know, here in within our city because we need to show leadership if we're going to require this of our residents. I just think we need to be doing it ourselves as a city. So that's why I support the reserve fund. But having said that in that sense that we are at a complete tie, um, you know, I could see a hybrid model and maybe we just split the baby, right? In the cost and you could, you know, yeah, do that. So I would be open to that. But I do really think that we have to, you know, it's hard for us to say, tell residents, you have to go all electric in us as a city not doing that and that I just really have a hard time with that. So that's why I want us to move forward as quickly as we can. Thanks.

[02:28:20] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. All right, Miss Cameron, does that sound like a path forward in terms of question number two?

[02:28:26] Public Works Director Don Cameron: Yes, it does. Thank you.

[02:28:28] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay, great. And I know we've given you other food for thought and feedback, so we look forward to the update in June. All right. So anything else necessary on this item? All right. So I'd like to close the study session and before we move into our regular session. I thought we might take a quick 10 minute break. So if we can come back at 710. Um, and if Miss Vonder Linden, if you don't mind putting up for our folks viewing at home, that will be back in 10 minutes. And apologies to the person who has their hand up in the attendee box, public comment was already taken. Um, but please feel free to um, message the council if you would like. All right. Great. Thanks, everyone. See you at 710. Nicole, the regular session to start. Um, so good evening, everyone. Welcome back to our regular city council meeting of March 23rd, 2021. I'm going to read the usual statement as required. This meeting will be conducted in accordance with the state of California executive order M dash 29-20, dated March 17th, 2020. All members of the city council are participating in this meeting by video conference with no physical meeting location. Members of the public wishing to observe the meeting live may do so at mountain view.legister.com or YouTube at mountain view.gov backslash YouTube and on Comcast channel 26, as noted on the meeting agenda, members of the public may provide oral public comments during the public comment period for the item by signing up at mountain view.gov slash cc underscore speakers or by phone by dialing 669 9009128 and entering webinar ID 957-75082689. Any emails received by 430 p.m. today were received directly by the city council. Emails received after 4.30 PM will not be read during the meeting, but will be entered into the record for the meeting. All votes will be taken by roll call vote. And at this time, I'd like to ask you to join me in the pledge of allegiance and our interim city clerk, Miss Vanderlinden. We'll bring up the flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice fraud. Great, thank you, everyone. We'll move on to item two, which is roll call. Our interim city clerk Vonder Linen will take attendance by roll call.

[02:42:49] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Council member Abi Koga.

[02:42:51] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Here,

[02:42:52] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Kelso member Hicks,

[02:42:53] Councilmember Alison Hicks: here.

[02:42:54] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Celcil member Lieber.

[02:42:56] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Here,

[02:42:56] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Celcil member Manachek.

[02:42:58] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Here,

[02:42:59] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: council member, show Walter.

[02:43:01] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Here,

[02:43:01] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Vice Mayor Ramirez. Mayor Kamei.

[02:43:06] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Here.

[02:43:07] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Thank you.

[02:43:08] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thanks. So we'll move on to item three, which are presentations. So our 1st one tonight will be our march for meals, month proclamation, and you can see my background of this. My background here is the march for meals. Um, And I, at this time before I read the proclamation to accept it will be Michelle Lou, the CEO of the Health Trust. So I will invite Michelle to join us. And pull up the proclamation. Whereas on March 22nd, 1972, President Richard Nixon signed into law a measure that amended the older Americans act of 1965 and established a national nutrition program for seniors over 60. And whereas 19 years ago, the March for Meals campaign was established to recognize the older Americans act nutrition programs and support Meals on Wheels programs. By donating, volunteering, and raising awareness about senior hunger and isolation. Whereas meals on wheels programs, both congregate and home delivered in Santa Clara County, have served the city of Mountain View admirably for nearly 50 years, and whereas volunteers are the backbone of the program. And they not only deliver nutritious meals to seniors and individuals with disabilities who are at risk of hunger and isolation, but also provide caring concern and attention to their welfare. And whereas meals on wheels programs help Mound View seniors maintain their health and independence and help combat the negative health effects and economic consequences of loneliness and isolation. And whereas meals on wheels programs in Santa Clara County deserve recognition for the heroic contributions and essential services they have provided amid the COVID-19 pandemic, and will continue to pride to the city of Mountain View, our state, and our nation long after it is over. Now, therefore, I, Ellen Kamei of the city of Moundview, along with my colleagues in the city council, to here proclaim the month of March 2021 as the 19th annual March for Meals month. to honor our wheels on wheels programs, the seniors they serve, and the volunteers who care for them. Wonderful. All right, Michelle, if you would like, you are welcome to turn on your video if you'd like, you don't have to, but please feel free to unmute and we'd love to hear a few words from you.

[02:45:31] Michele Lew: Thank you so much, Mayor Committee. This is Michelle Lou, CEO of the Health Trust. I'm sitting at a little league game, so I will keep the camera off, but I want to thank you in the council for recognizing March for meals, as you mentioned, this is a month long celebration to raise awareness for meals on wheels. The health dress has been providing meals on wheels for 25 years. And in this past year, we've delivered more meals than in any prior year. Today, we're still delivering between 30400% more meals than we were doing in February of last year. As you know, Mayor Command. We have many Meals on Wheels clients in Mountain View, including the 19 year 98 year old gentleman, you and I visited last week. He is a hoot. And so if any other council members would like to go visit him and deliver a meal, we would love to set that up for you. We do meals on wheels in partnership with you, the city of Mountain View, and we want to thank you for your support and your collaboration. If you or any of your constituents would like to find out more. Please check out healthtrust.org. Or call us toll-free at 800 505-3367. That's 800-505-3367. Thanks so much.

[02:46:59] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Thank you so much, Miss Lou. We really appreciate it. And for those maybe who are not so familiar with the Meals on Wheels program. I just, um, it, the health trust not only has their own pantry where they can, they put together all the meals and then they also go and deliver them via their volunteers. So, um, and at this time, kind of, given the pandemic, they've realized that, um, other essential items, like PPP were necessary, and I know that the health trust stepped up to also give those to the seniors that they provide meals to. So, Michelle, thank you so much for everything you're doing. Um, for our community. It was really great to visit the senior that we met with, who's 98 years old and who had many tales to tell. And we got there before the rain, which is great. Um, so thank you so much. Thank you so much.

[02:47:49] Mayor Ellen Kamei: So maybe, council, can we just give a little virtual round of applause for Michelle and all of the help trusts and Meals on Wheels does for our community? Great. Thank you so much. Really appreciate you joining us. Okay. All right, so we will move on to item 3.2, which is our Red Cross proclamation. And before I read the Red Cross month proclamation, I wanted, um, to invite either David Wells or Ken Torren, um, who I believe is a CEO of the local chapter, uh, to join us. Great. All right, I see David here. Wonderful. Oh, wonderful. Yay, and you have your video up. Good to see you. All right. So the proclamation reads, whereas March is Red Cross month, a special time to honor the kindness of our neighbors who aid families in need every day in Mountain View. Cross the United States and around the world. The American Red Cross's dedication touches 1000000s of lives each year as they carry out the organization's 140 year mission. Of preventing and alleviating suffering. And whereas during the trying times of the coronavirus pandemic, people have stepped up to help others in need, whether it was responding to this year's record breaking disasters across the country, or rolling up their sleeves to give blood when our country faced a severe blood shortage. And whereas here in Mountain View, local families have relied on 42 local resident volunteers for comfort and hope, while coping with 10 area disasters, including wildfires, floods, and house fires. And whereas last year in Mountain View, the Red Cross collected 119 units of blood from local residents, which goes far in supporting area hospitals and in educating the need for newly emerging collection of COVID-19 plasma for recovered patients. And whereas this life saving work is vital to strengthening our community's resilience. Nearly 200 years since the birth of American Red Cross. Founder, Clara Barton. We dedicate this month of March to all those who continue to advance her noble legacy, and we ask others to join in their commitment to care for people in need. Now, therefore, I, Ellen Kimay, mayor of the city of Mountain View, along with my colleagues on the city council, to here proclaim the month of March as American Red Cross month. Wonderful. David, thanks so much for joining us. Would you like to say a few words?

[02:50:21] David Wells: I actually... I'm going to also recognize, I don't know if we have the ability to get Martha Resente, um, if your staff is getting her on here, but... one of the main things.

[02:50:32] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Awesome.

[02:50:33] David Wells: So I'm David Wells, a board member for the Silicon Valley Red Cross, which is our local chapter. Mayor Kim has said all that we need to say, but one of the ways that we use this proclamation is to recognize a local volunteer. So you have a Mountain View resident that I would like to recognize. Martha is actually active in 2 of the service lines of the Red Cross, both our disaster services. So she served in a shelter, and she's a blood ambassador. So I will turn it over to her and say a few words just about what she's done over the last year. Thank you, Martha.

[02:51:05] Martha Rosende: Thank you, David. So, yes, I recently joined the Red Cross, when I got here to Mountain View, looking for opportunities to serve back in our community. Um, I volunteer as a blood donor ambassador, where I meet people that recognize the need to give blood unselfishly to help others. I also had the opportunity to help in Santa Cruz in sheltering. I had the opportunity to help in Napa and Sonoma, um, with the um, outreach programs, the Latino engagement teams that serves and works with the community partners to support our underserved communities. Also, I worked in virtually with the Oregon Fires in December, helping those and with the final recovery. Currently, I'm working in our community with the home fire prevention safety campaign, mostly with Latino communities as well. I love volunteering. Um, it gives me a lot of confident, and the Red Cross has allowed me to use my skill set to help the community need. Um, it's a great opportunity to meet other people as well. Uh, it's a great place. The Red Cross has been a great place to start my volunteer work. Thank you very much. You, counsel.

[02:52:28] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Well, thank you both so much for all that you're doing in our community, and I love that you shared with us a local resident who's doing such great work. So, wonderful. All right, so we will give you our virtual round of applause and thank you both for joining us. Thank you.

[02:52:46] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Thank you. All right. And let's see. We'll move on to item 3.3, which is our certificates of recognition to our STEM, our science, technology, engineering, and math winners, with the Santa Clara Valley Science, and Engineering Fair Association. I'm happy to acknowledge and congratulate the students for winning a STEM award slash recognition at the Santa Clara Valley Science and Engineering Fair Association. So, um, that we had so many winners. What we decided to do was rather than, um, have them all, I think, into the Zoom screen. I'm going to be reading all their names. Um, and I think they're going to have a representative um, to be able to share with us. And, um, this was brought to our attention too through the office of county education for Santa Clara County. So, um, I want to recognize uh, Dawson Chen, Michael Chen Ang. Erin Yako Feldman. Nathaniel Fichtenholtz. Daniel Gosemfarr. Alone, Canan. Milo, Levine, Adrian Wen Lu. Gian, Gian, Lo? Natasha Mata. Yash, Sri, Sri, Kanat, Kasikar, Franklin Yi, Rowan, Anderson, Uteg Wang. David W Zhang. Congratulations to all of you. And now I believe your board member, Forrest Williams will say a few words. So we'll ask Mr. Williams to join us and bring him in. Hello, Mr. Williams, how are you? I think you just need to unmute. All right. I see multiple names for you, Mr. Williams. I'm hoping that if I bring all of you over. That you will be able to hear me. Oh, there you go. Are you there? Hello. It's one of you, Mr. Williams. All right, let's see. I'm just, thank you to my colleagues for their patience. It looks like everyone joined us, Mr. Williams. So we have about 8 Forest Williams. Hoping, hopefully one of them is is really Mr. Williams. Oh, I see you. Hello. Hi, castle member. How are you? Okay, you just need to unmute. Oh, can you unmute?

[02:56:39] Forest Williams: Okay. Finally got through, but I want to thank the Mayor Kame and all of the members of the city council on Mountain View for taking the opportunity. I know they're very busy with their schedule and activities and demands on their time. But you took the time to recognize your own students and the one from Mountain View. That have done significant work. They have achieved a great deal, and we just wanted them to meet you and just tell, show you what they've done in terms of the future. Uh, the mission of the Santa Clara Vella Science and Engineering Fair Association is to encourage parents, encourage students, encourage enemies, friends about the excitement, of discovery, of STEM. As you know, as we look forward to the future. More and more, we're going to depend on the, the, the astuteness of science, to solve many of our problems, and to see students, pursuing them with bigger and with determination, and with results that are worthy of considering, uh, I'm just, I'm overwhelmed, and I'm excited because that's my background, and uh, I have a doctor's degree in electrical engineering and uh, The things that we've done to change the world, uh, that's our opportunity to even take steps further. So I want to thank you and really do appreciate it so very much. You don't know how much you've done. You, you change their lives. You've been a part of the future. As we go forth, we have the opportunity to shape our future. So we want to create the individual an opportunity for them and encourage them to pursue their goal and hopefully we'll be in science and technology. So, thank you again.

[02:58:42] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you so much. Wonderful. Thank you, and it's so good to see you. Those electrons were kind of eluding, you know, they weren't really following my commands, but we probably got them corral and glad to see you. So thank you again.

[02:59:02] Forest Williams: Thank you. I want to thank, uh, everyone who helped us and, uh, especially the kids. They will they will last. This will last a lifetime for them. And thank you.

[02:59:16] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Thank you so much. Right. So, um, at this time, I'd like to ask for public comment, if there's any public comment on our meals for wheels, month proclamation, our Red Cross, month proclamation, or the certificates of recognition to our STEM winners. And please feel free to raise your hand. In Zoom, or press star 9 on your phone. And the city clerk will do a 2 minute timer, and I see someone with their hand raised in the box. All the one, Chandri? Go ahead and unmute.

[03:00:07] Dr. Aulena Chaudhiri: I think I am unmuted.

[03:00:08] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes, go ahead.

[03:00:13] Dr. Aulena Chaudhiri: The video is off though.

[03:00:16] Mayor Ellen Kamei: You can feel, you can feel free to do your public comments. I'm not sure that it allows for video on in public comment.

[03:00:23] Dr. Aulena Chaudhiri: Okay, okay. Um, I'm Alina Chaudhary. I am Dr. Alina Chaudhary, and I'm on the board of the Santa Clara Valley Science and Engineering, Fair Association. Um, I'm uh, very happy uh, to recognize and congratulate the winners of the championship of last year. We just did another, we had a very successful championship on March 11th, virtually though. Um, Our job here is to encourage the, The young scientists so they can achieve their goals. And the fair is an opportunity for them to showcase their research. We are here to mentor them and um, You know, in science and engineering and biotechnology. I'm very happy to be here to congratulate them and encourage these students. Thank you.

[03:01:19] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Thank you so much. Would anyone else like to provide public comment on any of our 3 items and presentations? All right, so seeing none, I'll bring it back to you, counsel, and we'll move on to our consent calendar. These items will be approved by one motion unless any member of the council wishes to remove an item for discussion. The reading of the full texts and resolutions and ordinances will be waived unless the council member requests otherwise. Would any member of council like to pull an item. Council member show Walter.

[03:01:56] Councilmember Pat Showalter: I don't want to pull an item from the voting. I just want to comment on an item. It's the 4.4, the sailing lake access road improvement construction project. I just, this is really an important project for our sea level rise protection work. Earlier today, we were talking about, um, what we need to do to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and that's very, very important, but the, but the work that we do at home, to protect ourselves from, uh, the bay that's rising is really important too. And um, this project is necessary so that, uh, this road is, um, uh, is reinforced so that it can carry heavy equipment that's needed to do some other projects that will protect us. So it's really important. And also, I know that because this road qualified as a dam, the staff had to work with the California Department of Safety of Dams, which is, um, a very, very, uh, careful, as it should be, regulatory group. And so I know that they have done a tremendous amount of work to get to this and get these permits. So, um, I just wanted to compliment them and uh, and thank, thank them for this work. And I'd be glad to make the motion. Do I have to read anything?

[03:03:19] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Oops. Yes. We still need to take public comment for the...

[03:03:25] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Oh, okay.

[03:03:25] Mayor Ellen Kamei: You need to take Papa Con first.

[03:03:27] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay. But after I take public comment, I will go right back to you, guys, I have a show, Walter. Councilman Proceiver.

[03:03:35] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Well, in a similar vein to council member show, Walter, I just wanted to offer a kudos to stay off on this, um, particular report on the sailing lake. I think that, um, you know, so often, uh, just members of the public and, including myself, kind of wonder, um, does government really have a grasp on, on the issues? And this was such a great staff report in going through all of the, the plant and animal species and the, the dynamics about this very important work as council member show Walter, um, uh, commented. And, and also, um, you know, I, I think that during the pandemic, it's really been proven what an incredible asset, uh, the sailing lake and the surrounding, um, trails and, and uh, open space are at shoreline. So just big kudos to staff for a great report. I read it, enjoyed it. I handed it to my husband. He actually read it. There may be something wrong with us, but we thought it was a great read. So, kudos to stay up for that one.

[03:04:48] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. All right, so I'm gonna do public comment at this time. So would any member of the public on the line like to provide comment on an item on the consent calendar? If so, please click the race, hand button in Zoom, or craft star 9 on your phone. The interim city clerk will display our 2 minute timer on the screen. All right, Kyoshi Taylor.

[03:05:16] Kiyoshi Taylor: Hi, My name is Keosha Taylor. Last summer I helped lead one of the largest marches Silicon Valley I've ever seen through downtown Mountain View. And at that march, we all kind of agreed that this was much more than a protest. That it would be a catos for change. When I speak, when I was speaking to the good people of Mountain View. I realized, I was saying the same things. I was saying 5 years ago, when I led a smaller BLM March against police brutality. At that March, I'd come, at the March in 2020, I had conversations with the police officers, some who thanked me. For for the work we are doing, for wanting reform. But I also had police officers who treated me like animals. And my whole life. In Mountain View, it's been a coin flip on which one I'd get. I spent half my time at MVHS high school, and the stories of police harassment for me are the same ones I'm hearing today. When the schools were still open. I'm asking you guys to open your hearts. And open your eyes. In the age where mental health is such a major issue. It's time we relook these archaic methods we currently have in place. A badge and a gun should never be trusted with mental health crisis. And we are looking at, we should be looking at professionals, similar, similar to what Los Altos high schools doing, and the city is doing to deal with these issues. The school of the prison pipeline needs to be broken and replaced with reason and empathy. I pray to you guys, that you open your door, to a true dialogue, and help build a better future for all of our students. Thank you.

[03:07:06] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you, Kyoshi. So I just wanted to clarify. I didn't want to interrupt you. So right now we're doing public comments on the consent calendar, and I'm guessing that you probably wanted to speak under item 5, which is the oral communications from the public. Um, because I don't, I don't think we are addressing any of that on the consent calendar at this time. So, but I wanted to make sure that you were able to to still share with us. So, um, I just wanted to, to clarify that we're still on the consent calendar. Um, So there's there's no other hands race, so let's bring it back to the council. If we could remove the timer on the screen. Great, thank you. And we will go to Counselor Michelle Walter.

[03:07:57] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Okay. So, uh, I move that we, um, approved the consent calendar, item 4.one, approved the minutes. Um, item 4.2 uh, review and accept the 2020 annual housing element progress report, attachment one to the council report. Item 4.3, adopt project list for Senate Bill, um, one road repair and accountability act of 2017. Adopt a resolution of the city of City Council, the city of Mountain View, adopting a list of projects for funding received from Senate Bill one, the road repair and accountability act of 2017 during fiscal year, 2021, 22, to be read entitled only, further reading wave, detachment one of the council report. And, um, item 4.4, sailing lake access road improvements. Um, adopt the negative, um, the mitigated negative declaration of environmental impact for the sailing lake, Access road improvement, Project 2153, in accordance with the California Environmental Quality Act, attachment one to the council report. To authorize the city manager to execute an agreement for sale of mitigation credits from San Francisco Bay, um, wetland mitigation bank for .one acres of wetland mitigation credit, to meet the San Francisco Bay regional water quality control boards, mitigation requirement for the sailing lake access road improvement project, 2153 in a not to exceed amount of $190,000. And then 4.5, um, except, The 201819 street resurfacing and slurry seal program, project 1901 and authorize the final contract payment, and accept the concrete sidewalk and curb repairs, project 18 dash 6 and authorize the final contract payment. And? 4.6. Um, adopt a resolution of the city of Mountain View, approving the execute execution of a tax exempt loan or loans by the California Municipal Finance Authority, for the benefit of St. Francis High School, and a maximum aggregate principal amount of $40000000 in one or more series, for the purpose of financing and refinancing, the acquisition, construction, expansion, renovation, retrofitting, equipment, Equipping, and improvement of various educational administrative facilities owned, occupied, and operated by St. Francis High School of Mountain View, California, within the city, and certain other matters relating thereto, to be read entitled only further reading waived, attachment one to the council report.

[03:10:43] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. Counselor Mattachek.

[03:10:46] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thank you all, 2nd commotion.

[03:10:52] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. We have a motion, uh, and a 2nd and so I will turn it over to interim city clerk Baunder Linden to take the role.

[03:11:00] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Council member of Yoga.

[03:11:02] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Hi.

[03:11:03] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Council member, Hicks.

[03:11:05] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Yes,

[03:11:05] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: also my believer.

[03:11:07] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Hi,

[03:11:07] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Council member Medichek.

[03:11:09] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Yes,

[03:11:10] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Council member Showalter.

[03:11:12] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yes.

[03:11:13] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Vice mayor Ramirez.

[03:11:15] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Yes.

[03:11:16] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Mayor Kamei.

[03:11:17] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes,

[03:11:17] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: thank you.

[03:11:19] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Thank you. All right, all. It seems that, uh, we we missed a presentation under the presentation item. So we're going to quickly go back and turn it over to our city manager, Miss McCarthy, to give us our latest COVID-19 presentation.

[03:11:36] City Manager Kimbra McCarthy: Thank you, Mayor. Apologies for not jumping in there. I will start sharing my. screen here to do the COVID-19 update. All right, here we go. Okay. So like I do every week, just wanted to start with a snapshot of where we're at right now, uh, with the county and the city in terms of our numbers. So, um, the good news is like, uh, the last update a couple weeks ago, things are trending on a downward, um, projection. So, uh, the COVID cases, um, from the county, since our last update have increased about 4600 cases. And in Mountain View right now. We're at 2877 positive cases. So this is an increase of about 117 cases. Um, and this is over a 2 week period. So if you recall, we were seeing those numbers on a daily basis. So, um, things are definitely looking better in terms of um, lower, lower case numbers and less people actually testing positive. So this slide right here is basically a visual depiction of that. What this is, is the 7 day average of new cases countywide. Um, I've shared this before and you can see that, um, here in the high, the peak of around 2200 cases in January, right after the holidays. Um, and my last couple updates, we were hovering at around 250 between 250 and 300 cases, um, every week and now we're starting to trend down to 108, 118 cases, um, as the 7 day average. And again, this is county wide. So, you can see that uh, we, we are definitely on that um, downward trend. In terms of where we're at countywide with our tier. So it was just announced today that Santa Clara County is moving into the orange tier tomorrow. Basically, what this means is that there are new expanded capacity limits and doors. So this means retail stores, shopping centers are at 100% capacity. Restaurants, indoors, are at 50% capacity or 200 people, whichever is fewer, gyms and fitness centers and family entertainment centers are also at 25% now. Um, one thing to note is that there is no change yet, though, on offices. Um, and this also means to city hall. So businesses are still required to telework to the maximum extent possible. So even though there are certain economic sectors that are opening, um, there are still those limits for offices. So, um, as things progress, and as as we move forward over the next several months with case numbers continuing to go down and we move into the next tier, uh, and we start to see the guidelines from the state and county, we will have more information about that at that time about uh, what they will be or will not be allowing in terms of offices. So we are going to be opening our library facility with various reopening plans. So we have our partial reopening plan for April 15th. And what's going to change is that we're actually now going to have indoor browsing and holds pickup. So that's going to be Thursday through Saturday from 2 to 6 PM. And we will still have our grab and go outdoor holds pickup. That's going to be Tuesday and Wednesday from 2 to 6 PM. And we're also going to now have computer appointments available up to 45 minutes. So that's going to be Thursday through Saturday from 2 to 6 PM. And we will have sign ups available starting on April 8th. In terms of what's happening with vaccines. Um, so, it really isn't too much of a change from my last update where we are still seeing a shortage of supply in Santa Clara County. So right now, even 1st dose appointments are currently limited, and the county is encouraging people to check back at the SCC freevax.org website in order to see about appointments and how the appointments are changing. I will note that a new eligibility group opened last Monday, March 15th. So people with high risk medical conditions are now also eligible to be vaccinated, along with all of those other groups that have been eligible, um, these last several weeks. So again, this is something that the county is trying to work out with the state and work through some of the challenges that they're having with getting more dosages in our county because it has been a problem these last several weeks. The other thing that is new news is that the governor announced that all Californians over the age of 16 should be eligible for the vaccine by the end of April. So we're hoping what this means is that we will start to see more vaccination dosages available in the Bay Area. Um, what what's happened is that a lot of the dosages have gone to um, various communities in southern California and also to communities that are on an equity matrix that the state has put out where um, certain communities have been um, some of the hardest hit with the most positive number of cases throughout the state. We do have a couple of those communities in Santa Clara County, that the county is advocating for more vaccine dosages. But again, this is something that, um, we are trying to work out with the state, uh, we don't yet have any, uh, late news about that, but with this governor's announcement, the dosages should be available for everyone by the end of April. We're really hoping that we'll start to see more numbers come into our county. So this is a snapshot of how many folks countywide have actually been vaccinated so far. The blue color are the 1st dose vaccines that have been given, and the green color shows those that have had their 2nd doses completed. So right now, um, 16% of people over 16 years old um, have completed their vaccination, their full vaccination dosage. So, so 2 vaccines. And if you'll remember, when I 1st started showing the slide, about, I think it was about a month and a half ago, we were at around 6%, and the last time was 10%. And so now we're at 16%. So as we start to see more vaccine dosages in our county. Hopefully this number will continue to go up a lot faster. In terms of our testing, we are still providing testing at our facilities, the next event is on April 6th from 9.30 to 4 p.m. at our center for the performing arts, and you can go to SCCfreeTest.org to sign up for an appointment to get tested. Then pivoting to an update on a couple of our programs underway for our rent relief program. Right now, there have been uh, 1900, little over 1900, um, checks that have been cut to households in need for rent relief, and that's about $4200000 of the remaining available 5.300000 or, I guess, I should say, total funding available 5.3 million. So the average assistant still continues to be a little over $2100 and um, CSA is working hard to get through those applications and um, get those checks out to households that need it. I also want to let the community know that we have our city annual update planned for Thursday, April 1st. It's going to be from 8.30 to 9.30 in the morning. It's called Hope In View, where we will be presenting, um, all of the work that has been underway this past year and also talking about what we have in store for us, um, and really looking forward to, um, some of the positive developments on the horizon and especially moving into the orange tier that's very positive for the county. Um, really presenting a focus to the community of of where we think that we're headed. So this is open to everyone, free for all, via Zoom, and you can register at chambermb.org. The city is co-sponsoring this event with the Chamber of Commerce. So, please join us if you can at that time. Also, I want to let everyone know that we are hosting a budget 101 workshop for the community on Tuesday, April 6th, at 6 PM. And at this point, we're going to have, um, an interactive, um, presentation for the community just really about the budget, how we develop the budget, where revenue comes from, how money is spent. And we're also going to talk about the trade-offs that occur when making different budget decisions and allow for the community to participate and see how that all works. And then lastly, I want to give a special thank you to our parks division staff who've been working really hard and preparing our fields as youth sports, have now been able to open back up. So right now they're readying our baseball and softball fields. So far, they've prepared 16 ball fields total. They've placed 8 tons of field conditioner this season. And they've used 25 tons of what's called pack belt and field mix. It's the same as what's used at the giant stadium. Um, so they've been busy doing that over these last several weeks and I want to really thank them for everything that they've done. Victor Ramirez. Eric Lopez Sanchez, Lon, Takanaga, Sam Stek, Alfonso Flores, and Anthony and Ceso. So thank you all to those staff that have been working really hard on our fields. And lastly, I also want to let everyone know that we have incorporated what used to be the briefing, which was just a COVID update into a bigger update that's also about City Hall news along with the COVID update. So you can text 22828. Um, actually, text City Hall news to 22828 to receive that update every 2 weeks. And again, it's a comprehensive update on all the things that are happening at city hall along with the latest COVID-19 news. So with that, I would just remind everyone to mask up, stay safe. Practice all of the um, health and safety, practices that we've been doing over these last many months, and and thank you all for being so great and masking up MB. So I'll turn it back over to you now, mayor. Thank you.

[03:22:50] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you so much. I see council member Hicks hands up.

[03:22:55] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Yes, I just had a question for the city manager. Um, on, on that report. You know, I've been getting several requests from residents asking with, you know, as we go down in the tears and we open things up more. Are there any thoughts on when council will be back on the diets? Um, and people had various reasons that they wanted to know that I don't remember all of them, but some of it was sort of an equity issue that not everybody can get on, um, on Zoom, the way we are now, although certainly I think some people can get on Zoom and not get into, into Sitting Hall. So, but still, I'm wondering whether you have any thoughts about that.

[03:23:38] City Manager Kimbra McCarthy: Um, yes, council member Hicks, that's a good question. So, um, we are still under the guidelines to where offices, like I mentioned it when we moved into the orange tier, where offices are still um, continuing to be closed, except for only essential services. So that does apply to city hall. So right now, there will not be any council meetings in person at any point probably in the immediate or near future, but staff, uh, we are preparing for what a potential uh, change might be. So not only having council meetings here at City Hall, but also what some sort of hybrid council meeting approach might be. Um, this is something that all cities are preparing for and talking about. It's a topic of conversation that I'm having with a lot of my colleagues in the other cities. I'm working on it with our IT director, in our city clerk's office. So this is something that is on our radar. Um, but to specifically answer your question. It will not be anytime soon. Uh, we still have to follow those county and state guidelines uh, with offices being closed. And so once the county and state allow that, then uh, we will pivot into that operation. So, we'll definitely make sure to let the community, um, and council know once we uh, land on more decisions, but it is something that we are actively uh, thinking about and planning for right now.

[03:25:07] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Thank you.

[03:25:10] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. Any other council members have questions? All right. Well, at then at this time, I'd like to open it up for public comment. Um, if any member of the public um, has any public comment, please feel free to raise your hand um, in Zoom, or press star 9 on your phone. Okay. Here we go. And we could set a 2 minute timer, Ms. Vonder Linden. That would be great. All right. Eva Tang.

[03:25:41] Eva Tang: Hey. Um, Ooh, sorry, I have the meeting playing in another speaker too. Anyway, just wanted to sing my phrases for the public library of Mountain View. Um, really been getting me through some tough times here, like no kidding. I'm not even joking right now. Um, and uh, especially because their digital collection got expanded uh, on hoopla, so, thank you library, that's all.

[03:26:10] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. Tim McKenzie.

[03:26:15] Tim MacKenzie: Eva has inspired me. I would love to sing the peons of the public library. Libraries are the greatest achievement that civilization has got. Imagine we tried to make a library today. Wait, you're just gonna give away books for free? How will it make money? I'm glad that they already existed by the time I came into this world so that I could read the benefits and thank you, Eva, for inspiring me to speak up and I yield my time. Thank you, counsel.

[03:26:42] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Thank you. All right, that looks like it concludes public comment so we can bring it back to council. All right. So, at this time, I'd like to move on to item 5, which is oral communications. This portion of the meeting is reserved for persons wishing to address the council on any matter not on the agenda. Speakers are allowed to speak on any topic for up to 3 minutes during this section. State law prohibits the council from acting on non-agenda items, but any member of the public on the line like to provide comment on non-agenda items. If so, please click the raise hand button in Zoom or press star 9 on your phone. The city clerk will display the 3 minute timer on the screen. Okay, Sebastian, rebu- rebuys?

[03:27:38] Sebastian Brisbois: Hello. you hear me?

[03:27:39] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes.

[03:27:41] Sebastian Brisbois: Hey, so I'm calling in today because I recently learned last week that there was an incident involving MVPD and the Palo Alto police as well, where a police dog was instructed to attack an innocent Mountain View resident while he was sleeping. So this is very alarming that this happens here in our city. I know quite a few of the council members have been saying that, you know, policing's great here. There's no problems. And, you know, we're not like cities like Minneapolis, San Jose, or we're not, what not? fill in the blank of some city that we want to act like we're not. Sure, we haven't had the same exact cases, like these other cities, but this is a clear example of a problem in our city that can and has just happened just last summer. So, We need to look at this and take a serious look at how policing can be improved in the city and not just act like it's a community and policing relationship issue in the city. We already know, looking at the data, that black residents are about 6 times as likely as white residents to be arrested, as well as Hispanic residents being about 4 times as likely, as white residents to be arrested. So we already knew there's some need for improvement. And this incident of police brutality. is another example of why there needs to be improvement here. I think an important thing to point out is that this, yes, this was Palo Alto police, but this was in conjunction with MVPD and it happened in Mound View. So this can't simply be dismissed as something our neighbors did. It also fits into the entire policing issue in the U.S. So it's time to act and make a change to our system. Yield my time. Thank you.

[03:30:04] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Megan Block?

[03:30:13] Megan Blach: Hi there, can you hear me?

[03:30:14] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes, I hear you

[03:30:16] Megan Blach: Hi, thanks. My name is Megan Block and I'm a teacher at Los Altos High School. I'm calling today to ask Mountain View City Council to commit to voting on the removal of SROs on student campuses. This addresses the racist history of policing in schools and the greater community. Um, it was just last week that I was leading a Socratic seminar discussion when I had a student who talked about um, how she had experiences at Mountain View High School before being at Los Altos, uh, where she was targeted and harassed by the police, um, there on a consistent basis by the SRS, as were other Latinx community members. Um, it is time for restorative justice practices, implementing an ethnic studies curriculum, providing holistic student health services, and investing in a community created district safety and mental health plan. These important changes will take time and thoughtful collaboration, which is why the discussion and planning needs to begin now. Thank you. I yield my time.

[03:31:15] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Kelsey Josephend?

[03:31:21] Kelsey Josund: Hi. Um, thanks for taking time to listen to us about this and giving us 3 minutes this time. Loving that. We've heard, uh, we've been calling on city council for a long time now, um, to, Reconsider the way that policing works here in Mountain View, and I think one of the really common responses that we've heard from people in leadership in the community has been that pleasing hair is really great. And I think after what we saw last week with the way that the, um, PSAB was selected, it seems like we are. We have a lot of people who are in the position of power to make change, who believe that we don't have this problem here. And as Sebastian talked about with the police dog incident. I think it's pretty clear that this is an issue that's here. Um, and we've been saying this for a while now as well. Just looking at the statistics of who interacts with the police. Um, and what those interactions are like. It seems very clear to me that we need to be taking this very seriously. And finding solutions to solve the problems we do have rather than pretending that there aren't any problems because we haven't yet had any fatalities. I think that it's really short sighted to act as if the fact that that kind of thing hasn't happened means that it won't happen. Um, Because I think we have the kind of relationship between the community and the police that makes that kind of thing very possible. And that's a fear that we all have all the time and we need to address it.

[03:32:59] Kelsey Josund: Thank you.

[03:33:01] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Roheen Gosh?

[03:33:07] Rohin Ghosh: Hi, uh, good evening, counsel. I wanted to speak out today. 1st and foremost, uh, on behalf of the Santa Clara County High School Democrats, in solidarity with uh, the students from CCNBAHS, um, and the mid vast majority of high school students at Mountain High School, uh, in support of the council taking action, uh, to remove police officers from school campuses. Don't let Palo Alto and Los Altos be better than Mountain View in this regard. Uh, those duties have already ended their programs of having police on high school campuses within their city. Uh, time Mountain View joins the club and stops having police on campus that clearly, uh, from the experiences as described by, especially black students, have not done their job in keeping students safe and have done quite the opposite. Uh, in addition, I like to add that, uh, I hope that the city of Mountain View, uh, follows, um, the settlement requests of, uh, Mr. Joel Alejo, and really reevaluates how policing is done from the lens of the fact that something is wrong right now, in Mountain View and Palo Alto all over this region. The fact that Mountain View Police Department invited Palo Alto Police to send in, uh, Officer Nick Enberg, who repeatedly has been shown to not actually really be a legitimate police officer and really to just be a criminal thug, is, uh, is really telling. And I think that there needs to really be a radical look at how we do policing. And I think step one of that is to Remove, uh, listen to these 2 moves of color who've been speaking out and get police off on the high school campus. Mountain Views make more progressive than its neighbors in many regards, not in this one. And, uh, it's time for Mountain View to stop letting Palo Alto and Los Altos be the better cities in this regard. Get with the program, please. Thank you.

[03:35:22] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Miriam C.

[03:35:27] Miriam C: Hi, this is Miriam. I'm a member of NBC for the Mountain View coalition for police reform and accountability. Um, I, I raised my hand today to comment on this uh, incident where Joel Leo was bitten by a PAPD police dog. I found this incident really upsetting both in just the particulars of what happened, but also, because it, um, it happened in Mountain View's jurisdiction, and it really seems avoidable, but it also feels really hard to make the changes in Mountain View that would have prevented this and that will prevent it in the future. Community members have been calling for change since June, but it hasn't been prioritized because, um, a lot of people here feel that police abusive force isn't an urgent problem here. And that very month in June, Joel Alejo was attacked by a police dog. So I'd like to ask city council to take this issue seriously, acknowledge that changes needed and listen to the calls that we're hearing from high school students and teachers tonight to remove SROs. It's just one of the things we can do in Mountain View to make a real change. Thank you.

[03:36:38] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Catherine White?

[03:36:43] Katherine Lai: Um, hi, can you hear me?

[03:36:45] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes, I hear you.

[03:36:46] Katherine Lai: Okay. Um, yeah, my name is Catherine Lyon. I'm a student at Los Altos High, and I'm calling into the Mountain View. to, um, to, to pressure them to commit to voting on the removal of SROs, um, to echo what some other people have said tonight. It addresses the racist history of policing in schools and the greater community. I, as a student, have read and heard countless testimonies sharing about negative experiences with SROs, and I recognize the fear people of color have that they'll be suspected or questioned for no other reason besides their race. And I think that that's something that doesn't belong in a school environment or really in any environment. Um, especially one where students are supposed to be learning and feeling safe. And as a student myself, I feel very, like I feel, um, I feel really badly for those students who've had to experience things like that and, um, and who have received little to no, um, you know, responses to how they've been treated. And, um, it is time for restorative justice practices, implementing an ethnic studies curriculum to facilitate thoughtful discussions on race, gender, intersectionality and identity. Um, providing holistic student health services and investing in a community created district safety and mental health plan that will truly support and prioritize the students. Think that that's really important as well because mental health is a big thing that the schools consistently talk about. But um, as students, we always feel that there's a little bit of a divide. Um, And these important changes will take time and thoughtful, um, collaboration, which is why the discussion and planning needs to begin now. Additionally, I hope that the discussion will involve members of the communities who will be most impacted by these changes and policies. Um, So again, just to reiterate, I urge the Mountain View City Council, to commit to voting on the removal of SROs, as well as, um, the other things I've mentioned. Thank you.

[03:38:59] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. I agree.

[03:39:06] Ellie Greene: Hello, counsel, can you hear me?

[03:39:07] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes.

[03:39:08] Ellie Greene: Hi, my name is Ellie Green, and I'm a high schooler at Mountain View High School, and I want to ask you, what kind of dystopian novel we're living in, where you have high schoolers, as young as 14, working together and coordinating, calling their city government, asking them to get police officers off of their high school campuses? What kind of world are we living in where since June, I believe? Community members have been asking for change and the council has sat on a figurative diets since we're not in person and done nothing. What kind of world are we living in? Where high schoolers? 14 year olds? Have to come to their city officials telling them they don't feel comfortable walking to class, telling them they're late for tests because they're going the long way around campus because they feel unsafe. Telling them and going to the leaders, the ones that were elected to protect them, to serve to their best interest, and saying we're not safe. And yet having to look a council in the eye month after month and see that they're doing nothing. You are sitting here, you have been sitting here, and I recognize that the council has shifted over the past couple months for the better in my opinion. But we are sitting here in the same place that we once were with no action taken. We are sitting here with high schoolers organizing. We are sitting here with still unsafe schools and we are now looking to go back in a couple of weeks. And we don't know where police officers fit into that. This is the time to take action. You have had months where easy transition could have been made because officers were not required for high school campuses. You have had months and you have done nothing. It is time to prioritize your students. time to prioritize safety. You want to talk about education? You want to talk about mental health? Talk about making schools safe. And look at yourself, look yourself in the eye, in the mirror, and realize you are the ones keeping students in danger. On their school campuses where they are supposed to be safe. Enough is enough and now is now. Take action. I want. I'm urging the council. To pledge, to vote in favor of removing SROs from our high school campuses, protect our students. Because it shouldn't be high schoolers responsibility on a Tuesday night to be talking to their city council. Thank you so much and I yield my time to the chair.

[03:41:32] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Salim Damardigi?

[03:41:40] Salim Damerdji: Hi, um, I'm Salim. I, uh, used to work for Mountain View High School, actually, as a debate instructor, um, way back when and I just want to reaffirm the comments you've been hearing. Um, uh, so, one thing to note, um, you know, you heard a comment already about uh, Joel Alejo. Uh, a man, a Mountain View resident who was attacked by a canine unit, um, the police video only came out last week. I would encourage people on city council to watch these videos. They're quite hard to watch. Um, Officer Enberg of the canine unit, commanders his dog to bite the span, um, Joel Alejo, without looking at Joel Alejo. I mean, Joel Alejo looks nothing like the guy that they're going after. I mean, they didn't even, obviously they didn't ask for his name. The man's asleep. And Officer Enberg is telling the dog to bite him. Uh, Ders is what he says, uh, which is a Czech command for that. Um, and then the PAPD starts arresting him. I mean, the guy just like, I can imagine if you're in his position, right? Like, you get woken up to a dog biting you, and then immediately, the police start arresting you, and one of them starts yelling, stop resisting, as the dog is still biting your leg. So, the, the footage that came out is extremely disturbing, there, there was a protest uh, on Sunday with a few dozen people who came. Um, and, you know, this is a local issue. I know that we haven't had an incident on the scale of George Floyd, but this is a local issue. We need to talk about excessive use of force by the police. Um, we also need to talk about what happens on school campuses when students are seeing cops needlessly on campus amidst all the turmoil that's going on nationally. I mean, I I would hate to be in the position of going through school as a, you know, young student of color, seeing what's happening on the news with George Floyd, with Breonna Taylor, and then going to school and seeing a cop just, for no reason on campus, and when you think about the SRO program, like, really that is at the end of the day, what it does, it could cost on campus when there is not a crime. And when you ask yourself, should there be an SRO program, you should ask, should cops be there? Because they need to be there, or should they be there just because we're not investing enough in our students? and investing enough in, in other ways of supporting students with, you know, mental health uh facilities or not? So I, I support the calls for having improved ethnic studies classes for, uh, removing SROs from campus the way Los Altos did. Um, it's incredible that young people are coming out to, to speak on these issues, they really shouldn't have to. You know, it's, it's crazy that, you know, it's almost been a year since last summer's, you know, turmoil and we, we haven't really done much. We created an advisory body. We asked some, you know, researcher at Berkeley to take a look, but what change has been made? Honestly, it's hard for me to say. So I hope that we step up and do something. Thank you. I y my time.

[03:44:46] Mayor Ellen Kamei: You get tank?

[03:44:49] Eva Tang: Hi, can you hear me?

[03:44:51] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes.

[03:44:52] Eva Tang: Oh, I don't know why I didn't ask last time. Anyway. Um, hi counsel. Uh, thank you for the chance to apply and both um, uh, sorry, both apply and be appointed for our new public safety advisory board. Um, I really appreciate that, um, You know, I even have the chance to, um, put it out there. Um, and so I'm also calling tonight about the Joel Alejo incident. Um, and if you didn't know, the officer involved from Palo Alto police department has been involved in not one, not 2, but 3 prior lawsuits, uh, involving inappropriate use of force. So, um, it feels a little dishonest to have our HRC do a lot of story collecting and MVP and MVPDX do reports on like their really great record and then council members give glowing recommendations of our PD and say, this is not a local issue. We're not in Minneapolis, we're not New York. When this happened all the way back in June, um, and you know, we just didn't know about it. We would have called attention to it, but we didn't know about it till now. Um, we wasted a lot of staff time and resources. Um, trying to come up with this advisory body, what, but, um, it's 9 months later and we have no concrete action. And so I'm wondering how fiscally responsible it was to do that. Um, I have an issue with, uh, well, I mean, maybe I should take it up with them, but, um, a, a large portion of the fellow members of the P sub thinking that we only have, you know, PR issues for the police department. Um, and instead of that, we actually really need concrete policy and budget change that reflects our city values. And honestly, it's really embarrassing because even though it's Palo Alto Police Department, that, you know, this, that did this, um, it happened within our city within our, uh, and on MVPD's watch and jurisdiction. Um, and so, Um, given that it's not his 1st offense, I mean, if I'm going to collaborate with somebody at school, like, uh, you know, since I'm a teacher, I really don't want to collaborate with someone who's punched a kid before, you know, like it's, it's just not a good look. Um, and so what I'm really hoping, uh, that you do is, um, that you hold Palo Alto PD accountable. If there are good cops, you know, you're going to turn in bad cops. It's not his 1st rodeo, you know? He had his dog attack, a black Palo Alto, a high school student. And also, he has shot a patient on a mental health facility while responding to a crisis. Please accept Mr. Alejo's claims um, because now he's injured. He can't work. He has permanent and severe nerve damage to his leg. Um, so please hold them accountable, give us some concrete change that we've been asking for. And that's all I'm asking.

[03:47:56] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Alex Churchill.

[03:48:00] Alex Churchill: Hi everyone, can you hear me?

[03:48:02] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes, we hear you.

[03:48:03] Alex Churchill: Wait, cool. Hey everyone, my name's Alex and I live here in Rex Manor. Um, so, uh, like, like many others here. I'm concerned about the recent mauling of Joel Alejo. And I had a couple of thoughts that I wanted to raise. So the 1st is that last year we heard these stories that were gathered by the Human Resources Commission. And at the time, I remember council members saying that those stories didn't tell the whole story, that they talked to people, that they had access to more stories than the public. And I believe that that's true. But I think we should also count this story among them. So to members of council, I would say this. I think one incident this bad can break the trust built up from 100s of good interactions, not just for the victim, but for anyone who watched that video. And I would ask that you be introspective and honest with yourselves about which voices you're listening to. The 2nd point that I'd make is that I'm really bothered by the fact that Palo Alto PD was operating inside of Mountain View. I was a participant in MVPDX, and I saw firsthand that our police department aspires to high standards. But quite frankly, as someone who's lived in the Bay Area for quite a while. Palo Alto PD has a bad reputation, and apparently the Palo Alto officer in question has been involved in several lawsuits and has a bad history. In other words, he's one of these bad apples that we keep hearing about. I would prefer that officers from other cities simply don't operate in Mountain View. But if they do, the MVPD is and should absolutely be responsible for making sure that the officers operating in Mountain View are vetted. Maybe Palo Alto can't fire their problem officer, but it doesn't mean that we have to lower our standards to theirs. Thank you and I yield.

[03:49:56] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Maya Atcharya. Maya, you there?

[03:50:19] Maya Achanya: Hi there, can you hear me?

[03:50:20] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes, I hear you.

[03:50:20] Maya Achanya: Sorry about that. Um, hi, my name is Maya, and I'm a member of Los Altos Students Alumni and Educators, and we're working closely with Campus Change Mountain View High School to advocate for a number of important changes in our school districts. Um, I'm a lifelong resident of the area and I graduated from Los Altos High School and Stanford University. And as an alumni, I choose to stay involved in this community not because this is necessarily how I want to be spending my evenings. But because I know that these changes would have made a huge difference for me and my classmates high school experiences years ago. And I feel I owe it to future generations to be a part of this change. Um, a few months ago, the Los Alto City Council made the admirable decision to vote to end the school resource officer program at Los Altos High School. Um, and research at both the national level as well as our own local student survey. Um, all show that the presence of police officers on, um, school campuses is detrimental to the education and mental health of students of color, um, especially black and Latinx students. Um, our research, both our compilation of national research and our local survey that includes Los Altos and Mountain View students and alumni, um, can be found by anyone interested on our petition. If you go to tiny URL.com slash MBALA petition, you can find it there. Um, and this includes student testimonies of people being harassed unfairly by SR Rose and other police officers in Mountain View. So I really urge the Mountain View City Council to listen to all of the residents who have spoken tonight and um, look into these issues both in your police department in general and take the really tangible and really easy next step of canceling the school resource officer program at um, in all Mountain View public schools. And this is well within your scope and a really tangible next step to show your community that you're listening to them. Thank you so much and I yield my time.

[03:52:20] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Shiroshi, Sharkar.

[03:52:29] Sreoshi Sarkar: Hi, I'm Strioshi Sarkar, and I'm at YLM. I'm calling to ask the Mountain View City Council to commit to voting on the removal of SROs on school campuses to address the racist history and impact of policing in schools in the greater community. Given the number of MVA students that have come forward to share their horrible experiences with SRIs on campus, which students should only need to do once for you to listen, um, studies on the negative impact device servers on school campuses throughout the state and nation. The school to prison pipeline, which disproportionately harms black and brown students. And the recent investigation by El Salto's task force, which concluded that Asteros have a negative impact on students. There's no justification to maintain the system at Mountain View High School. If your idea of a safe campus is more successful at traumatizing and attacking black and brown students, then it is at protecting victims of sexual violence, and you can't think of concrete ways to support students as maturing on adults, the necessary resources, rather than preemptively and needlessly criminalizing them, and you failed as an educational institution. It's time to implement restorative justice practices, provide holistic student health services, and invest in a community created safety and mental health plan to best support students and create a safer school campus. These changes will take a lot of time about collaboration among the community, which is why discussion and planning need to begin now. Thank you.

[03:53:51] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Seth Donnelly.

[03:53:58] Seth Donnelly: Can you hear me okay?

[03:53:59] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes, I hear you.

[03:54:00] Seth Donnelly: Thank you. Um, I'm a teacher within the Mountain View Los Altas High School district. I've been working within the district for 21 years. And I want to call and reiterate and support the demand for the Mountain View City Council to vote to remove SROs from Mountain View High School and other schools within high school jurisdiction. Um, I was really heartened by what Los Altos City Council did back in November. I can say as a teacher who's been interacting with students over many years that there's considerable evidence that SROs have inflicted harm on students of color. And yet, on the other hand, there's no justification to have armed police on our campuses. It's this May 25th, it will be one year since the murder of George Floyd, with a flurry of protests, and people from all sectors of society, saying Black Lives Matter. Well, this is a very concrete, simple thing that the city council can do. To remove police from our campuses, which is what you've heard tonight from many students, many community members are calling for. So I urge the city council to take action. to, uh, to support what Los Alto City Council did, and to, uh, to make us a community is more progressive in which human rights are honored for all. Thank you.

[03:55:29] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Radica, Kamran.

[03:55:37] Radhika Kamran: Hi, can you hear me?

[03:55:38] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes.

[03:55:40] Radhika Kamran: Uh, my name is Radica and I'm a student at Mountain View High School. I'm calling to ask the Mountain View City council to commit to voting on the removal of SROs. As many people have said it best, this addresses the racist history of policing and schools in the greater community. It is time for restorative justice practices implementing an ethnic studies curriculum, providing holistic student services, and investing in a community created district safety and rental house plan. These important changes will take time and thoughtful collaboration, which is why the discussion and planning needs to begin now. I think it's really important that we listen to the students on this one. Thank you and I yield my time.

[03:56:25] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Dana Petey.

[03:56:29] Dana Petey: Hi, counsel. Thanks so much. First of all, I want to say thank you so much for giving us the full 3 minutes. It's such a clear action that indicates to the public that you are, you know, listening and care about what the public has to say. So I just want to say thank you for an action beyond just a word that says, you know, you really care about this input tonight. Um, and I won't take more time than I think I need, but I'm just kind of speaking from the heart, so apologies if I'm a little bit, uh, distracted. I just, I want you to encourage tonight to really just listen from the heart to what your residents are asking for and listen, not to think about how are you going to respond? How are you going to convince the people who disagree with you? But how are you going to understand the people that disagree with you? We've been hearing so much in these conversations that what we need is mutual understanding and two-way communications and having dialogues and that's why so many of us have spent so many hours meeting with you to try to build these relationships. And I just want to echo, residents have been doing our part. Residents have been coming to every council meeting where this is on the agenda and sometimes when it isn't. Residents went to every meeting of the REI subcommittee, the HRE listening sessions. Folks participated hours and hours, I mean weekly sessions of MVPDX, personal research, hours of studying and organizing around this. And I just wonder what we have to show for it. There was public comment against the creation of PCAB because we were worried that it was a sideline to the work, and that it would become a place where good ideas go to die, but it happened anyway. So I think there's still a lot of community mistrust about what's actually going to happen tonight. And that just brings me to, sometimes the problem is named as the community mistrust, as if the problem is that the community doesn't trust the police. The problem is not the fact that the community doesn't trust the police. The problem is why the community doesn't trust the police or the SROs. We don't need to ask, how are we going to convince the community to trust them? We need to ask, what are we going to do about the reason for that distrust? And you're given such a really obvious, tangible decision that's going to come back to the city council anyway, even if it goes to peace up first. So why not take action now? Regarding the SRO specifically? I'd like you to consider the one sidedness of the public communication you've been hearing since June. You've heard so many stories and research, both qualitative and quantitative about the harms of the program. And what we hear on the other side is they're building trusting relationships with students and positive aspects too. If that's the case, where have they been since June? Why have I not heard from a single high school student at any of these meetings where SROs are discussed to say, hey, an SRO connected with me and stood up for me? Why do we have so many voices on the other side of this? It's not a 2 way street when we're all hearing the same thing. And I just really want you to take that to heart tonight. This is not just a national problem. It's a local one because Joel Alejo was assaulted after NBC had MBC, but had already been started speaking out at these meetings. This is a national and a local and a recent issue. Please take it seriously. Thank you so much. Have a good night. Yield my time.

[03:59:28] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Tony Moose?

[03:59:35] Tony Most: Thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight. My name is Tony Most, and I was a resident of Mountain View for many years. I am now a resident of Los Altos, and I served on the Los Altos Police task force that recommended the removal of resource officers from Los Altos High School, and I believe the same needs to happen at Mountain View High School in Altavista. I'm also a physician who takes care of at risk students. So I know what they look like. I know what they say. I know what they endure, and one of the things they endure, are interactions with school resource officers that trigger negative reactions, negative memories of things that happened off campus. I want to say that the city of Los Altos was not aware of the issues with school resource officers until we had a Los Altos police town hall, in which students, staff, teachers, called in, to share experiences that they had had with school resource officers. That, along with the national and local data, made us realize that it was not a place. Armed patrol men and women do not belong on school campuses. If one student feels unsafe because of the presence of an SRO that is one too many students and that SRO needs to go. I really want the Mountain View City Council to follow the Los Alto City Council members and vote to remove SROs from our high school campuses. It is time to stop talking about the betterment of our children's mental health and actually do something to address it. We need to focus on funding therapists and counselors, preferably of color, who can relate to at risk students, to work towards stopping issues before they begin. No matter how hard an SRO may try, they will never truly be able to relate to students' needs or help them in a mental health crisis, as they are not adequately trained. I work with psychiatrist. They go through years, 8 to 12 years of training, in order to do the work they do. 40 hours of training, that the SROs receive is not sufficient to play this role. So I urge you, as a city council, do the right thing for all of your students. If just one student is impacted negatively on campus, that needs to be addressed. Thank you and I yield my time.

[04:02:11] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Tim Mackenzie.

[04:02:16] Tim Mackenzie: Hey, counsel. First, I want to thank you for the clear process that went through for the HRC appointments. That was much better than last week, and I know I always speak up when I don't appreciate things, but I also think it's important to say when things are done well. So the process was well done compared with last week. Um, and I just, I mean, SROs, we should not have cops on campus. This is playing into the school to prison pipeline. If we think about the best possible scenario for SROs, they're identifying at risk youth that they think may end up engaged with the criminal justice system moving forward. So best possible scenario. These kids never interact with a uniformed police officer again. So why are why are we having cops do this? We've just heard a lot of people saying that they're ineffective, that it's causing, like, real trauma to kids that cops don't have enough training for this. We should remove cops from campus. With regards to whether this is a local issue or if Mountain View is any different. We just saw last week, the release of a Palo Alto police officer who was invited by Mountain View police to come and sick a dog on a Mountain View resident. Uh, but that's not it. It's not just from Palo Alto police. Mountain View police. It was just about a year ago, council. Someone came before you and was looking for $100,000 because a Mountain View police officer pulled him out of his car and slammed his head on the ground. This was a mountain view police officer who was involved in an officer involved shooting in Sunnyvale just a few years before. And Mountain View didn't see any issue with that. When I was in MVPDX and brought this up. They said, oh, well, he was cleared, and that was good enough for them. Um, so it's not just something that's happening somewhere else. Uh, so it is happening here. It's also structural issues that, uh, the problem of implicit bias is that it makes it seem like it's any individual's fault and that they are morally bad for structures that we are all enmeshed in. And the real thing that we need to look at is what are these structures that are giving rise to these outcomes? And look at how we can change those structures and reestablish new things. A few weeks ago, there was discussion about fencing at public schools, and there was discussion about, oh, well, I'm not sure, uh, one of the, one of the comments that was made was possibly going through a line by line item accounting of all the things that the city provides to the school district and vice versa. SROs is a very clear example of that thing. It ties in very closely with the fencing issue with schools. Um, the, it, it links together with all the work you're doing. I ask, listen to what everyone else has said, remove SRLs from campus, thank you, I yield my time.

[04:05:19] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Jasmine, DR, take.

[04:05:29] Jasmine: Hi, can you hear me?

[04:05:30] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes.

[04:05:31] Jasmine: Okay, cool. My name is Jasmine. I'm a member of Lesse and also a Los Altos alumni. I'm here to echo the demands made tonight in the removal of SROs on Mountain View campus. There are so many students have come here tonight pleading the council to commit to getting rid of this program that's already been proven to be inherently racist by targeting black and brown youth. Uh, so many of us have been speaking out on this for months already, um, including educators, alumni and other community members. And it's really disappointing to see the council ignore students and educators' experiences. And those who have already shared their traumas. Uh, Los Altos high school have already voted to remove S rows off their campus. So many other school districts across the country have done the same. The resources that have been used to keep the SRO program can be redirected towards more holistic approaches, like student counseling and restorative justice, restorative justice, which, uh, has already collected so much research that shows how effective these methods are as opposed to a police presence on campus. Again, I asked the council to listen to everyone tonight and to vote SROs off mountain view campus. Thank you.

[04:06:38] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Alexander Brown.

[04:06:46] Alexander Brown: All right. As adorable as I am, I'm far from my high school days. I just ask that you be open to the calls of students and teachers about their situations. I think we should focus on the goals first, try to find solutions, not start with the status quo and find ways to justify it, but especially in this case, listen to those who are most impacted by the SRRO program and also the canine program, people closest to the issue have the most important perspectives and deserve to be centered in this discussion. Thank you.

[04:07:12] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Renee Rashid?

[04:07:19] Renee Rashid: Hi. I'm calling to support the calls to remove SROs from campuses. Uh, I'm a Los Altos resident and was part of the police task force in Los Altos that voted to remove, uh, SROs from the Los Altos High School campus, and that was after we looked at all the data and found the harm that SROs can cause students. Um, it, it's, Not necessary to look at every school district on a case-by-case basis when it has been shown nationally that SROs are damaging to youth of color. There are better solutions that work better for students. of all backgrounds, and those are the things that should be looked at, um, and considered. So I hope that you look at those with an open mind and create real change for the people that need it most. Thank you.

[04:08:17] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. All right, that concludes oral communications from the public. So I'd like to bring it back to council. We don't have a public hearing tonight, so we'll move on to item 7, which is new business. It's the Google, North Bay Shore precise plan, non-residential, bonus floor area ratio, requalification, and preliminary master plan, amendments to the North Bay Shore, non-residential, bonus floor area ratio allocation guidelines. All right. And I'm going to try to do that. All right. Can you all hear me with my speaker? Is it okay? Is it bad?

[04:08:58] Unknown Speaker: It's okay.

[04:08:59] Mayor Ellen Kamei: All right. I'm gonna I'm gonna try this. I've had almost 4.5 hours with AirPods in, so I'm going to try this. Do any council members wish to make disclosures such as contacts with the applicant or site visits? So, um, Mr. Chopra, can we do that as by raising of the hands or do you need us to verbally acknowledge? Can you please clarify?

[04:09:22] City Attorney Krishan Chopra: Uh, just, uh, raising of the hands is fine for applicant uh, contact and also site visits.

[04:09:30] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay, great. So, um, if you had any, uh, contact with the Apple Kant, our site visits. We can just do raise hand. Looks like it is unanimous. We've all had, um, contacts with the applicant or site business. So I think something that'll be important is to frame the context of this discussion. This item is being organized into 2 parts. The 1st part is the council discussion, and a decision on the North Bay Shore precise plan, non-residential bonus, FAR requalification request, the 130000000 square feet from Google. The council will take a vote on this item for final action before moving to the next part of the meeting and remaining council questions. Um, the 2nd part is for council to review and provide input on key questions regarding 2 subjects. First, the potential amendments to the North Bay Shore non-residential bonus FAR allocation guidelines, and second, Google's preliminary North Bay Shore Master Plan. There are 5 questions as part of this item that council is asked to discuss and provide direction to staff for further analysis and development. Individual council members will be asked to answer each of the 5 questions before moving on to the next council member. So, it'll be question one, from every council member, and then the remaining 5 questions, and if council members could answer all 5 of those questions after that point. So I believe we're going to start 1st with a staff presentation from senior planner, Diana Pacholi. Advanced planning manager, Martin Alcair, assistant community development director. Uh, sorry, assistant, City manager and our community development director, Archie Shavastava. All right. Go ahead, Miss Picelli, take it away.

[04:11:34] Diana Pancholi: Good evening, mayor and members of the council. Um, my name is Diana Pancholi, senior planner with the planning department. And, um, Mayor explained, this item will be discussed in 2 parts. The 1st part is a council decision on requalification request for 1300000 square foot of non-residential bonus FAR by Google M. The 2nd part is where staff is requesting council input on 2 things again, 1st amendments do not pay show precise plan, bonus FAR, allocation guidelines, and key aspects of the Google preliminary master plan. Diving right into the 1st part, the North Bay show precise plan was adopted in 2014. In 2015, city implemented a process to allocate 220000 square foot of non-residential bonus FAR. For the purposes of this application, it includes 145000000 square foot on the gateway side, to LinkedIn side west, and around 102000 square foot to raise for a total of 1550000 square foot. Google later purchased the LinkedIn and Reese properties, and into 2017, city updated the precise plan to include residential uses. In February 2019, Council considered 2 individual requalification request from Google and Si West. Council denied the individual requests and asked staff to work with both the property owners on a master plan for the gateway site, and discussed setting up a future study session to review Google's master plan. Sivas declined the mediation offer for the gateway master plan process, and as directed by counsel, staff move forward with the city led master plan. In November 2019, council reviewed the draft heat, we master plan, and endorsed a maximum of 500,000 square foot of non-residential bonus FAR to be divided between the 2 property owners, Google and Saivast. As the next step, Google has submitted their preliminary master pan for council consideration. Google 3 qualification request includes 250,000 square foot of non-residential bonus FAR from their portion of the gateway site. Around 102000 square foot to the res parcel, and the balance of the bonus FAR from non-allocated to the gateway site for a total of 130000000 square feet. The requalification request is accompanied with a preliminary master plan, which spans across 122 acres in North Bay Shore, across 2 complete neighborhoods of Joaquin, which includes a gateway site, and the Shorewood neighborhood. At a high level, the plan proposes 7000 residential units, along with a mix of other land users, including office, retail, community spaces, open space, dedication for school site, and district parking and district utility systems. Google's bonus FAI proposal is generally consistent with the general plan and the precise plan vision and guiding principles, including the creation of complete neighborhoods, housing affordability targets, the integration of office land users with residential, and retail, with a supporting pedestrian and open space network, and district scale infrastructure to achieve sustainability goals. The portion of the master plan on the gateway site is also consistent with the land use locations and development endorsed by council on the draft gateway master plan. Google's community benefit package includes 5% inclusionary affordable housing units, around 35000000 uh in contribution towards Charleston transit corridor construction. A small business, a small business diversification program and a public art program. At this stage, the proposed benefits are not quantified. Consistent with the past practices, staff recommends that the bonus FR recalification requests be conditioned on adjusting the original package valuation for inflation from 2015 to 2021 estimated added 420000000 value. In conclusion, Google's request for non-residential bonus, uh, uh, FAR system substantially implements important elements of creating a viprant community and complete neighborhoods in North Bay Shore. And it also meets the key bonus FAR guidelines. Therefore, staff recommends that council authorize the requalification requests for 130000000 square foot of non-residential bonus FAR, condition upon a minimum 42000000 community benefit contribution, and a formal master plan submittal within 12 months of requalification. So the 1st question per council tonight is does council approve requalification of the 1300000 square foot of non-residential bonus FAR. Diving into the 2nd part to require, um, regarding the non-residential bonus FAR guideline amendments. The 1st uh, the bonus FUR guidelines were initially adopted in 2014 and then later amended in 2017. To date, sidewest has not indicated interest in developing their gateway properties with office uses. This provides an opportunity to consider the remaining 250,000 square foot of non-residential bonus FAR. With continued property owner interest in development, staff is suggesting following amendments to clarify the process. Staff is recommending the following um, to establish a clear process for interested property owners, including Si West and other interested parties. The 1st is to establish a clear process for interested parties with performance timelines. The 2nd is to focus the allocation in complete neighborhood areas. Based on the council feedback, staff estimates, bringing these amendments back info with the draft gate to a master plan. So the 2nd question for council tonight is, does council have any feedback on the suggested amendments to the non-residential bonus FAR allocation guidelines? Moving on to the part second, the, As I mentioned earlier, the, the preliminary master plan spans across 2 complete neighborhoods in all 4 character areas of the precise plan. The proposed use land use layout is consistent with the character areas, land users with the office use north of the major mobility spine on shoreward way, and the residential uses to the south of it, um, which is also south of the Green Loops on, along the Wauquin neighborhood. And it is consistent with the complete neighborhood strategy. At a very high level, the proposed land use distribution with mix of uses, such as open space distribution and network of connection is in compliance with the precise plan vision and guiding principles. In compliance with the precise plan, Google proposes around 34.6 acres of open space, which includes public and privately owned publicly accessible open spaces, along with the robust network of pedestrian paths and bike trails to create internal and regional connectivity. The proposal also includes a 4 acre school site dedication to the elementary or middle school district, and includes a one acre joint use park. Google is requesting 100% credit for the privately owned publicly accessible COPA and the 4 acre school site. This request for POPA credit is not in compliance with the recent city council direction, on the parkland ordinance to allow up to 75% credit for such spaces. In addition, the city's current parkland ordinance does not allow a 3rd party dedication to count towards cities parkland requirements. As an option, the land could be dedicated to the city to make the decision about a potential partnership with the school district. If council would like staff to explore this issue, staff will research city requirements, and state laws, and follow up with additional options. So the next question for cancer tonight is. Does council have any comments on the proposed land uses? Layout, an open space strategy for the preliminary master plan. Google's proposal also includes around 7000 residential units, which accounts for around 70% of the North Bay Show residential targets. Google is proposing a total of 20% or 1400 units through a combination of 15% land dedication and 5% inclusionary units. They are requesting a tier one residential bonus FAR project that requires 15% affordable units. Therefore their proposal exceeds the precise plan requirements. In addition, they will also pay a housing impact fee of around 38000000 for the office uses. An economic feasibility study conducted in 2019 indicated significant challenges in developing inclusionary housing in North Bay Shore. Therefore, the land education proposal would be a more feasible option and may result in a higher yield of units. Additionally, this option provides the greatest flexibility to the city to preserve affordability in the long term and target specific affordable housing options. So the next question for council tonight is if council support the preliminary master plans, BMR strategy, as a part of master plans, affordable housing obligation. In compliance with the precise plan, the proposal also includes the shared parking facilities for office and residential uses and a district parking approach to help manage parking demand. This includes 4 district parking garages for offered use and 2 residential parking garages. Google is also proposing a reduced parking ratio, which is in compliance with the north ratio precise pan. One of the office district parking garage is proposed on shoreline amphitheater lot C with a long-term lease of 40 years. The lot is currently being leased by Google, who shares the parking with the city and live nation during the non-business hours. A parking structure on lot C would not limit future city opportunities, or decisions for the amphitheater property, and would allow more land within project area to be used for other uses. Staff therefore supports consideration for the use of shoreline amphitheater lot C for district parking garage. And Therefore, the question number 5 for councils tonight, does the council support the inclusion of shoreline amphitheater parking in the district parking proposal for the master plan? As discussed previously, Google's community benefit proposal includes inclusionary housing, uh, contribution to Charleston corridor, transit corridor construction, a small business diversification program, public art program, district utility system and district parking system. As noted earlier, Google's proposed benefits have not been quantified yet. The only value provided is 35000000 contribution for the Charleston corridor, which is, this is a major priority transportation improvement, and has been funded for design and will be ready within 6 months to advertise for construction, but does not currently have funding identified. Therefore, staff recommends, including this in the community benefit package. Other elements, encouraged in the precise plan, are listed on this slide and also in the staff report. While Google's proposal of community benefit aligns with the identified community benefits in the precise plan, staff is seeking input from council on the proposed community benefits. So the question number 6 for council tonight is does council have any input on the proposed community benefits? As next steps, uh, for part one, if authorized 1300000 square foot of bonus FAR, the applicant intends to submit a formal master plan, which will be brought back to the EPC and city council for for the consideration at its future study sessions, and ultimately at an adoption hearing. In addition, staff will bring back amendments with the gateway master plan in fall 2021 and accordingly, solicit proposals for the unallocated bonus FR and bring them for council considerations as well. In summary, here's the recommendation for the requalification authorization for 1300000 square foot bonus FAR. And here are the summary of questions for council feedback, um, tonight. This concludes staff presentation, the applicant Google Inc. is present in the meeting tonight and has a presentation for the council as well. Thank you.

[04:24:19] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you so much. Um, so I believe that our applicant has a presentation. Since moving into, um, this year, we've tried to keep applicant presentations to about 7 minutes, um, but I did hear back that I think this is going to be a little bit longer than than 7 minutes, um, given the topic we're discussing. So, um, we will do our best to, I think, stay within, hopefully 10 minutes. Um, and I believe the Google presenter is Michael Timeoff, the director of district development, and, um, I'll leave it to Mr. Timeoff to introduce, uh, the rest of his team that might be, uh, amongst attendees. Hi, Mr. Timeoff, I see you.

[04:25:05] Michael Tymoff: Good evening, um, everyone. Good evening there, vice mayor and council members. Michael Timeoff, Google's district development director for Mountain View. And I do have good news. We are going to stay with the 7 minute limit. So with that, I will go ahead and share my screen. And let's see. All right. Can you all see my screen?

[04:25:32] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes, we see it.

[04:25:34] Michael Tymoff: Great.

[04:25:35] Mayor Ellen Kamei: And Mr. Time Off, if you wanted to introduce any other members of your team, feel free to do so.

[04:25:40] Michael Tymoff: Okay, I will, and we've got them listed out on the final slide, so I will do that towards the end. Again, good evening, everyone. Michael, time off Google's District Development Director for Mountain View. First, I wanted to thank staff, Diana Martin and RT. Um, both for the staff report and the great job that Diana just did, providing an overview with our of our preliminary master plan for North Bayshore, in our bonus office, FAR allocation request. This has really been a collaborative effort getting to this point. We greatly appreciate all of the input from staff, from you, the council, in the community, um, that's been provided to us over the years. We've taken it to heart, and our proposal is better as a result. Tonight, we are here to ask for your approval to allocate 1300000 square feet of bonus office FAR, and to receive your input on our preliminary master plan. This allocation will enable 7000 homes to be built on our land. And we are thrilled to have linlace alongside us as our development advisor, and ultimately as our residential development partner. This allocation will enable us to deliver a comprehensive set of community benefits that goes above and beyond the precise plan targets and requirements. This allocation of 13000000 square feet will allow us to make significant upfront investments that are needed to help transform North Bay Shore from a place built around cars to a place built around people. Investments that will support a complete community across 2 neighborhoods as contemplated by the precise plan. The city's precise plan is a visionary blueprint for this transformation. It provides a comprehensive set of policy goals and objectives for urban design, ecology, mobility, and innovations as sustainable infrastructure and green building. As staff notes in a report or bonus FAR proposal substantially advances, many of the precise plans, vision, and guiding principles, and we are prepared to move forward with your approval tonight. And we haven't arrived here overnight. Our proposal has been many years in the making, and there are many voices that have shaped our conversations. We are grateful, grateful for all of them. Over the past 3 years, we've listened closely to you, the city and the community, and you've helped us better understand what is most important to you, and why. Based on your feedback, we have made many positive changes to our plan that will result in better outcomes and more benefits for more people. We've increased the number of homes from 5700 to 7000 homes, providing much needed housing at a time when the need has never been greater. Adding this many homes close to a major employment area is one of the most sustainable things we can do, reducing traffic, greenhouse gas emissions, and improving air quality. Giving people the option for a car free commute also promotes healthier and more active lifestyles. 20% of these homes will be affordable, doubling the amount of affordable housing in Mountain View today. Through a precise plan, compliant land dedication strategy for the 1st 15% and an additional 5% in the form of inclusionary housing, which is a significant component of our community benefit package. Building on a successful partnership with the city on Charleston retention basin, we will help transition portions of North Bayshore back to nature. 34 acres of land, land that is currently occupied by office buildings and surface parking will be turned over for parks, ecological open space, and natural habitat areas to support biodiversity. From butterflies to birds and other wildlife, native to this landscape. We will continue to invest and lead the way in mobility solutions, to prioritize people over cars. As part of our community benefit package, we are proposing to construct Charleston corridor phases 2 and 3, a major transit boulevard in a key transportation priority improvement project identified in the precise plan. We will build 4 new miles of green loop on our land, for a total miles, total of 9 miles of bike and pedestrian pathways, and trails throughout the project area. Sustainability is in our DNA, and we strive to lead by example. We've committed to using 100% carbon free energy in the operations of all of our data centers and campuses by 2030. We are already designing all electric office buildings here in the Bay Area. As we look to the future, we're exploring innovative district systems that would help reduce energy and water consumption in both residential and commercial buildings and create a more resilient community. We will create spaces for people to connect through active ground floor uses, such as retail, arts, and maker space, and we will look to partner with community organizations to provide learning opportunities for all ages. Within the Shorebird neighborhood, we are proposing to dedicate a 4 acre parcel for a new public elementary school. We will also continue to work with the city and community to curate a variety of cultural and neighborhood serving uses, such as a branch library. For those living and working in North Bayshore, as well as visitors alike. A complete community means having your daily needs and services available within a 10 to 15 minute walk from where you live at work. Our commitments to inclusive housing, placemaking, education, small business diversification, and welcoming community spaces will help to meet these evolving needs. With a focus on creating pedestrian friendly, fine grained, walkable streets. Knitted together by a network of parks and open spaces. We will create opportunities for people to connect with their neighbors into sport locally owned small businesses. All of this is enabled by the city allocating the 1300000 square feet of bonus office FAR tonight. This allocation by the city will provide wide reaching and long-lasting impacts to North Bay Shore in the city as a whole. It will allow us to deliver above and beyond community benefits so that the full potential of the precise plan can finally begin to be realized. Mountain View has been our home for more than 20 years. We got started here, and we want to continue to grow here. This has been a challenging year, and we are proud of the work that we have done together to rise to that challenge. We want to continue to be part of the economic recovery by investing in our local communities, creating new jobs, and supporting small businesses. That is why we plan to invest over $7 billion in offices in data centers across the U.S. this year. And that is why we want to move forward tonight with our plans in partnership with the city. We know that we can accomplish more together than we can do on our own. With your support to allocate the full 1300000 square feet of bonus office FAR. We can build on our successful partnership with the city and begin to write the next chapter together here in North Bay Shore. Thank you for your time this evening. I am joined by a number of my team members. We are all here to answer any questions you may have. Thank you.

[04:33:16] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. We can bring it back to council for questions. Do council members have questions? Council member show Walter.

[04:33:29] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yes, well, I'm delighted that we are working on this item. It's been a long time coming. And my question, I really think it's for our staff, and that is related to the 4 acre parcel, um, that, uh, will be dedicated for an elementary school site. It says in the, um, you know, it says, it says in the, uh, the staff report that there isn't a way for Google to get the park credit. Um, if they allocate it to a 3rd party versus the city. And it seems like it's in our best interest to have it dedicated to the city in any case so that, um, we could, um, uh, we could, you know, control that it is used for a school. And um, uh, and, uh, make sure that that happens over time. So I wanted to ask you, um, how you felt that that process would work. And, um, what would be sort of the steps for going there?

[04:34:32] Assistant City Manager Aarti Shrivastava: Council member, show Walter, I'll respond to that question. What we're hoping for tonight from the council is an indication that they're interested in this option. After which we can follow up on, um, on next steps. Um, as far as um, partnering with the with the school, what it means for Parkland, um, and we can bring that back to you.

[04:34:58] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Okay. Thank you.

[04:35:01] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Council member Mattachek.

[04:35:06] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thanks. Um, so, um, earlier, I wanted to add to my disclosures that I also met with other property owners in North Bay Shore. Um beyond the applicant. Um, but I do have, um, a couple of questions. one for the applicant. Are you open to the city exploring the option of the city owning 4 acres rather than the school district?

[04:35:34] Michael Tymoff: Uh, yes, we are open to that. Uh, we had put forward the the proposal to dedicate to the school district um, after conversations with you all and with staff, but, um, we are open to a partnership between the city and the school district and um, look forward to having those conversations.

[04:35:55] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Okay, great. Thanks. And, um, Yeah, I was wondering if, um, staff has taken a look at, um, Attachment 5 in great detail. I read that one and there's so much information in that attachment. Um, that I was wondering if, um, like the next time we talk about this, you would be able to sort of sort through all of that. And give us a better picture of the economics of all of this. There's a lot of things in there that are requests of the city, and there's things in there that are, you know, requested credits, and there's the community benefits, and there's just so much. Would you be able for, you know, the next meeting, because I know you probably haven't done it for tonight, like a complete picture of all of the, um, financial aspects of this master plan.

[04:37:01] Assistant City Manager Aarti Shrivastava: Um, Council member Mattachek, um, if if Google is a, uh, moves forward with the formal master plan, we will certainly be requesting a lot more information on the specifics. And plan to hire an economic consultant to sort through a lot of what you discussed, at which point we should be able to bring that information back.

[04:37:24] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Great. Thank you. Um, see here. I think that's it for now. Thank you.

[04:37:35] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you, council member Abbe Koga.

[04:37:41] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Thank you. Um, So, you had a few questions. Um, some were our follow-ups to some of the written questions that I submitted. Um, but, uh, I realized, as was, um, you know, meeting this and meeting with folks, um, I don't, I guess that my question is, um, back in 2015 when there was, uh, the so-called beauty contest, um, which allowed, you know, anyone to propose a project. Um, I don't feel, I think we had a similar, process this time around. And, um, I, I guess my question is, how did, how would other, um, developers or property owners, But how would they have known to submit something at this point in time? Um,

[04:38:38] Assistant City Manager Aarti Shrivastava: Council member Abby Koga, um, based on, based on what the council's direction in February 2019. Um, staff did 2 things. I think, um, one was to move forward on a city led gateway master plan. And the 2nd was to schedule the study session with Google. Because it was, um, while the while the council denied the individual applications, they directed staff to continue working with the 2 property owners. Um, so in 2015, all the bonus FAR was allocated. So it wouldn't have been available for anyone anyway. This was part of a redo of the gateway site. And so we continued working within the council direction of working with the 2 property owners. After tonight, we will have a lot more clarity, and we've, as we've mentioned to other interested property owners. Um, we will be going back out similar to the previous process. And our intention then will be based on council feedback on the revisions. To the um, allocation guidelines. We will go back and contact all the property owners in the complete neighborhoods area.

[04:39:53] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: The challenge with that is that, um, the square footage remaining is, you know, minimal at this point in time, and, um, I, you know, I, I know hindsight is 2020 vision, but, um, a lot of those projects that were approved in the 2015 process, and I think, I was at like a gig, a bonus allocation process. Um ceased to exist. And so, um, I guess that's been my, you know, real, I've been trying to think this through is, um, and I take look at it from an equity perspective, frankly. I just, you know, um, I mean, just having trouble, um, I don't feel like we had an equitable process for everyone. Like in hindsight, again, what probably should have happened was those projects that were no longer in existence, that bonus FAR probably should have come back to the city. Um, So yeah, so I know it's hard to ameliate what we've done in the past, but I guess I'm looking for some. Some, some resolve. to to that. That let's happen there.

[04:41:08] Assistant City Manager Aarti Shrivastava: Yeah, and that's part of why we're, we'll be proposing some, some timelines for performance so that once, once allocated, if people don't perform within a certain amount of time. It's very clear about what happens. I think it, you know, the, uh, we were working on the, with the 2 property owners on the LinkedIn gateway proposal, which is why it wasn't opened up, but with the, with the resulting FAR that's left unallocated, we propose to be very clear, so that there's no confusion. Um, you're right. I think some the process needs to be clarified.

[04:41:49] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Thank you. Um, a couple other questions. I received some, um, messages uh, regarding the eco gym and the shore blurred wilds. These are part of the habitat, uh, habitat, uh, restoration projects, I believe. Um, The, the, the comments were that they weren't mentioned in the report. Um, and we just want to ensure that they are included as part of, Let the, whether it's open space or community benefit, but we do want to, And I personally would like to sort of solidify those projects. So could we get confirmation of that?

[04:42:30] Assistant City Manager Aarti Shrivastava: Oh, let Diana answer?

[04:42:32] Senior Planner Diana Pancholi: Yeah, that is included. I think looking at the overview of how we were trying to address different questions in the meeting, staff had included it as part of the open space, but yeah, they are included, and we will be looking into, for the details of that, if we will move forward with a formal master plan.

[04:42:52] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Um, and then I, you kind of alluded to this, um, Mr. Vastava, but my, big concern, my biggest concern with this is, um, And I think it would be with, in regards to the development agreement, but, um, that, that's the challenge here, right, is that we, we need to get some guarantee that this is gonna move forward and happen in, I just don't want to end up in 20 years, not seeing anything developed or partial, partial, you know, pieces of it. Um, so, and with the middle field project, we talked about a DA there, and there was a, um, like a benefits package that was offered or staff required in return for the DA, and I don't think I saw one for here. Um, is the plan. Well, can we, um, talk about that and talk about what benefits we expect in return for the DA if we were to move forward with the DA. And then too, with the DA, we talked about a performance based. Timeline. Um, and I, uh, yeah, I'm, and it doesn't have to be tonight, but, um, can we have that conversation of what clear milestones that we expect? Um, you know, I would like to see, like something even sooner than 15 years, that's a long ways to wait for something to happen. So having some clear milestones, you know, every 5 or 7 year check in. Um, It's a plan to do that later or would you like thoughts on that tonight?

[04:44:35] Assistant City Manager Aarti Shrivastava: I think any thoughts the council can give us will just make, uh, give us more clarity, but we don't have any details about the DA other than, um, they're requesting a 20 year DA. So very similar to the Middlefield Park. Um, project. We expect to have a lot more information when we come back. Um, to a council study session, after we have a formal proposal, um, a master plan proposal. And you're right, we do plan to build in performance timelines. Um, uh, very much in the in the vein that you discuss council member.

[04:45:12] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Okay. Thank you.

[04:45:16] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Vice Mayor Ramirez.

[04:45:20] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you, mayor. And I appreciate your questions, council member Robbie Cook. I was about to ask the same thing. We're similar about the DA. So thank you for covering that. Um, the only other question I have is, uh, is the, the district utilities concept, similar to what's being proposed in the downtown West project? I guess it's probably a question for the applicant.

[04:45:50] Michael Tymoff: I'm sorry, I thought I was, um, trying to find the mute button. Yeah, some, similar in, um, in that the idea is to provide centralized utility services to the commercial and residential buildings, obviously, different development program. Um, There will be different regulatory regimes, but the idea is that central utility plant would be provided to provide thermal heat and cooling for the individual buildings. Um, could partner that with PB on top of the rooftops, right, to provide um, district energy distributed renewable energy on site, um, so that the individual buildings don't necessarily need to have their mechanical plants inside the buildings to gain some efficiencies. So it's similar in concept, but the component parts and um, the actual services delivered will um, be tailored to the individual developments, if that makes sense.

[04:46:46] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Yes, it does. Thank you. So I, uh, I, I profess no technical expertise in this whatsoever. Um, but, because of my day job, I was able to learn a little bit more about that relatively recently, and, um, have a better sense of, uh, how significant a component, uh, of the broader project that is, and it's, I think, a relatively new idea for mountain, well, it is a new idea for mountain view as well. And I guess the question I have is, uh, at, at what point, you know, it, it, it feels like a lot for, for our staff to take on. Um, you know, city of San Jose has staff who do this kind of thing, um, you know, they operate their own CCE, for instance, um, is this, uh, maybe maybe it's too early to ask. So at what point do we need to bring on some technical expertise to make that work here and better understand the regulatory frameworks associated with operating a district utilities system?

[04:47:52] Assistant City Manager Aarti Shrivastava: Um, I asked Don Cameron, public works director, um, to respond to this question.

[04:48:03] Public Works Director Don Cameron: Thank you. Yeah, it's a very good question. I appreciate you asking at what point because yes, we are going to need some technical expertise consultation and maybe even legal consultation in terms of how this is set up and managed. Uh, it's, You'll recall also Google proposed something similar for the Middlefield Park. Um, master plan development. And for that one already, we are bringing on a consultant who is helping us to analyze what it means to have a utility district like this and we'll be able to learn from that one and also apply it to what it would mean to do one in the North Bay Shore area. It is certain something we're interested in, and we think has a lot of, um, Promise, and turns as, as Michael Timeoff was saying, in terms of energy efficiency, reducing carbon emissions. So, um, we are interested in looking at this.

[04:49:02] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Would it, would it make sense to reach out to city of San Jose staff, um, you know, since they've already been looking at this for a few years now, to maybe gain some, some knowledge about how it's working there, or is that concept too dissimilar to this, and there really isn't an opportunity to, to benefit from the work that's being done there.

[04:49:30] Public Works Director Don Cameron: I think it's always a good idea to reach out and learn from other jurisdictions whether it applies directly or not. So I've made a note of it. And we're going to discuss it in-house of who could best reach out to them and start learning as much as we can.

[04:49:46] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you. that's helpful. And then, I guess the final question on this. Any, again, a lot of the stems from not having any personal technical expertise in this, um, is this, uh, would it be appropriate to have a separate conversation about this, because it feel, it's, from the briefing I got, which was after the Middlefield Park discussion. There are different, different ways of operating it. Um, and, you know, one possible management system would be for the city to take on that responsibility, which feels like a major undertaking and probably is the least desirable option for us. But if that becomes for whatever reason, something we need to explore. I feel like we, I'll speak for myself. I would appreciate a better understanding of how it would work and what the implications are for the city. Um, do you imagine having a separate conversation about this or will this be wrapped up in the broader, in the context of the, of the broader development proposal?

[04:50:53] Public Works Director Don Cameron: We were thinking it would be part of the context of the broader development proposal, which is one of the reasons, as I said, for uh, Middlefield Park, since that one's already proceeding through formal application stage. Uh, we're already bringing on a consultant start exploring what it means, what our options are. And of course, we're going to be having further discussions with Google, about what their thoughts, about who, you know, what's the organizational structure, who's managing it. Uh, I think we weren't thinking it would be city managed, but we were thinking that there would have to be some kind of corporation or entity that is legally responsible for it, so that should, at any time, Google start, you know, moves on or sells partials or portions of it, no matter what, it's still continues to function well as a utility district.

[04:51:46] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: That's very helpful. Thank you.

[04:51:49] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you, Council member Hicks.

[04:51:54] Councilmember Alison Hicks: I have a question that it's actually somewhat similar to one of council member Abacoga's questions. Maybe we've been talking to the same people about this, but, um, I've had, and I guess this is the way I'm going to phrase it slightly differently than she did, I think this is a question for maybe the African band staff. Um, and this is that I've heard concerns from uh, the public about how the ecological habitat restoration will happen. Um, and in particular, you know, people are concerned, it's been sort of the the, one of the main elements of this project and the precise plan. And there's some concern that, um, as it rolls forward, maybe it will get lost and more standard perks will be developed, you know, with, um, I don't know, large grassy ball fields and lots of, uh, concrete and so forth. So, I'm just wanting some, um, I'm, I'm wondering how we'll make sure that that happens, that it, that it, um, rolls out in the way it's pictured, that it's actual ecological habitat restoration and not a more, not more standard sort of, uh, recreation centers.

[04:53:16] Diana Pancholi: Um, council member Hicks, uh, the precise plan actually has some direction on the, on the type of open space in some of these edge areas where the, the habitat restoration is, is proposed. Um, so that provides the 1st layer of information, the 2nd level will be the master plan itself, when the formal master plan comes in, we will have a specific program that the council will approve. And thereafter, um, the projects and the phasing will, um, that will become part of the master plan and the DA. And all that will be implemented through the permitting that happens. And that's how, um, that's how any project is, um, moves forward, right? Uh, we start with uh, higher level and then council direction and adoption of the master plan. Um, any changes to it will have to be reviewed as part of modification. So, um, there is no reason to believe that anything other than what's approved will be built because, uh, staff always follows up on that. As far as any city parks or public parks that are dedicated. Um, the council has complete control over how they want to plan that. Um, and uh, there, there is a separate process that will be set up for that.

[04:54:44] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Yeah, I think that's what some of the concern was, that it being nailed down a little more in that, in the park process that, um, So I think, I think that's what uh, members of the public had wanted worked out a little more. So we get what, you know, as it appears in the pictures. Um, I think that's it. Thank you.

[04:55:09] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Thank you. Any other questions from council members? All right, well, I want to follow what Council member Mattachek mentioned, which is, you know, I met with our applicant tonight and then met with several other landowners in the North Bay Shore. I see the vice mayor raising his hand as well. So I believe most of us probably did. Yes, it looks like unanimously. So also, we also want to disclose that council met with various property owners within the North Bay Shore as part of this discussion tonight as well. Okay. So at this point, I'd like to bring it, um, turn it over to public comment. Then we'll start with question one from every council member, and then we'll go through the 5 questions after that, just to recap. All right. Would any member of the public on the line, like to provide comment on this item? If so, please click the raise hand button in Zoom, or press star 9 on your phone, and interim city clerk Vonder Linden will display the timer on the screen, which will be, let's stick with the 2 minutes. All right. First is Kita Dev.

[04:56:22] Gita Dev: Good evening, Mayor Kame and council members. I'm Gita Dev, and I'm speaking on behalf of the Sierra Club, but I believe I'm speaking on behalf of several of the environmental groups that have been involved with North Bay Shore and have worked with Google. Uh, over many years, uh, on many projects. In general, we have been very supportive of Google's master plan in the showbird area. However, um, we really want to make it clear that our commitment was very much based on an understanding that the eco gem and the showbird wilds, the 2 largest open spaces, are in fact part of community benefit. and are included as community benefit, and will be executed by Google in a timely way. So that, uh, in fact does happen. We know that the best of plans can change over time. And therefore, we would like to see, uh, the city, make sure, that these are the 2 largest open spaces in addition to the green loop. And this needs to be as part of phase one, if possible. Um, Things happen. I mean, the Permanente Creek was something that was very much looked forward to. It has not happened. Um, the permanente creek naturalizing. In fact, we did get a parking garage, but we didn't get the creek. And so I would like to see, we'd like to see it structured so that the, um, open space, the habitat areas, as well as the permeability that we have talked about, we would like to make, uh, North Beshore into a walkable area with a finer grain, and we'd like to see that permeability in the whole master plan. Thank you very much.

[04:58:24] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Tim McKenzie.

[04:58:28] Tim McKenzie: Greetings, counsel. Um, I'm also going to be speaking about green space a little bit. Something that really caught my ear and staff presentation was the discussion of public and privately owned publicly accessible green space, and I couldn't help but think of the Monteloma school, which the Monteloma Park, uh, is there's been the discussions over the past few months of this uh, school owned green space that was accessible to the public now possibly being closed off. And similarly this, when 20 years ago, apparently Google said like, oh, the place will be open to the public. And just a few weeks ago, council voted to allow Google to build a fence and blocking off this publicly accessible space. Um, so I, I hope that I just want to, bring those things forward and say, I hope that you're very thoughtful about the way these things happen because the people who are going to live in this community don't live there yet. You're making decisions that 20 years from now, someone, maybe there, something will change and all of a sudden someone will have a fence in their neighborhood and no one will remember us individually here making these decisions. They'll just see the direct impact. And I hope that you're really thoughtful about that moving forward. Also, I'll know it, again, we have Google coming to present and give, like, here's, here's what we want to do. Um, and I noticed the staff recommendation was that, uh, like, revise the master plan and then represent within a year. Um, I hope that as uh, council moves forward with whatever this format ends up taking, and you can continue discussions with Google, there will be representatives from the alphabet workers union here as well. And we can get workers perspective in addition to the directors who make all the decisions that impact the workers directly. Um, thanks. Take care.

[05:00:30] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you, Jeff Morris.

[05:00:38] Jeff Morris: Um, can you hear me?

[05:00:41] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes.

[05:00:42] Jeff Morris: Okay. Good evening, Mayor May and city council members. My name is Jeff Morris. I've owned a property at 1808 North Shoreline for nearly 40 years and built a one story office building. I support the council's vision and want to build a mixed use project, which requires a small bonus FAR of 70,000 square feet. I was unable to compete for the bonus of AR in 2015 because Google controlled my property until 2026. Google later notified me of its intent to opt out of the lease and vacate the building. Of Noah's staff in 2019, several times after Google's inside West requalification requests were denied, and the bonus FAR allocations expired. Staff told me I'd be able to compete for the 155000000 square feet of unallocated bonus FAR. I was surprised that Google submitted a request for bonus FAR allocation of one,003 square feet. Um, Since the council is supposed to hear all allocation requests um, at the same time. I was pleased to see the discussion in the council report, though, of potential availability of up to 250,000 square feet of bonus FAR for other non-Googal property owners. This bonus FAR should be available now, rather than putting on hold indefinitely, so small projects like mine can move forward. I'm ready and committed to working with staff and Google to make sure there's a coordinated approach to the redevelopment of North Shoreline. I'm asking counsel to please give direction to staff, to amend the guidelines, to free up a small amount of FAR tonight, approximately 70,000 square foot for my project so that we can move forward out further delay, and also allow interested property owners to participate in offsite. Both in the district park and amphithe parking, since shared parking is a priority of the precise plan. Thank you very much for your consideration, my request.

[05:02:37] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Cat Wortham?

[05:02:44] Kat Wortham: Hi, good evening, uh, mayor, committee, vice mayor, Ramirez, and honorable council members. My name is Kat Wortham, and I'm the director of Housing and Health Policy at the Silicon Valley Leadership Group. On behalf of the members of the Leadership Group. I'd like to express our support for the master clan that's before you tonight. Um, we believe that there's a number of items in the plan to really be excited about. 1st and foremost, the inclusion of 7000 homes. We're really excited to see 20% of those homes, reserved as affordable housing, and we're extremely happy to see those units on site. Um, as part of the city's inclusionary uh, ordinance. We like that there's, um, opportunities for popas, open in nature space, and thoughtful space for the native eager population, and among other items, uh, where especially excited to see clustered parking or district parking, as well as an interest from the developer to look at innovative parking strategies for the plan area. As SPLG remembers the concerns over parking that were made when the precise plan was passed all the way back in 2017. Further, we would just urge everyone to consider innovative. Oh, apologies. We understand that tonight's proposal is contingent on the cancel approving the FAR request, and we would just urge counsel to approve this request, so we may see the homes, uh, to community benefits, and the like delivered upon with that. Thank you for the consideration of my comments.

[05:04:16] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. David Meyer?

[05:04:23] David Meyer: Thank you, Mayor Kmei. Vice Mayor Ramirez, members of the council, name is David Meyer, representing Silicon Valley at home. Uh, here tonight to express our support for the staff recommendation to allocate the bonus FAR to Google's master plan, which is really going to allow Mountain View to take the next step in implementing the precise plan. Um, you know, the states spent a lot of time, lot of great work and developing a clear vision for North Bayshore. And so, making sure that those decisions related to bonus FR allocation are based on whether proposal will significantly further, the overall goals of the plan is critical. And so Google's players proposal, which has 7000 new homes, 20% of them affordable, um, is really going to advance the city's goals of meeting 9000 and 150 new homes, making complete neighborhoods and all the other important community benefits, um, including all the things that Gita mentioned earlier in the environmental and ecology friends. Um, We're really pleased to see that since the last time since that council in 2019, Google has increased the potential number of new homes. They take an action to address from the outstanding community concerns on schools and open space. And while there's going to be issues that will need to be resolved after tonight, um, allocating the bonus FAR today will pull the North Bay Shore process out of its rut and allow it to move forward. And just real briefly, well, it's unrelated to today's action. I really want to also just mention that I'm excited about the fact that Cy West is working on a concept for land, it's land the gateway area where it's looking at potentially over 2000 new homes. This is really has the potential to take us to meet our overall goal. So we're looking forward to those upcoming gateway master plan discussions at council as well, where we're looking forward to discussing how Google and SiWest proposals can work together and how we can work together towards actually getting residential developments built and especially that affordable housing. So, again, reiterating our support for the staff recommendation. and urging the council to move this plan forward. So thank you very much.

[05:06:24] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you Cliff Chambers?

[05:06:30] Cliff Chambers: Hi, is Cliff Chambers, uh, resident of Mountain View and representing the Mountain View Coalition for Sustainable uh, Planning. I 1st want to really congratulate staff for what I feel was an extremely thoughtful. and well-written staff report and presentation tonight. It makes it really clear to the public, the benefits of this overall project. So thank you very much. Um, we've provided numerous letters on North Bay Shore over the years. In fact, it started back in in 2008 as part of the environmental sustainability task force one, where we were really recommending that the city were to develop coherent mixed-use villages to under utilize commercial zones to plan for Mountain View's future needs. The plan before you tonight, the preliminary North, uh, based our master plan, really exceeds our expectations for redevelopment of a suburban business park into a car light, mixed use development with complete neighborhoods, including significant affordable housing. We really, there's certainly a lot of significant details to be addressed, but we really strongly urge that city council provide very clear message for a green light for Google to proceed the development of the final North Bay, North Bay Shore Master Plan, with clearly stated revisions that the city council would like to be incorporated. We really support the staff recommendation for the requalification of the one. 3000000 square feet of office development with the conditions stipulated, and we really support, as I said before, most of the staff recommendations, and in particular, I'd like to have a little bit more of attention going forward, in terms of not of the Delanius plan, but how Google is going to meet their very aggressive modal goals, including the Google buses in relationship to HGT. Thank you.

[05:08:34] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you, David Watson.

[05:08:40] David Watson: Hi, I'm David Watson. I live in Rex Manor, and I work in North Bay Shore. I've been advocating for building homes near the jobs in North Bay Shore for 7 years now. I'm excited to see Google and SiWest proposing to build 1000s of homes to finally make the precise plan comes alive. I believe putting many, many homes, walking distance of jobs is going to help reduce our carbon footprint, which is increasingly crucial to, uh, our impact on the environment. It will also restore our jobs, the housing ratio, to a better state, and a more balanced state, and add many desperately needed affordable homes. I urge council to re-qualify the office bonate, bonus FAR that Google is requesting in order to, uh, play their musical chair game to move around offices and to, to, um, build these new homes. And, uh, Please unblock achieving a division set out in the North Bay Shore precise plan. Thank you.

[05:09:48] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. B. Hansen?

[05:10:07] Bee Hanson: Hi, uh, yeah, I'm, um, uh, Mountain View Mobile Home Alliance and also, uh, in the only, uh, residential development in North Asia, says Yago Villa. Uh, I, anytime if something like this comes up, I come out to support Google Plan because it is wonderful. Uh, and they have been, uh, they, uh, been very careful. to keep the neighbors informed of changes and uh, ask for it and put, we really appreciate that. Uh, I do support the um, Staff recommendation, uh, bonus bar for Google. Uh, I am also a little worried about the master plan. Uh, since I was uh, in last year, 2000. Apartments. Um, I'm, I'm buying the younger apartments, but I'm worried about the quality of their development in American Google. Uh, people has, uh, reached the right habitat, uh, the Charleston Smooth. It's a neighborhood oriented, uh, plan. And uh, it seems like it's possible it's like us, uh, would be kind of detached in that and uh, not as thoughtful, uh, as we're playing in that. Uh, so, um, I would qualify mine, uh, support those that, uh, staff recommendation on that basis. But, um, I'm looking forward to uh, seeing what happens in the next year. And I hope I will be here, uh, when it actually does. Of my time.

[05:11:50] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thanks, B. Alexander Brown.

[05:11:57] Alexander Brown: Not gonna change my tune tonight. I want more neighbors up here. I'd also love a small grocer within walking distance and public art, but please do not stick us with another PG&E for-profit utility monopoly. It's bad enough to be locked in the PG&E Comcast AT&T. I'd much rather have municipally run utilities, including municipal broadband, especially municipal broadband. I really like to not have to use Comcast. I also love to have the overhead power lines undergrounded. But not by a for-profit utility that's just going to end up passing on the cost of the upgrades to maintain their dividends. But back to the project, yes, please, more housing, more green space, some of my existing neighbors are the birds, and I'd like to keep it that way. And on behalf of my neighbors, I also have to request car housing for their sleepy cars. A lot of on street parking has been removed already with more slated for removal soon, and many Santiago Villa residents depend on that because they're not allowed to use the spaces that are inside the park overnight. So, yay to the project. Yes, please. Thanks.

[05:12:54] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Linda Ruth Ruff?

[05:13:03] Linda Ruthruff: Good evening. I'm Linda Ruthra. I'm the conservation chair for the California Native Plants Society, Santa Clara Valley chapter. We've been following Google's developing plans for North Bay Shore for years. What has attracted our attention and support in Google's proposals has always been their transformative approach to including urban ecology in their plans. We like that this project plans to use site appropriate native plants to create habitat, and thus bring nature into the built environment, where people spend the majority of their time. People need nature in order to function at their best. Spending time in nature improves our health, our ability to think, to creatively solve problems. It improves our mood and our overall well-being. As the neighborhoods where we house our citizens are built tighter and tighter, incorporating nature into the neighborhoods becomes increasingly important. We have seen during the pandemic how important having nature available is for community health, well-being and healing. Including innovated open spaces. Uh, such as the eco gem, uh, habitat creation, open space for people in nature, protecting the eager colony. These are all the types of creative greening that we want to see going forward. We hope that you find a way to include these features that will be transformative for North Bay Shore. Thank you.

[05:14:53] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Kelsey Baines.

[05:14:58] Kelsey Banes: Hi, my name is Kelsey Beans. I am the regional director for Yimby Action, um, and am calling in support for the staff recommendation. And, um, really want to thank the council for making quite a lot of homes possible in this area. And um, want to support a plan um, that can accommodate uh, 1000s more homes, uh, given that our region desperately needs more homes. Um, and given the number of supportive comments, I will leave my, my comment short and just say, I agree with previous commenters from SV at home and from Mountain View MV, and just want to thank everyone for moving this project forward after so many, um, years of hard work, um, and dedication to this process. Thank you.

[05:15:52] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. So, Salim, Dabardiji. Sorry, I'm sorry enough.

[05:16:02] Salim Damerdji: Um, uh, sorry, um, it sounds damagey, but in any case, um, the, uh, I, I love this project. I'm in a great week right now because of that presentation. Um, I cannot wait for to get built. So I strongly support uh staff's recommendation. Um, you know, it's not just the number of homes that this project will build or the number of affordable homes or the amount of parkland that it will create or the, you know, bikable, lockable neighborhoods that we'll have. It's everything. I mean, this project just, it just checks every box and yeah. Anyhow, I'm in a great mood. Um, I love the project. I, I hope that, uh, you approve the Google Schrober master plan and also the requalification of the full thonus FAR. Thank you.

[05:16:50] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Apologies for the mispronunciation there. Bill Viera.

[05:17:01] Bill Vierra: Yes, good evening, mayor and council members. My name is Bill Viera. with Siwest development. We're all working to achieve the same objectives in North Bay Shore. I think it's important that you know that Si West is not opposed to the Google effort that they're currently making in their current capacity as a developer, the real estate that they own. But tonight, it's really a question in our mind about process and timing related to the bonus FAR. It's about completing studies that are already underway, understanding their impacts and being able to strategically create solutions that work for all properties in North Bay Shore and not just one developer in particular. The properties that are yet to be developed did not create the current impacts that exist today, but yet we're all individually stymied until an economically viable solution is found for everyone. The value embedded in this FAR should be used to solve existing problems and fund mitigation that allow for future development, as everyone knows, the offices, the currency out there. The city, it's incumbent on them to assure that all 9850 housing units can actually get built. In 2019, the city's own consultant concluded that office is the sole currency that remains for the city to have any hope to mitigate current impacts and to pay down future impediments. And as currently proposed, the Google Plan spans 20 years, but yet lacks firm indications of how much housing, and when each phase will actually be implemented. But by mitigating impacts for everyone, you can ensure that more developers can deliver the housing and can ensure that a larger percentage of those units are actually built. To be clear, there's no path for residential development, without a comprehensive financial strategy, from the city that addresses the fees and funding of infrastructure that impedes all residential development. You know, I want to be clear as well that we are not supportive of gateway reallocation of the FAR that sits within the gateway area, until it's contemplated, that the city master plan is completed and adopted. It's premature to discuss any reallocation, it would further inhibit and impair. Thank you.

[05:19:06] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank, thank you. Sorry, time's up. Thank you. All right, that is all our public speakers, so we'll bring it back to council. Um, I see some hands up, so I'll turn to Vice Mayor Ramirez first.

[05:19:25] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you, mayor. Um, I expect, uh, the bulk of the conversation to be with questions 2 through 6. I believe it is. So just to get us started, I'll go ahead and move to adopt a resolution of the city council of the city of Mountain View authorizing the North Bay show precise plan, non-residential bonus floor area ratio, requalification request of 130000 square feet, from Google LLC, subject to a minimum community benefit value of $42000000 to be read entitled only further reading waves. And, um, I wrote, I was, thinking about, why I support this and have, um, just a few thoughts, um, so 1st, you know, the whole thing becomes moot, if we don't proceed with the, the requalification. Um, so, I figure dispensing with this question 1st as, as staff had, uh, recommended is, is a good idea. So, uh, some of the things that that are, that are at least important or compelling to me. 1st is that Google is the only applicant. I know there are other property owners who have, uh, interesting concepts, um, that many of us have seen or all of us maybe, um, but they have not submitted applications, and I feel it's important to work based off of the information that we have and the best information that we have is the application that's before us. Um, 2nd the other perspective application, notwithstanding, Google is the best positions to deliver the greatest value, uh, in, in community benefits. That's my understanding of the concept behind the bonus that they are, uh, as as adopted in the precise plan, that the bonus that they are would be allocated based on, uh, given developers' ability to implement the North Bay Shore precise plan, including delivering community benefits. So, despite the fact that I think that the Si West concept that, that, that I've seen, um, and potentially, Mr. Morris's concept, despite the fact that I think there's value in exploring those, I think the practical reality is, it is unlikely that either will be able to provide the same value in community benefits that Google will be able to. That's another reason why I'm supportive of the reauthorization. Um, So, one of the challenge, so I, I, I think that there's a lot of merit to some of the, the, the underlying points that uh, council member Abay Toko was making in, in her questions. If I can go back in time, uh, and redo the precise plan, I think what I would have done is explicitly prohibited the ability of property owners to sell bonus FAR. I think that really undermines the intent of the precise plan. But right now, there is a secondary market. Um, kind of like the LASD TDRs. And I, I think what we saw from May 2015 was, the challenge of allowing a secondary market, where you authorize, I think, the council, I hope, you know, authorizes bonus that they are in good faith, and then sees on the other side of it, that it ends up, you know, being sold to somebody else. And in, you know, in this case, Google got the lion's share of, of the bonus FPR that was allocated simply because they purchased the rights from from other property owners. And I worry that we could see that play out again. Um, if we wait for, you know, other perspective, uh, applications and and pursue those instead of this one. It very melt, they very well may end up the same way, and I'm, I'm just not, not really interested in that, not comfortable with that. And the final concern I have, um, which I think we talked about in 2019 is, um, property owners can build up to the base FAR without providing any community benefits at all. And this is something that I think Council Matachek is as referenced previously. Um, you know, this is what Microsoft did. Um, and, you know, again, if I could go back in time, what do we have allowed that up zoning to allow for that? Maybe not, maybe we would have wanted to be, uh, a little bit more restrictive so that way we can better control the office capacity and and really extract the value that I think we're all hoping to get from it. And I guess as a concluding thought. Um, I agree very strongly that, you know, I and I bet all of us, you know, have an expectation, that if we do proceed with this, the project will be delivered, and the community benefits will be provided, and as expeditiously as possible. Um, which is why I'm very interested in, in the parameters of the DA. I think that will be extremely important. Um, and I also really appreciate staff inclusion, but one year time limit, uh, for the submission of a, of a final application. I think that's that's prudent. Um, So for all of those reasons, I'm comfortable with the reauthorization. Um, and I have many thoughts, I think all of us do for the other questions, but I'll stop there. Thank you.

[05:25:16] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. Yes, council member Shoalta, I see you. Go ahead.

[05:25:22] Councilmember Pat Showalter: I'd like to 2nd this motion. Um, I, uh, I've been saying for many years that you can't sleep in a plan, and this is one step further, closer to getting this plan implemented so that many people can sleep here. So I, uh, enthusiastically, 2nd it.

[05:25:43] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. All right, so we have a motion and we have a 2nd and I still see 2 hands, so I'm going to take that as discussion. Council member Mattachek.

[05:25:55] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thank you. Um, so I, uh, share some of the concerns that, um, council member Abbe Koga was referring to earlier tonight. And, um, I would have preferred a different process for allocating the bonus FAR. Um, I would have preferred that all property owners had the opportunity at the same time. And to share their plans and be allocated. Um, the bonus far, similar to what was done in, I guess it was 2015. Um, but that's not where we are right now. And, um, I also, um, understand that, you know, Google is the major property owner in North Bay Shore and has the ability to deliver on a lot of the implementation of the precise plan. Um, So I will support this. Um, I would like, though, as part of this, not necessarily as part of the motion, but I'm interested in staff, also taking a look at, um, enabling TDRs from LASD, to potentially go to North Bay Shore. Um, I recognize that that's not a simple request that the, uh, precise plan would have to be amended. But, um, you know, if Google does, um, the great job they say they can do to get people out of their cars, then, um, perhaps the trip cap issue, um, is not as um, restricting as it is now. And we could move some of the TDRs to this area. Um, Part of my concern there is. I'm wondering if some of the purchasers of those TDRs might be, um, having 2nd thoughts given the, given COVID and other changes happening, and might want to, um, not purchase the TDRs that they committed to. And I don't want that to hurt the school district. Um, In the same regard. Um, I want to make sure we do, um, a great job of working with Mountain View Wisman School District here in North Bay Shore, um, because I think we recognize the importance of schools in our community. So, um, You know, like I said, I probably would have heard a different process. I think the DA terms are going to be incredibly important here. Um, but I will support this allocation tonight. Thanks.

[05:28:44] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Council member Abi Koga.

[05:28:49] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Thank you, and I appreciate, um, the comments from my colleagues, um, uh, I've already stated, um, in the form of a question, my concerns, um, and as, as much as I continue to have them, um, you know, again, for me, it's about having an equitable process, and I just don't think we had that, and, um, in all frankness, I didn't realize, I, I don't think we were actually told We were going to be doing the allocation and the master plan for Google in the same night and again, it's a process issue. I know that this is all new, so we're still learning as we go, but um, I get, I, I, I see. I see where we're heading, um, I, I don't, want to slow down the process at this point in time. Um, but I would like to ask and I don't know if I need to put it in the motion, but, um, in light of what's happened, I think we need to have a review of North Bay, the North Bay sure precise plan in the bonus FAR process because, um, you know, my thought is that there's no, again, as I mentioned, there's no guarantee any of these projects are going to happen. Um, but when we need a guarantee, we need a more of a guarantee. And number two, because we will have reached our cap, um, for North Bay Shore in terms of office square footage, I'd like to uh, see how, create some kind of path moving forward after this. And, um, you know, part of it, I, I, I, the way I look at it is, we were trying to achieve our housing goals if this Google project moves forward. and some of the others have come in. We are getting pretty close to that. So, perhaps that will, um, open up some opportunities as counselor meta check mentioned, um, for LASD, TDRs to be used in North Bay Shore or, um, or there may be projects that will not happen. And I guess that's where if there's, I believe there's a deadline for projects to submit or permits. And if those projects do not move forward. I would like to see that bonus FAR. Allocation returned back to the city to for us, the city to be able to reallocate that, similar to what Vice Mayor Ramirez said about, you know, not allowing the developers to sell amongst themselves, that that that come back to the city for the city to decide how those are allocated. So, um, yeah, I don't know if that needs to be in the motion, but that is what I would like for us to do moving forward. And, um, yeah, if we need emotion later to do that, I'm happy to do so. Thank you.

[05:31:45] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you, council member Lieber.

[05:31:47] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Thank you mayor. Um, well, I think this is one of those cases of uh, everything has been said, but not everyone has said it. So, um, I just wanted to say that I have had conversations with staff about, um, some of the other, um, uh, property owners in in North Bay Shore and, um, I think that staff is really committed to communicating in a very clear and concise way with them with the path forward. Um, for them is to to be able to compete and there is a path forward. And, and so I'm very pleased with that. And, um, I actually think that this uh, this project is going to once again put, put mountain view on the map in a very good way. And it's kind of, um, everything that we could ask for in terms of, uh, a new urbanist concept that's tied to, um, the environment and the natural world and the unique attributes that North Bay Shore has. And um, so I think it's going to be a great thing for our community in the future. And, um, uh, who would have known that the the garbage dump in an environment, uh, uh, uh, industrial area would turn into something so good. So, kudos to everyone who's been working on this so hard.

[05:33:14] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. Did everyone give feedback on this question? Customer hicks? Did you did you?

[05:33:23] Councilmember Alison Hicks: I'm gonna enthusiastically support the motion.

[05:33:26] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay. Thank you. Great. Short, short and to the point. Okay, so then I think everyone's given feedback and so it's just up to me to answer the question. So, um, Yes, um, I support allocating the request for the 1300000 square feet. Um, you know, I think that Many of my colleagues have said some of the comments. I mean, I think for myself, I've worked on North Bay Shore precise plan one, North Bay Shore precisely and 2, and now working on it as a council member, and I know that it's been quite a journey. I think, um, some of the questions related to processes and communication are things that we can address in questions 2 through 6 because I do think, um, you know, being able to communicate, especially during a pandemic with all the different property owners, as well as the community members, um, is really essential and important. Um, per transparency to this important process. So, I think I'm going to wait, um, until those questions to provide, um, my feedback. Um, Okay. So, question one is answered, Steph has that, which means that we can move on to questions, 2 through 6.

[05:34:44] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Excuse me. I'm sorry, we we do need a roll call vote.

[05:34:48] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay. Yes. Yes, yes. All right. Okay. So, um, Miss Wonderland, do you want to take the roll call vote? Apologies.

[05:34:58] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Also member, Abbe Goga.

[05:35:00] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: I.

[05:35:01] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Council member Hicks.

[05:35:03] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Yes.

[05:35:04] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Council member reliever.

[05:35:05] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Hi.

[05:35:06] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Council member Medichek.

[05:35:08] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Yes.

[05:35:09] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Council member Sean Walter.

[05:35:10] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Yes,

[05:35:11] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Vice Mayor Ramirez.

[05:35:13] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Yes.

[05:35:15] Interim City Clerk Silvia Vonderlinden: Mayor Kameh.

[05:35:16] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Yes. All right, okay. Yeah, sorry, sorry, this is a little bit different than we normally do, which is having to take a roll call vote and then having to go into a study session type situation where we answer 2 through 6. So, appreciate everyone working through the various things that we have to go through tonight. All right, so questions 2 through 6. So perhaps staff can bring up the screen. In terms of those questions. Would anyone like to start with their answers for 2 through six? Council mayor Magic.

[05:36:13] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thank you. I didn't realize that was first, but happy to start. Um, so question two. Um, I am fine with uh, staff's proposal on that. On question three. Um, I did have several comments here. Um, And I'm going to kind of go, well, I'll start with the gateway area. Um, I would prefer more entertainment and retail. And I want to make sure we do have the large, open space, um, in the gateway area. Um, I, I like what we envisioned in the precise plan, and I would like to see it closer to that, um, than not. Um, you know, we talked about the gateway being the most dense, most active area. And so I want to make sure that's what really happens there. Um, I would like to see some of the, um, the park or open space, in the precise plan closer or within, the residential area, rather than closer or within the office area. Um. I feel like the, you know, it's kind of like it's tying together the green loop, but what I think is more important is to have it very close to where the residential uses. And so I'd like to see it, um, moved more central to the residences. Um, I also um, would like the heights to comply with the height restrictions in the precise plan. And I think there might be, they might. Um, I think um, it was just unclear. So, um, I'd like to clarify that and make sure they do comply with the precise plan. And, um, I do appreciate the eco gem, and the riparian, and wetland habitat area as well as the expansion of the egret, um, habitat area, all those, I think, are great. I tried to figure out on page 64 of my, The attachment that I spent tons of time on attachment 5. And it shows the phasing. And it wasn't clear to me. Which was going first? Um, although it does say the Shoreburg neighborhood, but there's, um, looks like several different colors there, and I didn't know if that meant what was going first. But I'd like to see, um, those areas be part of what happens 1st in the Shore Bird area. And, um, I am definitely interested in exploring the city owning uh, 4 acres, where that we're targeted for the elementary school. And um, I know there might be a challenge with um, providing a Parkland credit. So I'd like to make sure we are creative here. And, um, Actually, I might have a, um, a different perspective on providing Parkland credit because what I don't want to do is set a precedent for other areas. So I'd like to find something that's kind of another one off, kind of a thing. that we could, um, work with Google on, to make the economics work, and, and the, I could think of several things. Um, there's the, um, lease on the, on lot C that maybe we could work something there. Um, in exchange for the 4 acres being dedicated to the city. Um, or, um, You know, I think there's other things that Google is looking to do that are sort of one offs that, um, I feel like we should consider. So I don't want us to get stuck on, it can only be part credit. Um, I really want us to explore other things. And as council member show Walter said earlier, I think there's benefits to the city owning that property. Um, You know, I, I feel like what I would want to do is, you know, um, time the opening of the school to when there is um, enough students to support that school. And we don't really know when that's going to be. So maybe the city could use it in the meantime. And then we lease it to the school for an incredibly reasonable amount. Um, we've leased other property for a dollar. Um, so then the school district uses it. Um, and then if, For some unknown reason, you know, we can't really project the future. Um, they don't need the school. Then the city has the ability to change its use, um, to something that we need in the North Bay Shore area. Um, So I really want us to explore lots of different options there. Um, because I do get that the economics of building residential in North Bay Shore are challenging. And so I do want to work with Google on, um, how to make this come to fruition and helping to address some of those economics. Um, question, or I'm okay with the BMR strategy. Question five. I am okay with the, uh, let's C. And the one thing I would like to explore though is, is that there are other property owners who might also want to participate in district parking. And I'm sorry, that would probably be most likely to happen on the city's property, that they have the option to participate. And by that, I mean, they would help pay for their, they would pay for their fair share of the parking. Um, it's not like somebody else would pay for it and they'd get to use it. They would have to contribute. Um, I don't know if the Parking can be larger than what is planned. Um, but I would like to explore that, um, on behalf of the other property owners. Um, Question 6. This one, um, sort of was referring to earlier tonight, um, the community benefits, um, I appreciate uh, the list of community benefits. It was kind of hard for me to figure out really what the value of all of them are combined. We don't have all that information yet. Um, and then I was also looking sort of at the other side of the equation in my mind, which was all of the items that the, that are being asked of the city. Um, the uh, the credits were being asked to provide. And how do those look in comparison to each other, and all the other things the city needs to do that, um, is going to cost money. So I kind of want the complete picture on this before I feel like, yes, you know, this makes sense. Um, So, um, clearly there was one credit that was asked for, and that's the Copa credit. And they were asking for 100%, but we just, um, I think that was just last week, said it was 75%, and I'd like to stick with the 75%. Um, because again, to my earlier comment, I don't want to set precedence. That then would potentially ripple through the city. Um, So I also want to reiterate that I'm willing to work with Google on the economics of all of this. Um, and I feel like community benefits and credits are all gonna play a role somehow in that. Um, but we don't have the answers tonight. Um, and I I feel like I, I could go on about this, but we don't have the data tonight. So I'll just say, I'm looking forward to this discussion and I do want to work with Google on it. Thanks.

[05:44:53] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Council member Hicks.

[05:44:57] Councilmember Alison Hicks: Well, I was going to say many of the exact same thing. So thank you for going to 1st Council member Matticheck. It makes it much easier for me. Um, so, uh, suggested uh, for question 2 suggested amendments to the uh, non-residential bonus affair guidelines, I would go with the uh, staff recommendation. Um, does comments on land uses, et cetera. That's where I had more comments. Um, that, uh, I, I agree with uh, council member, man check that I would like to make sure we have enough entertainment and retail, and I might say also openness at the hotel, you know, if there's a restaurant on the ground floor. There's, you know, talk in the precise plan of this being a regional destination, and I want to, although, of course, I support neighborhoods serving retail, that's important. I want to make sure there are things that, um, you know, draw draw other people there who don't live and work there, uh, from time to time as well. Um, then, uh, I would like the parts to be more near the residential, uh, in places, if possible. I agree, I would like to give the school land to the city and, um, possibly use it before there's a school and lease it to the school. Um, I want to make sure that the ecological habitat restoration happens, possibly, I mean, I can bring this up later. It could be part of the uh, benefit package and the development agreement. Um, let's see. If there's anything else there, then, um, as for, for the master plans, BMR strategy, I do support that. I'm wondering whether the standalone. I'm thinking that the standalone affordable housing might be a good place to entertain a land trust, a community land trust, which I've worked with in the past, which would allow, um, affordable, permanently affordable ownership opportunities. So that's something I would suggest exploring. Um, As far as the shoreline, question 5, the shoreline amphitheater parking. I support that, and I would like to see if there was for other property owners to participate. And then the community benefits. Um, I, you know, I like the ones named, but I also might want to add the ecological habitat restoration, making sure that that happens, um, as part of the, uh, community benefits, specified community benefits. And I agree with council member matter check that there should be an overall economic analysis to figure out how to do all of that. So that's it. Thank you.

[05:48:01] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Anyone else like to add their comments to questions to through 6. Council member Shel Walter.

[05:48:11] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Sorry. Bye, Mom. Um, I'd like to comment that, um, for me, the the main important decision that we had to be definitive on, um, tonight was, was question one, and we've done that. And the rest is we're looking at a preliminary master plan, and there will be a, um, you know, a final master plan that we'll deal with within the year, hopefully. Um, and so I kind of feel like, you know, these are just very, um, upper level guideline uh, responses. I don't feel like this is my final word on any of this stuff because we don't have all the details. Like, um, uh, Council member Manachek and Hicks said about about the community benefits. I kind of feel that way a little bit with, with all of it. Um, But, uh, the, um, I think that the, more specifically, number two, the, the, uh, the staff proposed a reasonable non-residential bonus FAR guideline. Let's go forward with it. Equity is um, a very important uh, um, equity and transparency are very important components of it. Um, on the land use question. I'm really concerned with the school property. And, um, I, uh, I feel like, uh, this, uh, uh, Council member Manichicks had to say about the financial creativity really sort of spoke to me. Let's let's figure out how we can do this. At the same time, we have just passed this Popo regulation. Again, how can we be, um, uh, creative and and make this work as well as possible? Perhaps there's something related to the development of the district parking lot that could be used to contribute to this 25% discrepancy. Um, The, um, the BMR strategy. Yes, I do approve that. I think it's great that we're shooting for the 20% of affordable housing. I mean, looking at our arena report. This week, um, it was obvious that we really need more affordable housing. It's just hugely desirable in our community. So, so that's very important. At the same time, I think that if there's something we can do, process wise, to make this affordable housing move as quickly as possible, such as perhaps having the, um, the RFP process, uh, for the, the affordable housing providers go go earlier than might normally happen. I'm for that. We, you know, what we want to get the affordable housing built as quickly as possible, as well as the other housing. Um, The, the district parking for question five. I went I got to go out there and actually see that. And I was really impressed by how recessed that area. You know, when I 1st read about the thought of putting in a 4 story parking structure. I kind of was, I, I, it just, I really thought it would be, you know, a horrible eyesore. But because of of the topography, I think it can actually work quite well. And there are some very creative ideas about what to do with the top of it. So that it might be used sometime for parking and sometimes for holding events. Um, and and perhaps we could even have some restaurants up there or some uh, commercial space up there is um, is something to to look into. So I'm interested in seeing what, uh, what, what, uh, the, what Google and and the staff comes back with. And as for the community benefits, this is an excellent list, but we do need to understand the economics of, um, all these choices and, um, and sort of the final list is, is, will be negotiating in the future. Thank you.

[05:52:13] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Council member Lieber?

[05:52:15] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Okay, mayor, um, I have a question for staff. Does listing the eco gem in the wilds areas? Um, as a community benefit rather than just as integral to the project, um, uh, lead us to be leveraged in some way. Like being asked to give up something else to get that.

[05:52:41] Assistant City Manager Aarti Shrivastava: Um, Council member, um, Lieber, um, Artisha Vasteva responding, um, at basically, I think we're gonna have to work through, just like we did for the middlefield park, uh, master plan, and figure out what's part of the required, uh, and what's part of the community benefits. Now, because they could be either. And so we need to sort that out. Um, putting it in the community benefit bucket allows Google to, um, uh, count that towards the the package. Um, so that's kind of the long and the short of it. But tonight, we're hoping to hear just counsel's ideas and then we'll go back and work through all those details.

[05:53:27] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Okay. And and I'm just concerned. I share the, the concern about, you know, who's gonna actually, um, uh, put together that area and manage it, not, and all, and how do we get it? More quickly and, and not just as the very last thing that happens. Um, but so when it comes back, you know, I'm really interested to see, do we, do we get more faster by, um, counting it as a community benefit or, um, an integral part of the overall plan, uh, outside of the, the list of the community benefits?

[05:54:08] Assistant City Manager Aarti Shrivastava: I think a lot of that will depend on the phasing of the different project timelines and it's like moving puzzle pieces around. You have to demolish buildings, move people out, make space. So, I think we can work through all those and bring that to council. So, you can see a realistic timeline of the earliest, um, some of these can be brought online, and and then some determinations.

[05:54:33] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Great. Thank you.

[05:54:37] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Council member Abby Koga.

[05:54:41] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Thank you. Um, so let's start from number two. Um, in terms of Vanessa FR guidelines. Um, I agree with some of my colleagues, um, when we were talking about, uh, the gateway. I want to make sure that we have entertainment and retail, um, uses there that we had envisioned. Um, frankly, just overall, like, it's hard to, you know, really, say if I support this project or not because, um, we just don't have the details on the devils and the details and there's a lot of details for us to work out, but in particular, um, I know, council member Madachek bought, um, up the issue of heights. Um, and I have some, um, questions around that too. So, I'll have to see more details before I can say whether I, you know, support this in concept or not. But um, I'll just leave it at that for now. Um, going on to item 3 in terms of land juices, um, I agree with the comments about, um, moving the open space closer to residential uses, parks and open space. Um, I am particular, have, um, a very, very particular um, change. I would like to see Nate, and that's the parking structure, parking garage on, at the end of Showbird way, I believe it is, next to the proposed school site. Um, I believe in that district parking should be accessible closest to like the major thoroughfares and putting this park garage at the end of Shorewood Way, which and which is also going to be surrounded by, I believe, the eco gym and Shorewood Wilds and, and then the school, to me, doesn't make a lot of sense. And, um, I was just thinking about traffic in the morning, as much as we will hope that people walk to school or bike to school, there's still probably going to be people driving to school, and if you're trying to drive, and if other employees are trying to get to the parking garage at the same time, and that's a pretty narrow street, it's going to be a nightmare. So I would like to see that parking garage moved elsewhere or combined with another district parking garage and just eliminate it completely. Um. The other, uh, comments that were made in light of what, um, some of the questions that came up. So I would like to just state that the eco gym and the sure wild, sure wild, so that it, um, be included in the open space plan, and I would like to see that clearly delineated when we when we see this back to us, um, with the clear phasing that it is moved up, um, and delivered at the same time that, um, that, that phase is, um, proposed. So I would just put it in the open space park category, not as a community benefit. Um, same with the school. Um, yeah, it sounds like the best way is to have it dedicated to the city and then the city could then, um, transfer it or dedicate it to the schools. So, um, I would like that to be cleared clarified too, that process. Um, and then I'll just say in terms of the popa. Um, I cannot support the 100% credit request in light of the policy that we just set a couple of weeks ago. So 75% is the maximum. Uh, for me. Uh, going on to item 4 in terms of the BMR strategy. Um, I'm open to this. Again, I think, you know, the details are going to really determine what this means. Um, similar to the middle field park project. Um, land dedication is fine, but I don't want, you know, all of like more units or more density, twice some density that we've done in the past, um, you know, planned for that parcels that we are, we, the city gets in this land dedication, um, process. So, I I would need to see what we're really talking about. And I'm just, you know, one comment I wanted to make around this is, um, when we talked about the, um, north facial precise plan, the 2.0. Um, I had actually advocated for more than 20%. Um, I know, I believe San Jose's, um, deer it on, Google project is going for 25% and I think Vice Mayor.

[05:59:23] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Yes.

[05:59:24] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: And, um, My concern is, you know, as if you look at Arena, allocation for the next cycle and what we have, um, zone 4. Um, we should be able to meet and even exceed, um, the, the, um, our, our required number. overall number. But when you look at the affordable categories, and that's where, you know, all cities are frankly short. Um, when I was calculating what our allocation is, it's about, um, I think I, it was about 28% for the very low and 17% for the low income categories. So the Rina allocations expect us to do about 45% affordable. And so 20% is, you know, half of that. But it's not we're never going to get there if we just continue to allow market rate housing to build, you know, at 20, 15, 20%. We have to go beyond that. And my concern is that, you know, as we allocate all of this land, we're just running out of land. And so for, you know, every market rate unit, um, that we develop, we have to actually start thinking about, well, there's that one less unit of affordable we could develop. So I just want us to be, you know, mindful of that and moving forward. Um, that we should be shooting for higher targets in certain areas if we can. Um, and also looking at, you know, how we get land to build more than the 20%, frankly, to be able to really hit our affordable housing, um, allocation requirements. Um, so that's my little spiel about BMRs. Um, going to parking. Um, I do agree with uh, the other council members that, uh, whatever we do at the Shoreline Amphitheater, I would like to make sure that, um, it is inclusive of other interested property owners. And, um, I know that there's a lease terms to be, um, Worked out here. Um, you know, I want to make sure that they're, uh, fair, but also in light of all of the other, um, needs that we have, you know, I I would be open to to looking at how we could incorporate some of the other needs, um, through that lease agreement. Um, and then, uh, the other, the other thought I had, and I know this is more challenging, and I hope maybe we'll have, when we talk about transportation or circulation in North Asia, we can talk more about it, but I think about the TDM measures we've discussed and one area that I feel more strongly about, the more I learn about it is, um, paid parking. And so, um, I'd like to see how we can look at implementing, you know, pay parking requirements, uh, to basically lower the SOV rates. Um, and then finally, Community benefits. So, um, I think the list is a great start. There's still a lot to be determined in terms of value there. Um, I also, I guess my one concern I saw in my staff report on page 27 is this expectation that the city will do all the improvements for utilities and transportation. And that was not my recollection of the North Bay Shore precise plan, um, even the 1st version. I don't think it was taken out of the 2nd version. So, I looked, I went back and looked at the North facial precise plan, and we expect a fair share of contributions for the cost of capital improvements. Um, and so I don't think that that should be completely on the responsibility of the city. And that's where in the written questions I asked for a list of the transportation projects. I think we just need to dive into that a little bit more. I think Council member Matachek mentioned it in terms of an economic analysis. St brings it up here. We do need to look at a real funding strategy, and I expect, um, you know, contributions, participation from the property owners, and, um, I'm not at this time, you know, comfortable saying, yes, the city will take on the responsibility of all the utilities and transportation improvements. And so that's still a discussion that needs to be, um, I've had. Uh, I, you know, heard from the Google representatives about our bonding capability with the shoreline fun, but, um, as we've heard from the schools, you know, they will need some funding for building the schools. They're only getting land. So we have to think of that. We have to think of sea level rice. We have to think of all of the other components to that. So, um, you know, I'm not ready to commit anything in terms of our obligations at this point in time. So that's a, to me, a discussion to be continued and fleshed out further. Um, so yeah, I think that covers all of it. Thank you very much.

[06:04:48] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Vice Mayor Ramirez.

[06:04:51] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Thank you, Mayor. Um, lots of, uh, good ideas and and I'll, I'll do my best to just focus on some of the, um, uh, headlines, I guess. Uh, so 1st I want to, strongly 2nd um, uh, council member Abikoga's suggestion to explore paid parking and I would also add congestion pricing as, uh, strategies to reduce, uh, you know, SOVs and and as, as I think, just general TDM measures. So I think that's a great idea, and I'd love to, to see if there are opportunities to implement that in this context. Um, so for question two, I support the staff recommended amendments, question three. Um, I, uh, high level conceptual support. I think as many members of the council have said, um, there's, there's a lot of detail that will have to better understand, uh, just a couple of things that I want to, um, I think echo support for. Uh, I do think, you know, what, what I'm, what I'm hearing and, and I would agree with this, the, the, eco gem and the, uh, shore bird wilds concepts are extremely important, and they're among the things that make this a very compelling, uh, developed proposal, really unique, I think, to, to this area and to, and to what can be delivered from the master plan. Um, so I, I do think it's important for the council to understand how those will be implemented, just, just the dedication of land, that's important, but how do we actually realize uh, the vision for those, for those, um, those open space areas. And then, um, I also support, uh, the proposal to dedicate, um, the land, uh, slated for the school site to the city. And I'm certainly committed to working with the school district to help deliver a school, but I think that's, that's an elegant solution. Um, question 4 so the, the BM, that affordable housing strategy, broadly, is the most important aspect of this proposal, uh, to me. I think there are many different, important proposals and, and, and lots of things that we'll have to, you know, make sure we, we understand and and, and execute, but, uh, I, I, I do find a lot of what, Council member Abitoga had, uh, had suggested, you know, very, um, important and and compelling, um, so I, I would love to deliver the affordable housing as expeditiously as we possibly can. Um, and just as we talked about with Middlefield Park. Uh-huh. So, uh, but high level, support the hybrid concept, some inclusionary, and then the, uh, dedication concept, uh, question 5 Uh, yes, I'm supportive of the shoreline amphitheater parking, question 6, um, again, kind of like Middlefield Park. Uh, I think I'm eager to see, I'm guessing we're hiring a consultant to determine the value and and whether the proposals and compliance with the precise plan. So, um, I don't have a lot to say until we've seen that, um, if there are proposals and compliance, then I'm going to support it. Um, I think the one thing I will add, and I think council member Mattachek, Mattachek, and a few others, uh, on the council had, had talked about this. Um, you know, financial feasibility is important. Uh, and I'm open to creative ways of helping the project pencil and uh, and uh, exploring opportunities to, to make that happen. So, um, I think there were many good ideas that that have been discussed and and I'm interested in exploring any of them. Um, and uh, and I think especially, you know, in the context of the, the DA, which I think has its own value and its own process. I think that'll be an important opportunity to, to figure a lot of that out. Um, so those are my comments. Thank you.

[06:09:00] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Thank you. Council member Abi Koke, I see your hand up again.

[06:09:03] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: I'm sorry, um, I don't forget to mention, um, that we talked about it earlier, the DA and, um, I think staff had asked if we had any thoughts on that. So, um, you know, I would be open to the 15 to 20 years, but with very clear performance measures. Um, I support the 12 months to get the final master plan and the development agreement back to us for um, review and potential adoption. Um, and then after that, um, you know, I'm just, I was just thinking about our other projects and other DA lengths and they were, I think the longest we did before was about 7 years. So, um, I would like to see clear like milestones at the 5 to 7 year range. Um, and this is like, I want to see actual development happening in that time frame. So every, you know, 5 years or 7 years, we do some kind of um, milestone and performance milestone for, for the project to be able to move forward to the next phase. And if, you know, if those aren't being met, it could be done by, um, you know, reallocating or taking back some of the bonus, if they are square footage or, you know, requiring a fee or for their community benefits. I'd be open to looking at any of those. But I really want to make sure that we can have some guarantee at the end of, you know, 20 years that something has happened because that's a long time to lock up all the square footage in this area. Thanks.

[06:10:37] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you, Council member Mattachek.

[06:10:41] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thank you, since I went first. I just want to comment on other things that folks said after me. Um, I think, um, the issue of the parking structure being right next to the school, the council member Abbe Koga mentioned, is a really good point. And so, yeah, I think, um, the parking structure maybe needs to find a different location or, as she said, have some of the others maybe a little bit larger. Um, I do support, you know, a 15, 20 year, um, development agreement, um, with milestones as was pointed out. Um, I think that was it. Thanks.

[06:11:24] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you. Um, and I wanted to um, circle back to council member Leaper. I think you asked a question, but I'm not sure that I got your input for questions 2 through six. Perfect.

[06:11:38] Councilmember Sally Lieber: I think that it's been so well covered by everyone and there were so many comments that I agreed with. Um, I think one thing that uh, stands out to me is that in terms of the, um, the parking structure on the, the lot that's being used for Live Nation. Um, I'm, I'm not as interested in, um, wedging in retail and different intense buying uses there, and that kind of thing. And, um, uh, then in terms of the, um, uh, the affordable housing, I, I like the comment that was made by council member show Walter relative to trying to see how, how we could, um, accelerate that coming online. Um, because, uh, I think that's just such a huge pressure point for the community. Um, right now, and, and I know that the, the small property owners that are within the complete neighborhoods area are really feeling the, the pressure. Um, now, and I, I know that staff is going to be communicating with them, but I, I really think that a number of folks have said that they put a high value on, um, having, having them be able to compete for, um, some, some bonus FAR as well, and and them knowing just in a really clear way what their, uh, their opportunities are. And um, I think that that was, um, that was pretty much it for me. Um, and, uh, yeah, thanks.

[06:13:24] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Thank you. Appreciate it. Oops. Okay. So um, I will weigh in on questions 2 through six. So, you know, I I feel like my vote for question one was the signal that I'd like to move forward in in the North Bay Shore, I see, um, this, uh, proposal as, you know, way of further unlocking the potential of the North Bay Shore that we've been talking about for years and years and that this is a sign of at least my my commitment about working together. Um, the city with, um, cool ongoing forward. So just wanted to kind of capture my comments in that. Um, so for for question two, um, I'm open to staff's recommendation about, uh, a separate process that, um, various applicants can apply for that remaining um, square footage. I really feel like I'd like to see a wide reach to make sure that we are contacting all remaining potential property owners in the North Bay Shore. I think one of the things, um, that's really important that I mentioned earlier is just the communication, the outreach, and then also letting the surrounding community know. There's a community out there already, Santiago Villa. So just letting them know and being able to also, I think, provide input to the potential applications, uh, that are coming back to the city for that square footage would also be important. I know that they've, um, been included in the talks with Eden housing and Severado, and this is just another part where I feel like that community engagement, um, for whatever comes, um, forward is going to be really important. Um, really wanting to see these potential, various projects, be able to complement each other and talk to each other. Think something we all want in the North Bay Shore is a complete neighborhood with all the amenities necessary so that we can hit those, you know, TDM targets, um, and make sure that people, we don't have to go towards congestion management, um, paid parking because we're being so thoughtful in how we're constructing this, this neighborhood in this area. Um, so I like what I see in terms of the greenways and the connected networks. I think that'll really help. But when we're talking about the non-residential uses of that bear, I think it's, we do need to be thinking about how the projects are going to be able to talk to each other. And make sure that the timing is clear. You know, this process has been going on 2015, 2017. We looked at these projects in 2019. Just being able to continue to connect the dots is important. Um, so, um, moving on to question 3 in terms of the layout comments. Um, I appreciate the the, the most recent revised layout, um, that I'm seeing from our Apple Kint. I do like the new location of where the school is located. And I think many of my colleagues have talked about, um, a preference for the land to be dedicated to the city for the school and I'm I'm comfortable with that. Um, And Yes. And also appreciative of the comments in the staff report on page 23 where we're talking about, um, being able to have some, um, built-in units as, uh, as well as, um, a land dedication. So that's going into question four, which is the BMR strategy. I'm supportive of whatever brings the greatest flexibility to get the housing built in the North Bay Shore. So, um, you know, I appreciate that that Google has come back to us with 1000s more units of housing. I think originally it was closer to 5000. Now we're talking about 7000. So I'm encouraged and I hope that the next iteration that we might see might be tweaks or even more housing. That's just me trying to be cautiously optimistic. Um, but, you know, I think that we, we talked about this a little bit with the Middlefield Park, which is we want to see land vacation. We also want to see inclusionary units to the, to the, um, extent possible. And so continuing to want to do that. Um, and it's also, um, the, the opportunities for both her rental and ownership when we're talking about BMR units, at least that's something of interest to me. Um, moving on to question five, which is the parking inclusion. I'm happy with, or I'm comfortable with, um, the parking model that Google's already been putting forward, which is, um, uh, the, the thing is escaping me right now, but what they've been calling it is fine. Um, I really think that there needs to be a lot of coordination between the city, live nation and Google. It sounds like, um, there are different terms expiring and I just want to make sure that as we're talking about something that could last for 4 years. that, um, it's extremely clear what those guidelines are, um, as well as, um, Right now we've been able to use part of our, our shared lot with my nation as, um, a safe parking lot. And so what do they, what are the implications as we're moving, um, towards this district parking? There you go, the district parking model. Um, and if they're different timelines for all of these, like just, just, I think, coordinating so that we might be able to to use them in the off season for safe parking, if possible. I think would be good. Um, so when it comes to talking about the community benefit. Uh, I, I, Council member Matachek's comments really struck me, which is, you know, it's difficult to talk about what the community benefits are when there's a lot of exceptions being requested of the city or or costs that are going to, to come to the city. So I think rather than necessarily just commenting on the proposed community benefits, I would like to hold on my comments to when we do have that economic evaluation and we're able to maybe, um, quantify things a bit more, um, because right now it just feels a little bit nebulous. So I don't want to go too far into the weeds. Um, we, you know, as Castleman Medachek mentioned, we don't know the value with which the different credits were being asked of. Um, would, yeah, the final number would be. So I, I want a complete picture before I'm giving comments on, on community benefits. I will say, though, that council has taken certain steps and indications of where they're going when it comes to the parkland dedication. Um, we have had, as we learned last week, uh, 5 different council opportunities to discuss it and we still landed on the 75%. So kind of given that we've landed on that 75%. That's where we are. And so how do we work collaboratively on kind of creative solutions, um, for some of the hurdles that might, um, put in front of us, um, or put in front of the applicant. I think that there were comments about financial feasibility and I feel very sensitive to that. And so, you know, how do we, that's where I feel like the credit conversation and the community benefit conversation could help, um, wiggle out, um, some good financial, um, feasibility. Um, for in relation to the DA, um, I, the performance measures that we discussed both with Middlefield Park and tonight are things that I am comfortable with. And also wanted to comment on the opportunity to purchase TDR. Some of my colleagues discuss that from the, um, being able to purchase the LASD TDRs, uh, to use in this area. Um, I'm not sure kind of the implementation of that and how that would work. Um, but I am open to it. So hopefully, if uh, staff doesn't mind pulling um, down the shared screen. They have everything that they need from us. So I'm looking to you, Ms. Petoli. you have everything you need?

[06:21:50] Diana Pancholi: Yep.

[06:21:51] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you.

[06:21:53] Diana Pancholi: If we may quickly summarize, just to confirm, um, we do have majority support for the staff recommendation on the process. Uh, uh, the general comments on, on question 3 were, that more detail was needed, um, and that, um, there's general support, and then I'll list the other miscellaneous comments afterwards, the 4 acres to be dedicated to the city. Um, and for us to look uh, for, for other creative solutions. Um, on question 4, the BMR, there was general support, um, for the strategy. Question 5, Lot C, um, uh, support for including Lot C as far as the amphitheater district. Um, and and question 6 on the community benefits, general support, but more detail was needed. Other comments that we received had to do with, um, Looking at uh, TDRs potentially in the future. Um, I think staff is going to have to follow up with the North Bay show precise plan, and this might have to be a future item of follow-up. Um, the 2nd is, um, uh, needing more information on city commitments for infrastructure. Um, looking at the potential to use Lotzi, um, for other, um, property owners, uh, if if interested. Um, and these are just generic comments that we will try to fold, if not, into this master plan into, at least having other property owners are interested to propose solutions, um, when they bring their bonus FAR proposals forward. Um, am I missing anything?

[06:23:43] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Hey, manager, McCarthy, go ahead.

[06:23:45] City Manager Kimbra McCarthy: Yes, I would just know one other thing. Thank you, mayor. Also, there was pretty, pretty much consensus on the habitat and ecological area. Um, making sure that that's part of the open space plan. So I would just note that too, um, uh, staff. Just please make sure that that's part of the consensus.

[06:24:08] Diana Pancholi: Yes, an interest in phasing that. Thank you.

[06:24:14] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. I knew that I forgot something, and that is the thing that I forgot to talk about, and we're including it, so perfect. All right, anything else that we are missing, colleagues? All right. Okay, well, I think that that, oh, Counselor Mabakoga.

[06:24:30] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Yes, okay. Yeah, this is my little thing that I just wanted to see if there was any interest in moving that parking garage off of Shorebird at the end of Shorebird. You know, there I heard a couple of folks that, I was hoping to see if there's majority to look at that.

[06:24:49] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Okay. Thank you. Bye, Samira Ramirez.

[06:24:53] Vice Mayor Lucas Ramirez: Uh, thank you. I'm not opposed to that. I just, I think, I think it might be helpful for staff to, I just wanted better understand the impact, you know, other, other locations where it'd be pretty easy to slide it in. Is it a difficult thing to do? Um, so open to exp- exploration, but I'm, I just want to make sure I understand the impacts before making a decision.

[06:25:17] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: That would be great if we could just look at it.

[06:25:21] Mayor Ellen Kamei: So I saw, I saw heads nodding um, on the exploration part. So maybe we can just do a strong poll, and if you could just raise your hand if you're interested in the exploration of the shorebird parking, okay, that is unanimous. All right. And I see Mr. Mastva taking notes. So she's got that one down. Anything else we may have missed colleagues that we wanna include or talk about? All right. Well, at this point, we just want to thank staff, really appreciate it. So we'll close. Thank you. We'll close this item. And do we need to do a vote on items 2 through 6? No, right? Because there's study session items. Okay, perfect. We'll move on to item 8 council staff committee reports. Do any council members have anything for item eight? Council member reliever.

[06:26:22] Councilmember Sally Lieber: Thank you, Mayor. Um, you know, when we hit the the individuals who came to speak earlier under public comment, it it really reminded me of, you know, the way that I felt many times before I was on council the 1st time when you're not sure why folks aren't reacting or do they not hear you adequately or or whatever? And I know that there's going to be more coming on their, Their subject matter later. But, um, you know, recently we did have a change within the police department that, um, did impact on our transparency, and this was the decision to, um, encrypt communications that have historically been accessible. And, um, I know that we've made some announcements in social media as a city. Um, but I've received a lot of comments from the community that, um, well, the police department makes its own policy and the city council has no involvement in that. And, um, I know that other cities that have looked at this change are are now implemented it have had to come forward to city council. And I really feel strongly feel that that would be um, an important step for us as well. Um, and I, I don't know that, you know, I want to take a star poll or, you know, we've had a long night tonight. But I, I just think that it's something that we should, um, uh, think about and have the step of bringing it to council. And I know that, um, a number of us, uh, recently he had occasion to attend the memorial service for Fred Hirsch from the Plumbers Union. And he talked about his his long involvement with, uh, the UFW and the civil rights movement. And how important the scanners were as a tool for those movements, uh, as well as uh, anti-war movement and, um, other things, but it was a primary tool. Uh, for um, stopping and slowing racial injustices. And um, so I think this is a discussion to be continued. But something that has been this important historically to transparency. I think that we should not just um, put in the dustbin of history. And, you know, say it just went away and and counsel didn't, uh, say a word. And that's really been sticking in my crawl over these, these past weeks. And so that's why I'm bringing up under, um, item 8 and, um, Again, I know it's been a very long night with a lot of complexity. And um, I will uh, continue to bring it up again because I think it's of primary importance to the transparency of what we do as a city. So thank you.

[06:29:26] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you, council member Mattachek.

[06:29:31] Councilmember Lisa Matichak: Thank you. Just real quick. I participated in the Bosca Bay Area water supply and conservation agency. And um, We always get an update on the water situation in the Bay Area. And while, um, yeah, I haven't had a ton of rain. Um, Our reservoirs are 77% full, and on average they're 82% full. So, It's not bad. Um, but um, I guess I want to encourage people to continue to conserve. Because we don't know what's coming. Um, if anything. So um, it could be worse, but it's, you know, not bad, but continue to conserve. Um, and also, um, I listened in or watched the, uh, Monteloma working group meeting, uh, on, uh, perimeter security and. It was interesting. Thanks.

[06:30:39] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you, Council member Abby Koka. I said, hoping to get more of it. I can do that offline. Counselor I'm ready to check.

[06:30:48] Councilmember Margaret Abe-Koga: Um, I wanted to just report out on a couple of meetings. Um, this one happened a few weeks ago and I forgot to report it out, but for BTA. Um, I was excited. Uh, we received a city, our city, received uh, a little over $700,000 from 2016 measure refunds to expand our community shuttle. So that was great. Um, And then, um, there had been a lot of talk earlier about measure B funds moving forward and how they will be used and, um, some concern about, um, some projections that showed a lot of the funding going to BART. And so, um, the board has taken a step back and have worked on some guiding principles on how to, how that funding will be allocated. And, um, that will be, um, circulating through the various committees that, um, just a couple of points and those principles would be that, um, the language of the ballot measure will be followed. And, um, that there'll be investment in all 9 categories during the 10 year period, um, the various, the 9 categories that were, um, specified, including the local streets and roads category. So, um, I just wanted to kind of put a, uh, give you an update on that since that was such a controversial issue a few months back. And then with clean energy, um, we had a board meeting last week. Um, we continued to, um, purchase, um, resources and we, um, uh, purchased or went into approve, approved a power purchase agreement, uh, for a new solar battery storage resource um, for the next 15 years. Um, and this is adding to our portfolio. Um, we also received a clean audit report, uh, which was uh, for fiscal year 201920, which was um, very exciting. Um, and then it's something that I, you know, I think this is what hits our residents the most, um, uh, PG&E continues to increase their uh, rates, um, this fiscal year, um, and so clean energy then has to just its rates, generation rates accordingly. We have a policy to keep the SPCE generation rates lower than PG&E. So, um, we will be doing that, but in order to do that, we have to, um, actually, um, dip into our reserves and rest assured, we have reserves for, I think, 200 days on cash on hand. We've reached our targets or reserve funding, so it's not an issue now, but PG&E, depending on what PG&E does moving forward. There is always this threat, um, because we're tied to PG&E and what they do and we don't have a lot of say and how they adjust their rates. It does impact us basically. And I also wanted to mention that um, after last week's meeting, I went back to the our clean energy staff and asked about leaf blowers, um, and whether we could look at um, exploring an incentive program. Um, so, uh, SVCE staff will be in contact with our city staff, they said, to start talking about that because we are a regional body. We do need to get, you know, interest from other cities too. Um, but if there is, and I think there probably will be, we hope to be able to start some kind of incentive program. Thank you.

[06:34:25] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Thank you. Council member Michelle Walter.

[06:34:28] Councilmember Pat Showalter: Well, thank you. I attended a BCDC meeting and we talked about Bay Adapt, which is the planning study, regional planning study for sea level rise protection for the Bay Area as a whole, but I wanted to make a couple comments. One, I'm just delighted to hear that, uh, your report, Margaret, about the incentives for the leaf blowers. We had a carbon-free Mountain View general meeting last week and that was one of the major points of discussion. So they'll be really excited to hear that. And I wanted to let everybody know that the Waternow Alliance Summit is, um, I think it's April 6th through 8. I'll send you an email tomorrow about registering if anybody is interested. Um, and um, Then I wanted to follow up on what uh, uh, Lisa said. I've been, um, we've been measuring rainfall at our house ever since we moved in about 35 years ago. And um, this year, we have recorded the least we've ever recorded. We've only recorded a little over 5 inches. Normally we get about 17 inches in our house. And, um, so even though our water supply as a community may be okay because the vast majority of it comes from the Sierras. Um, the, the water that our, you know, our trees and our plants and stuff are getting locally is really, um, you know, has really been reduced. So think of your trees, you know, in particular, um, when you, when you're going to water something, because they, they really, um, are, uh, are, uh, designed to have that all that complete winter rain. And we've had a lot of dry years lately. So, That's it. Just consider the trees. Thanks, everybody. We've had a great night.

[06:36:12] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. Thank you. Council member Hicks.

[06:36:16] Councilmember Alison Hicks: So I wanted to 1st report that I had been hoping to report that I had gone to the Santa Clara Santa Cruise roundtable on airport noise, but it's been suspended and hopefully not indefinitely. So um, I hope to report back more positively in the future, but for right now, um, I can't do that. And then also I, uh, like council member Mattachek went to the Mona Loma working group, um, meeting and found it like she did very interesting. Thank you.

[06:36:52] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great, thank you so much. I feel like we're gonna need to all get notes on that video in that meeting. Um, all right. So I'm trying to recall if I had reported out on all these meetings that I attended last week, but I'm thinking that we went to such a late hour that I probably didn't. So, um, I attended the, um, VTA pack, uh, advisory committee, monthly meeting, uh, on the 11th, followed by our cities association, um, legislative action committee board meeting. Um, and last week, I attended our Czech finance um, committee meeting. I think I'm remembering everything this time. I just wanted to let everyone know. Um, About that. Great. Anything else for item 8? Great, seeing none. Move to item 9, our closed session report, city attorney shepherds. We have a closed session report.

[06:37:56] City Attorney Krishan Chopra: There's no close session report tonight.

[06:37:58] Mayor Ellen Kamei: Great. All right. Well, that will move us on to item 10, which is adjournment. So, uh, until we see you again, please stay safe, mask up, socially distance. So we'll adjourn at 1109 PM until the next city council meeting on April 13th, 2021. Thank you, everyone. Really appreciate it. Be well. Thanks.

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